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by big_load
Mar 15 2013 11:06 pm
Forum: Hiking 101
Topic: leave no trace
Replies: 139
Views: 15198

Re: leave no trace

Has anyone else noticed how snakes use an advantageous cairn?
by outdoor_lover
Mar 15 2013 10:07 am
Forum: Hiking 101
Topic: leave no trace
Replies: 139
Views: 15198

Re: leave no trace

Ah, I love a good debate.... :D The next time you all kick over a Cairn, all I ask is that you stop and think for a moment....

Who put it there and why? It may be stupid to you, but it may be serving a real purpose, including to Public Land Stewards...How do you know that that Cairn wasn't placed by someone 100 years ago and has historical significance??? The Cairn that you just kicked over may have been placed there by Jacob Waltz or one of the Reavis Clan. They certainly did not have the luxury of GPS or really cool Topo Maps....That Cairn may be a clue to something bigger from past history....

You ask, what gives me the right to build a Cairn on a Public Trail? Nothing. But it's not littering. I'm doing what Native Americans did 600 years ago and using available materials that nature has provided that marks something significant to me....Just like they did with their "graffiti"....Their trash was alot more permanent than mine will ever be....What gave those same Native Americans the right to build their "houses" on "public land"??? Alot of those "houses" are just oversized stacks of rocks and may have been unsightly to the neighbors and peoples traveling through. I'll bet there's not a person on this site that wouldn't excommunicate me if I walked up and kicked one of those walls over.... :o (Trust me people, that statement was made for sake of argument so just chill....)

I'm sure I will cause some indignation with this post, but just rendering an opinion, isn't that somewhat what some topics are for???
by SgtLumpy
Mar 15 2013 7:25 am
Forum: Hiking 101
Topic: leave no trace
Replies: 139
Views: 15198

Re: leave no trace

Rob del Desierto wrote:
That's why I'm a cairn kicker...
A cairn kicker am I, as well.


Sgt Lumpy - n0eq
by outdoor_lover
Mar 14 2013 11:18 pm
Forum: Hiking 101
Topic: leave no trace
Replies: 139
Views: 15198

Re: leave no trace

The Cairn debate could go on and on. All I can say is that it's the first and only time I have built a Cairn for "personal" use and it was far from a monolith... :sweat: I think I used 4 rocks. Am I "leaving a trace"? Well, yes I am. Am I impacting the environment? Ok, probably as much as plucking a ripe raspberry off a bush on a public trail....Am I littering? Well, I certainly did not haul the rocks in. Every rock was laying within 20 feet of my construction...The Cairn probably has either been kicked or toppled by now anyway. I have no GPS and even with my topo maps, which are showing an "aerial" view, things can look quite a bit different on the ground, when it's not a "prominent" area. I overshot that spot by 1/2 mile the first time I was there, with topo maps in hand. I was in a Canyon...With limited daylight and season, I don't feel like doing it again. I plan on going out there one more time and then if it makes you guys feel better, if the Cairn is still there, I'll remove it....That Cairn marked where I came out (my original plan for exiting the Trail too) and the area I explored and shared that day, and is worth building and a return trip to my original destination. I simply ran out of time that day or I wouldn't need to return....

Am I a Novice? Absolutely, when you look at the experience of 75% of the Hikers on this site. I've only been Hiking seriously for a little over a year and a half....There is still sooo much to learn and so many mistakes to make.... :sweat:
by ASUAviator
Mar 14 2013 10:53 pm
Forum: Hiking 101
Topic: leave no trace
Replies: 139
Views: 15198

Re: leave no trace

Outdoor Lover wrote:if you're a novice like me

:lol: Good one.

