Not backpacking Columbus Day wknd

Day Hiking & general trail related

Moderator: HAZ - Moderators

Linked Guides none
Linked Areas none
Post Reply
User avatar
garyc57
Posts: 128
Joined: Mar 20 2010 7:30 am
City, State: Mesa, AZ

Not backpacking Columbus Day wknd

Post by garyc57 » Sep 10 2019 5:50 pm

Church youth group is planning a R2R the Friday & Saturday before Columbus Day. Straight through - no overnight. Heaven help them!

User avatar
chumley
Posts: 6931
Joined: Sep 18 2002 8:59 am
City, State: Tempe, AZ

Re: Not backpacking Columbus Day wknd

Post by chumley » Sep 10 2019 6:28 pm

@garyc57
Assuming those kids had to sign up, I hope the church has a special use permit in hand.
https://www.nps.gov/grca/learn/manageme ... MP_2602654
Highway to hell

User avatar
garyc57
Posts: 128
Joined: Mar 20 2010 7:30 am
City, State: Mesa, AZ

Re: Not backpacking Columbus Day wknd

Post by garyc57 » Sep 11 2019 11:51 am

@chumley
I apologize. I wasn't clear. We're driving them up on Friday, camping overnight outside the park boundary, getting them up Saturday morning at o'dark hundred, driving them to the North Kaibab trailhead, dropping them (and a few adult leaders) off, then driving around to the South Rim, and waiting for them to show up. One leader is estimating 13 hours.

User avatar
chumley
Posts: 6931
Joined: Sep 18 2002 8:59 am
City, State: Tempe, AZ

Re: Not backpacking Columbus Day wknd

Post by chumley » Sep 11 2019 12:18 pm

@garyc57
Yup. They need a special use permit for that.
Highway to hell

no avatar
sidhayes
Posts: 122
Joined: Feb 04 2002 10:17 am

Re: Not backpacking Columbus Day wknd

Post by sidhayes » Sep 11 2019 6:28 pm

@chumley
A special permit to cross rim to rim?

User avatar
chumley
Posts: 6931
Joined: Sep 18 2002 8:59 am
City, State: Tempe, AZ

Re: Not backpacking Columbus Day wknd

Post by chumley » Sep 11 2019 6:55 pm

@sidhayes
Yes.
Who is required to obtain a permit: Any organized, non-commercial or not-for-profit group conducting rim-to-rim and extended day hiking and running, including rim-to-river-to-rim, and rim-to-rim-to-rim that are operating in the inner canyon.
Organized Non-Commercial Groups are defined as any group traveling together, such as scouts, a club, a church, a meet up group, or a family/friend group that has created its own itinerary.
https://www.nps.gov/grca/learn/manageme ... MP_2602654
Highway to hell

no avatar
DixieFlyer
Posts: 124
Joined: Jan 07 2017 7:03 am
City, State: Fountain Hills, AZ

Re: Not backpacking Columbus Day wknd

Post by DixieFlyer » Sep 11 2019 7:40 pm

@chumley

Let's say that 10 people from HAZ decide to go on a R2R hike. It looks to me like they wouldn't need any sort of special permit, since the group size is less than 12 people. Am I missing something?

Organized Non-Commercial Groups are defined as any group traveling together, such as scouts, a club, a church, a meet up group, or a family/friend group that has created its own itinerary. Group size - 12-30 people.

User avatar
chumley
Posts: 6931
Joined: Sep 18 2002 8:59 am
City, State: Tempe, AZ

Re: Not backpacking Columbus Day wknd

Post by chumley » Sep 11 2019 7:50 pm

@DixieFlyer
I'm the wrong person to ask. I recommend contacting the NPS directly. Another page on their website states (my emphasis):
Any group, regardless of size, which has advertised to the general public, required individuals to sign up prior to participation, or that has an organizer who has been compensated for their services (including subsidized participation in the activity), is required to operate under a Special Use Permit.
https://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/ ... MP_2605676
Additionally, there's 6 pages of posts on this topic from about 5 years ago when the rule was implemented: [ New $175 Permit + $300K Ins: R2R and ... ike/Run ]
Highway to hell

User avatar
Paintninaz
Posts: 97
Joined: Feb 04 2002 9:20 am
City, State: Phoenix, AZ

Re: Not backpacking Columbus Day wknd

Post by Paintninaz » Sep 11 2019 8:41 pm

@garyc57
I sure hope these youth group participants have been well vetted for experience and capability. A R2R is not a typical walk in the park.
Paintninaz

User avatar
Mick
Posts: 33
Joined: Jun 05 2003 9:18 pm
City, State: Scottsdale, AZ

Re: Not backpacking Columbus Day wknd

Post by Mick » Sep 12 2019 3:12 am

So You don't need a Special Use Permit if your group is dis-organised...
AZMick

Post Reply

Return to “Trail Chat”


cron