Guns Laws across state lines and into a NP?

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Guns Laws across state lines and into a NP?

Post by Jim_H » Jul 02 2010 10:00 am

So if I went to Glacier, is it legal to borrow a friends gun to have with me? I believe in AZ I don't need a permit or any kind of registration, so he can give me a gun and I can drive around with it and carry it free of fear of legal trouble. What about if I cross state lines and go through Utah, Idaho, and Montana, what then? In the Park, I can carry in the back country with out issues, right, it goes by your home states laws, so I wouldn't need a permit in the park, right?
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Re: Guns Laws across state lines and into a NP?

Post by PaleoRob » Jul 06 2010 7:36 am

Al_HikesAZ wrote:
Jim_H wrote:Is a .45 small? Golly gee, I thought that was a good size.
Bears have thick skulls and dense bones. Even a .45 bullet can bounce off the skull or deflect off a bone and miss the vital organs.
Another point about this - the .45 is not a terribly good round ballistics-wise. Couple that with the short muzzle you have on a handgun, and the velocity of your bullet drops. Lower speed = lower kinetic energy = less damage and less distance. There is a reason why most people don't hunt bears with a handgun (even that crazy guy I saw on youtube with a .400 Nitro Express handgun). Rifles are going to be more of a "sure shot" - higher velocity and greater range and accuracy. Maybe not reasonable to tote around a rifle, you think, but there's a reason why a rifle, not a handgun, is standard issue on scientific expeditions to polar bear country.
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Re: Guns Laws across state lines and into a NP?

Post by PLC92084 » Jul 06 2010 8:04 am

A 44 magnum, using 300 or 310 grain bullets would yield adequate stopping power for most North American mammals, Bear included. While not exactly, light, a pistol is more portable than a rifle. Getting one into a NP is probably easier than a rifle, even with the new law that went into effect this year. I haven't tried bringing in a rifle so if someone tries (without a hunting permit) please update...

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Re: Guns Laws across state lines and into a NP?

Post by Jeffshadows » Jul 06 2010 12:47 pm

You're much better off with the spray against a bear. Ask an NPS Ranger if he would spray a bear or try to shoot it...don't take my word for it.
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Re: Guns Laws across state lines and into a NP?

Post by Jeffshadows » Jul 06 2010 12:48 pm

PageRob wrote:
Al_HikesAZ wrote:
Jim_H wrote:Is a .45 small? Golly gee, I thought that was a good size.
Bears have thick skulls and dense bones. Even a .45 bullet can bounce off the skull or deflect off a bone and miss the vital organs.
Another point about this - the .45 is not a terribly good round ballistics-wise. Couple that with the short muzzle you have on a handgun, and the velocity of your bullet drops. Lower speed = lower kinetic energy = less damage and less distance. There is a reason why most people don't hunt bears with a handgun (even that crazy guy I saw on youtube with a .400 Nitro Express handgun). Rifles are going to be more of a "sure shot" - higher velocity and greater range and accuracy. Maybe not reasonable to tote around a rifle, you think, but there's a reason why a rifle, not a handgun, is standard issue on scientific expeditions to polar bear country.
I'm not going to get into this on this forum but one tour in the sandbox carrying a Beretta 92F was enough to make me switch to .45 and never, ever look back at 9mm. :M2C:
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Post by Jim_H » Jul 06 2010 1:58 pm

Before we all start making gun recommendations, I remind the HAZ community that I'm borrowing, not buying.
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Post by joebartels » Jul 06 2010 2:36 pm

Borrow a Canon and stun 'em with the flash
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Post by Jeffshadows » Jul 06 2010 5:11 pm

Look into the spray.
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Post by PaleoRob » Jul 06 2010 5:39 pm

jeffmacewen wrote:I'm not going to get into this on this forum but one tour in the sandbox carrying a Beretta 92F was enough to make me switch to .45 and never, ever look back at 9mm. :M2C:
Oh, I'm not touting 9mm, 10mm, or anything else. Just simply stating that .45 is not the best ballistics-wise. As you say, though, maybe not the forum.

Rifle may not be as easy or as portable as a handgun, but it does have other advantages that a handgun doesn't. That is all I am saying.
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