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The Copper Camp Loop is an ugly beauty. The trail is worse than the off trail at times and most the elevation gain comes in two steep long slogs. We started at the Mormon Grove TH shortly after 7am. It was chilly but the hiking got the blood flowing so not too bad. The trails are decent closer the TH but fade and become overgrown the farther out you go. There were several cairns in parts but no obvious path so you just connect the dots. I think over the course of the loop we all hiked with everybody, somebody and nobody at different points in time. JJ3 went off to look for the cabin ruins near Sheep Creek and was going to catch up. We hiked up the creek a ways then the faint trail split off. I was wondering if he'd know which way to go a was looking back to see if I could see him at the junction below but never did.
It turns out 50/50 odds aren't bad and he caught up to us when we stopped to filter water. On the second climb (which was on Sheep Creek trail) I realized what an insightful and intelligent decision Richard made not wanting to take this loop.
The pace was slow at times and we rested a few times so the most of the group finished in the dark. After all the jabs, scrapes, blisters, bruises and duct tape it turned out to be a memorable trip. It was good to meet Richard, John J, Katrina & Fan and good to see John, Amy, Ken & Liz again. Thanks Ken for setting this trip up.