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Thoughts on this eastern supes loop

Post by BRichard » Jan 06 2019 9:49 am

My daughter and I were planning on doing a loop in the eastern supes for MLK weekend. I was looking at starting at Rogers trough TH heading up and over the Reavis gap trail back down through West Pinto via campaign and pinto peak trail......Reavis Ranch is my obvious first nights destination, but can anyone recommend the second night? And has anyone hiked these trails recently that can vouch for their conditions?

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Re: Thoughts on this eastern supes loop

Post by big_load » Jan 06 2019 11:06 am

There is a good campsite where the Fireline Trail intersects Campaign.

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Re: Thoughts on this eastern supes loop

Post by nonot » Jan 06 2019 3:12 pm

If you do 8 miles to Reavis on day 1, I think that means you may want to push all the way to Pinto Creek for night 2, though, as is mentioned above, the camp at fireline and campaign is nice but will leave you with a hefty day 3 (for that site, bring water from further downstream though, it is typically dry near the camp.) There are several nice places I remember where Pinto meets Campaign near the corral.
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Re: Thoughts on this eastern supes loop

Post by BRichard » Jan 06 2019 3:55 pm

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Understood, thanks. Maybe I will stay the night at Reavis, and on day two make my way over to oak flat spring area? One other question. with all the rain, how do you think the road is up to Rogers Trough? Ive been there once before in my 2WD tundra with no issues...but it was dry as sa bone

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Re: Thoughts on this eastern supes loop

Post by nonot » Jan 07 2019 12:31 am

Looking at the distances, I think I traded a hefty day 3 for a hefty day 2. Going for the gap trail rather than fireline to connect to campaign is certainly going to add some miles. So big load's suggestion might be better than mine for how far you can realistically make it on day 2- there really isn't any campsites in between those 5 miles that I recall, at least, not any good ones.

An alternative might be to add 3 more miles on day 1 and camp near where the gap trail crosses pine creek. I like that spot.

I haven't been on that road to Roger's Trough in several years - from what I remember a bit of extra ground clearance was valuable in a few places. I would think a Tundra would be OK most of the time, but 2wd slightly concerns me for a January trip. Snow might be a problem on MLK weekend. You are pretty high in elevation and it does get snow at the Ranch most winters, so be prepared to turn around - don't take the chance you will slide off the slopes on the steep parts. Roger's trough is at about 5000 ft - which is the same as the peaks just east of town. If you see snow on Superstition Peak leaving town you will probably not be able to drive all the way to the TH safely.
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Re: Thoughts on this eastern supes loop

Post by BRichard » Jan 07 2019 8:56 am

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I guess I wasnt really clear, when i was speaking of shooting over to oak flat, i meant via fireline and cut out the extra miles shooting for the Gap trail.....Last time I was up to rogers trough was last year during the xmas holidays. The road was in very good shape, but i do remeber thinking to myself that it could get downright dangerous in snow/wet weather......good idea on looking at the mountains coming across phoenix. Im going to have to take a long hard look at the weather cause I dont want to put myself in the position of having to make the decision to try and drive out of there if we get weather while we are out. thanks again

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Re: Thoughts on this eastern supes loop

Post by Metalrunner » Jan 08 2019 4:20 pm

I'm a little confused as to what your original plan was/is but I can add my thoughts seeing I know that area pretty well. 1) There is water and camping possibilities at the junction of Reavis Gap and Campaign trails. 2) You might consider starting your trip from Miles Ranch TH, I was in there last April pulling a small travel trailer with a Tacoma. 3) If you make a loop out of W. Pinto, Campaign, Fire Line, Reavis, Roger's Trough and W. Pinto you are looking at 26 miles. 4) W. Pinto, Campaign, Fire Line, Reavis, Reavis Gap, Campaign and W. Pinto puts you at 30 miles.

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Re: Thoughts on this eastern supes loop

Post by big_load » Jan 08 2019 7:00 pm

Metalrunner wrote:You might consider starting your trip from Miles Ranch TH
That would make it like this trip, which was fun. The first and last days were tough.

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Re: Thoughts on this eastern supes loop

Post by BRichard » Jan 09 2019 1:06 pm

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so my original idea was to start at rogers trough, and hike to Reavis ranch the first day. the second day make my up Reavis gap trail heading towards Campaign Trail. Then take campaign to Pinto Peak Trail and back to rogers trough via West Pinto Trail.......Then I decide to shorten the trip a bit since my daughter will be with me and instead using the Gap trail, just head over via the Fire Line Trail...


My trip would look something like this

Day1 Rogers Trough -> Reavis Ranch - 6.8 miles
Day2 Revis Ranch -> Oak Flat via Fireline/Pinto Peak - 8.2 miles Is their reliable water at Oak Flat?
Day3 Oak Flat -> Rogers trough via West Pinto 6.2 miles

total mileage - 21.2 approx

my biggest wildcard here is the road to the TH.

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Re: Thoughts on this eastern supes loop

Post by SuperstitionGuy » Jan 09 2019 4:42 pm

The road up to Rogers Trough has been improved so much that we have stopped talking about it in the forum for road conditions. I would believe you could drive it now as there has not been any major rain storm in the area to damage the surface. Just plan on having a plan B in case there is a major storm before you depart. Also give us a condition report after your trip. It will be cold at night so be prepared. I once saw the temperature at 11 degrees at the ranch house.
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Re: Thoughts on this eastern supes loop

Post by big_load » Jan 09 2019 6:54 pm

BRichard wrote: Is their reliable water at Oak Flat?
Not that I know of. That was too close to my start/end point to research carefully, but I recall Oak Flat as a rocky confluence of dry creek beds with some decent campsites and a big corral.

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Re: Thoughts on this eastern supes loop

Post by Metalrunner » Jan 10 2019 8:57 am

My experience with Oak Flat tells me there is no reliable water. I have seen the creek raging, dry as a bone and everything in between. However, down stream (within a mile?) there is probably dependable water, where I have seen tiny fish in pools. May be worth taking a day trip out there to scout out your options.

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Re: Thoughts on this eastern supes loop

Post by bretinthewild » Jan 17 2019 4:36 pm

I was in this area for a backpack in early December. We did an out-and-back from Miles TH the entire way on West Pinto and over to Rogers Trough.

A few thoughts. You probably have seen this but the hike up West Pinto back to Rogers Trough is no joke. It's all uphill until you get up and over Iron Mountain. So be ready for that.

We camped at what might be a decent spot for you if you want to cut off a few miles and feet of elevation on your final day.

There's a small tucked away (little used, looked like) campsite on West Pinto where the HAZ map says "Crockett Spring". We found water there.

We also camped at Oak Flat on our way out to Miles and there was a lot of water pooled up there in the creek.

However, it had rained the day before we hiked in, enough so my 2WD SUV couldn't make it on the Miles TH road, so I'm not sure if the water levels on West Pinto are typical or not.

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