azbackpackr wrote:One thing we can all tell you flatlanders, though, and that is how to SPELL Eagar..
joe bartels wrote:I'm kinda with you guys but you're gonna give Kurt a seizure.
I "think" his two main points are
A) You already pay taxes why are you being charged again?
B) Why develop anything? Close the entrance off all together, it cost less and it's more effective. It'll be less crowed. Less responsible people wouldn't bother entering either.
Maybe I'm way off, I haven't been studying my Kurt-o-omic handbook lately
Jeff MacE wrote:You missed my point. Making the trail more accessible makes finding the people who go out and get injured easier to locate and reach. They're going to go out an injury themselves (probably) anyway, why add to the confusion by forcing them into what would be the de-facto back country?
hikeaz wrote:Helicopter rescues of folks that are mobile, but a little 'cold' or who went out without illumination, especially from such places as Squaw Peak, Camelback and the like is reversing evolution, as these folks are not precluded from reproduction
te-wa wrote:hikeaz wrote:Helicopter rescues of folks that are mobile, but a little 'cold' or who went out without illumination, especially from such places as Squaw Peak, Camelback and the like is reversing evolution, as these folks are not precluded from reproduction
isnt that somethin' Kurt? scares the hell outta me man.
and the same thing could be said about cancer risk through inherited genetics, or bad eyesight, or other life threatening (ailments?) and diseases. In fact, ive said it before myself. We're going backwards as we present the notion of going forward...One of the simplest examples is the use of modern medicine on Navajo tribe members - while the infant mortality rate is lessened, and the overall health of the tribe is increased, now they suffer from overpopulation and food shortage, rampant unemployment and which can lead to drug use issues (alcohol included) Its a simple effect to understand, really.
The same revenge effect is true IMO about the fees for camping, rec. use, or other "reason" to double tax us Americans. Seems like Joe sarcastically touched on the idea, but I think yes it is easy for someone to trash a place. "i paid $5 for this here pass, let someone do their job and clean up after me"
Its almost and enabling fee.
well, you can also be lazy and let some kid retrieve your shopping cart too, after all, that is his job... but dont complain about high grocery prices to me!
(not that it increased the price of food too much, but you get the point. To a much larger extent the cost of food is directly related to Globalization given to us by - guess who - politicians (the folks that all want a better education for your child, while they suffer - and want to reduce the national debt - as it continues to grow - funny how they all bark about fixing this or that, and they are the sole perpetrators of the issues they argue against. AND NO PARTY in power is going to change. If it takes a stormtrooper style invasion of congress and the white house so we can rid our culture of these monsters and make an example of them, so be it. Jeff has a few rifles, Im sure he will let us borrow them.)
Id like to go into the Red Rocks wilderness office and dump a full trash bag on the counter, then tell them "look what I just picked up, Id like my $5 back, please"
man, reading posts like these really brings out my cynicism... But I see at least 10 people a day do very selfish, unreasonable acts that makes me remember what Perry Ferrel said once "some people should die... that's just unconscious knowledge"
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