While I understand your point, I think they still qualify as litter since they were never naturally there in the first place. They let you know you are following in someones footsteps, especially on 'off-trail' hikes. And what comes after people start going cairn to cairn? A trail. They take alot away from the adventure people like me seek when looking for a remote place off-trail to explore. I wont say ALL cairns are bad, but like Rob said, 9/10 if not more are. There are ways around building cairns to remember a spot, Gps being the best or just a printed map of the area. And any non-novice hiker such as yourself is sure to have researched the trail/area and the features along it before heading out ;)
by PaleoRob
Mar 14 2013 10:21 pm
Forum: Hiking 101
Topic: leave no trace
Replies: 139
Views: 15198

Re: leave no trace

Outdoor Lover wrote:However, there are Cairns that are very useful and are put there for a purpose, such as lack of a defined Trail....Peak 3004 Loop is a perfect example. The Trail is virtually non-existent around the back side and if you're a novice like me that had no idea where I was at the time, it really helped and was really appreciated. :D

I think I would be a little dismayed if someone I was with starting kicking over Cairns that marked a designated Route...Yes, I have seen what appear to be a bunch of useless Cairns, but what may be useless to you and I, may be helping someone else remember a particular spot where they wanted to go off trail to a nice camp spot, or to mark a spot where they leave the Trail to find a reliable Water source, etc. etc....

I have built a "useless" Cairn, "useless" to everyone but me, to "mark" and help me remember where to leave the Trail for a certain area that I'm in the process of exploring....My memory may not be as good as other people's when it comes to that. Especially when I am not in the area more than a couple of times a year....
I'm not against useful cairns - the ones the mark the way around an obstacle in the path, or let hikers know where the trail is when it may be hard to find.
Cairns that are only useful to one person, or lead hikers away from the trail, are my boot targets. I understand exactly what you are saying but I disagree with leaving those cairns. If everyone built a cairn to mark their favorite spots then soon those spots would be overrun with people either looking for a nice spot or distracted from the main trail. Building a cairn to help remember a location doesn't seem like a good idea when there are plenty of natural landmarks pretty much everywhere - how can you expect to remember a cairn if you can't remember the bend in the canyon, the alcove, or the ledge near your turnoff? And what gives one person the right to build a cairn for their own personal use on a public trail?
by outdoor_lover
Mar 14 2013 9:33 pm
Forum: Hiking 101
Topic: leave no trace
Replies: 139
Views: 15198

Re: leave no trace

However, there are Cairns that are very useful and are put there for a purpose, such as lack of a defined Trail....Peak 3004 Loop is a perfect example. The Trail is virtually non-existent around the back side and if you're a novice like me that had no idea where I was at the time, it really helped and was really appreciated. :D

I think I would be a little dismayed if someone I was with starting kicking over Cairns that marked a designated Route...Yes, I have seen what appear to be a bunch of useless Cairns, but what may be useless to you and I, may be helping someone else remember a particular spot where they wanted to go off trail to a nice camp spot, or to mark a spot where they leave the Trail to find a reliable Water source, etc. etc....

I have built a "useless" Cairn, "useless" to everyone but me, to "mark" and help me remember where to leave the Trail for a certain area that I'm in the process of exploring....My memory may not be as good as other people's when it comes to that. Especially when I am not in the area more than a couple of times a year....
by PaleoRob
Mar 14 2013 9:10 pm
Forum: Hiking 101
Topic: leave no trace
Replies: 139
Views: 15198

Re: leave no trace

ASUAviator wrote:While were all ranting again, how bout them cairn builders?? No ones talked about the trace they leave. Personally im not for them, less so than a properly desposed of apple core ill never find.
That's why I'm a cairn kicker. I kick cairns of all shapes and sizes if they are useless. Some are useful for marking a path but 9/10 cairns I encounter (perhaps even higher in places like Cedar Mesa) are constructed by nabobs with no clue about where the trail is heading or where they should be build cairns in the first place.
by ASUAviator
Mar 14 2013 8:50 pm
Forum: Hiking 101
Topic: leave no trace
Replies: 139
Views: 15198

Re: leave no trace

While were all ranting again, how bout them cairn builders?? No ones talked about the trace they leave. Personally im not for them, less so than a properly desposed of apple core ill never find.

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