All I can say about this hike is WOW! What a gorgeous waterfall at the end. Took time for lunch and a swim. Water was a little cold this time of year, but I was able to warm up to it with time. The hike back out was more difficult than I would of imagined. I have done more elevation in less distance before, but this seemed more than what it really was. I think some of that has to do with the elevation change (I live in Phx). I would do this again in a heart beat.