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The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by hddan » Nov 20 2005 5:29 pm

I'd appreciate some sound advice on a new sleeping bag.
I'd like to get a smaller-packing 3-season bag for this winter's desert hiking. My 0 degree Marmot is just overkill for my new smaller pack.
What do you ultralight folks prefer?

I've been looking at the following:

Western Mountaineering Ultralight
Western Mountaineering Apache Super DryLoft
Marmot Helium and Helium EQ (water resistant down bag and pricey)
Golite Feather
North Face Hightail 900

Let's pretend that money is not the main concern. I'm thinking about quality, light weight, and low bulk.

Thanks for your opinions.

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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by butler » Jul 19 2010 8:32 am

Backpacking Light magazine can be helpful.

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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by azbackpackr » Jul 19 2010 12:19 pm

Yes, and their website, too. I need to do some research for sure.
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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by te_wa » Jul 19 2010 3:24 pm

bags are out.
quilts save weight.
there is a slight learning curve, but you will find a quilt is more like a comforter at home.
check http://tewaunderquilts.webs.com/apps/we ... ow/1535774 for an idea of what quilts look like
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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by nonot » Jul 19 2010 7:56 pm

Another vote for the Montbell UL Superstretch. I have the #4. It is a great bag. Accurate rating. Taken it down to 28 degrees (about 10 degrees below its rating), I was definitely cold but I survived. It's perfect at 38-50 degrees.
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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by azbackpackr » Jul 20 2010 4:56 am

Te-wa, I am gonna have to try a hammock out before buying one.

And as for sleeping on the ground, a bag has to zip up and I have to be able to be entirely cocooned with the hood and drawstring, if it is a cold night.
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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by joebartels » Jul 20 2010 10:10 am

I think you'd have a difficult time finding conditions in Arizona to get cold in a Marmot Helium

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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by azbackpackr » Jul 20 2010 11:31 am

joe bartels wrote:Beware, Squirrel blanky man could sell an Eskimo a bag of ice
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Post by writelots » Jul 20 2010 2:46 pm

joe bartels wrote:Beware, Squirrel blanky man could sell an Eskimo a bag of ice
Not to mention talking a tortoise into hanging from a tree...
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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by big_load » Jul 20 2010 3:02 pm

te-wa wrote:bags are out.
quilts save weight.
For most AZ trips in the seasons that HAZ folks do them, I would use a quilt, too. It just doesn't cover my winter needs.

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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by te_wa » Jul 20 2010 4:48 pm

yes alex, the cutoff for most quilts is 20° rating. i would prefer a bag, with a hood, in a shelter, and proper site selection for lower than 15... but, i have taken a hammock to 14.6 using a 35 degree top quilt wearing montbell alpine light jacket and down inner pants. my feet got cold, i then purchased http://www.goosefeet.webs.com booties.

liz, you can be a ground sleeper and still use quilts. mine have removable straps to hold tight to a pad. leave them at home when hanging. wanna bag of ice?
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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by azbackpackr » Jul 20 2010 5:34 pm

:D Hey, I am still broke...just waitin' for the student funding to come in. (Then I have a lot of bills to pay...)
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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by hikeaz » Jul 21 2010 8:48 am

Western Mountaineering is generally credited with having the best bags and they are made (or at least assembled) in the USA as well. But like anything 'best', one will pay a premium. This is one item where I WILL pay this premium. No one who wakes up shivering at 3AM is thinking 'Gee, look how much money I saved on this bag'. I use a 10 year old, 2 pound WM Ultralite that was rated @ 25 degree when new, it's been washed countless times and STILL keeps me warm down to 20 - I am NOT a warm sleeper either. I also have a WM Dakota for the ultracold stuff.
I'd say that the 15 degree Marmot Helium is likely comparable to this as well.
I feel that the 20 degree bag, although overkill in some instances, allows the widest range of use while still being light.
Note: the 'lite' suffix bags from WM and most others makers superlight bags are generally narrow; be certain to investigate the girth at the shoulders & knees to ascertain that it will be sufficient for YOU. Being snug is good (not as much air to heat up) but if is too confining you will decrease the insulating qualities as you stretch the bag tight; you will also likely feel claustrophobic.

I have a brand new, never used, with tags & receipt, 6' length Marmot Helium (800 fill) for sale - I'll sell it for 10% less than the best price you can find on-line.
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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by azbackpackr » Jul 21 2010 12:16 pm

What is 6' length? Is that for a tall person? I am a short person, so it may be more than I need.
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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by big_load » Jul 21 2010 12:28 pm

oops, never mind.

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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by big_load » Jul 21 2010 12:30 pm

azbackpackr wrote:What is 6' length? Is that for a tall person? I am a short person, so it may be more than I need.
That's the standard men's length.

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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by hikeaz » Jul 21 2010 12:38 pm

azbackpackr wrote:What is 6' length? Is that for a tall person? I am a short person, so it may be more than I need.
It means that it fits a person up to 6'. Marmot makes two lengths - up to 6' (regular), and 6'1 to 6'6" (long).
If you are under about 5'6" it may make sense to seek out a women's bag or buy a brand that sells a 'short' version - I don't think that Marmot does - someone else may know this for sure.
A shorter person in a full-sized bag leaves too much air space to heat up and keep heated, not to mention that they'd be carrying unnecessary weight.
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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by joebartels » Jul 21 2010 12:44 pm

With extra space you can store things by your feet that you do not want to freeze. If you're thin skinned (ie:fraley) put boiled water in a water bottle at your feet and it'll keep you warm all night. You can also scrunch down into the bag and over fold the extra as your pillow.
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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by hikeaz » Jul 21 2010 12:56 pm

joe bartels wrote:With extra space you can store things by your feet that you do not want to freeze. If you're thin skinned (ie:fraley) put boiled water in a water bottle at your feet and it'll keep you warm all night. You can also scrunch down into the bag and over fold the extra as your pillow.
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Re: The "perfect" sleeping bag

Post by azbackpackr » Jul 21 2010 1:22 pm

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'Round here
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