This loop was tougher than a R2R hike but really worth it. I was tanked by the end of Rough Canyon but once on a trail I was good to go. I really liked the views from White Mountain and was surprised we found cairns in some remote areas. Joe pretty much summed up the hike and I would agree there would be no easy way to the ruins and they are not visible from below. There was more water in Rough Canyon than my 1st trip down so it was nicer and a little more difficult but very nice. Awesome hike guys.