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I've not done any sections of the San Francisco. I have done two sections of the Gila. One in Arizona (Old Safford Bridge to near Safford with a layover day for hike up Eagle Creek) and once in New Mexico (Nichols Canyon to Cottonwood Canyon). The AZ section is spectacular - we had 850 - 1,000 cfs in March of last year, but it's pretty bony right now (I was there over Thanksgiving but didn't launch). The NM section is also good, but not as remote or deep as the section in AZ. I don't think you'll find enough water in either of those in January, but watch the gauges.Bendboater wrote:... Have the San Francisco/Gila and Verde rivers on our list of strong possibilities.
Why Didn't I think of that? Seriously, I don't think the permit was "wasted" as my last partner was injured within a week of our launch date & refusing the trip would not have placed it back into the next follow up lottery (in other words the trip couldn't have been made available for anyone else at that point). Thus even the ridiculously short solo trip I completed was a great introduction for me - better than not going at all. I didn't complete the whole thing simply because I didn't have the nerve. No pride here.azbackpackr wrote:Whoa, wasted a Grand Canyon river permit taking out at Soap? Why not do the whole thing and do a lot of side hikes?
hikeaz wrote:I believe that short-trip packrafting on the Colorado in the GCNP can be done with merely a backcountry (backpacking) permit - I believe that the limit is/was 5? (river) miles- mix-an-match of mile(s) is OK.
That's grim.....and, for instance, to float down from Hance to C.C. would have been a bit to far to qualify as well; though it seems that if a river-CROSSING is involved it's a little easier sledding, permit-wise. It seems that the 'system' is set up to disallow logical, 'fun', itineraries and allow (maybe) more utilitarian ones.rcorfman wrote: ↑Dec 13 2017 12:17 am@hikeaz
Packrafting isn't allowed in GCNP when there is a reasonable overland trail/route to use. For example, a buddy put in for a permit to hike out to Clear Creek, then packraft back to Bright Angel. He wasn't allowed the packrafting part, so we had to hike both out and back.
II. 36 CFR Section 1.6 - Activities that Require a Permit
2.10(a) - Camping Activities:
River crossings incidental to a backcountry hiking permit are allowed under the following conditions:
• Only the minimal amount of river travel necessary to gain the hiking terrain of the opposite shore is permitted
• Multiple crossings are approved if the permitted itinerary requires them
• Backcountry permits involving such crossings will only be issued for backcountry use areas that are immediately adjacent (across the river) from one another
• If proposed crossings for a given itinerary result in five or more miles of travel upon the water, a private river trip is required
• The five mile limit applies to same side, river-level hikes for which entry into the river is necessary in order to navigate around terrain that prohibits travel by foot.