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GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Feb 24 2011 8:05 pm
by azbackpackr
Well, chalk it up to beginners luck. I put in for the lottery to get a private permit to raft the Grand Canyon in 2012. Some of you are probably familiar with the process. Anyway, newbies have 5 chances to win, whereas if you have been down the river recently you get only one chance. Anyway, I put in, and I won! My launch date is to be Sept. 20, 2012. I know, that's 19 months from now!

Well, I guess I will be talking about this from time to time. I have a main boatman already, and he'll invite some of his friends. There is room for a total of 16 people. It's a 21 day trip, with option to extend it beyond Diamond Creek to Pearce Ferry, to make it into closer to 30 days. Shared expenses, etc. We'll have more details as time goes on as to shared costs. There likely will be room for a few non-rowers.

I can't believe it! I'm already signed up for river guide school in May, so I hope to be learning something about how to do this over the next year and a half. I'm not too worried since I will have friends to help me with the logistics.

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Feb 24 2011 8:18 pm
by Sun_Ray
Good things happen to good people!

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Feb 24 2011 8:31 pm
by azbackpackr
Aw! Thanks!

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Feb 24 2011 8:57 pm
by PaleoRob
I have a raft, will travel...hint hint...;)

Seriously, congrats! That is freaking awesome!

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Feb 24 2011 9:01 pm
by azbackpackr
Yes, I thought of you! Will be in touch.

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Feb 24 2011 9:29 pm
by chumley
Congrats! ... I don't have a raft, but I've been rafting before, and I'm good at rowing.... ;)

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Feb 25 2011 5:32 am
by azbackpackr
Oh, they are coming out of the woodwork! ;)

This thing is 19 months off, and I have a trip leader who I will defer to in decisions of boatmen. We have to have several experienced boatmen who have run that river before, (or similar river, such as Middle Fork of Salmon) who also have boats. Then we can add a few passengers. Boats and gear can also be rented. Anything we rent will probably be from Moenkopi River Works, here in Flag. We may have them cater it for us, too.

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Feb 25 2011 8:53 am
by autumnstars
Congrats!
You are sure to have a blast.

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Feb 25 2011 2:42 pm
by desertgirl
Awesome !

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Feb 25 2011 7:04 pm
by azbackpackr
I now have a bargaining chip for a 2011 summer river trip. If I can go on your summer 2011 Canyon river trip, you can go on my 2012 trip. I have already posted this on GCPBA, so am hoping for a response.

Looks like we have about 3 boatmen who are interested in going in 2011. I have never in my life planned something so far off in time! And I used to think that having to put in 4 months in advance for a GC backpacking permit was a long time!

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Feb 25 2011 7:22 pm
by PLC92084
Way to go, Liz! While you're at it, go buy some lottery tickets...

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Feb 25 2011 8:07 pm
by azbackpackr
:D Now, there's a thought!

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Feb 26 2011 10:20 am
by writelots
So exciting Liz! I had to give my dreams of riding the river this year - I'm glad your dreams ended up with a victory! Awesome! :y:

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Feb 26 2011 2:21 pm
by azbackpackr
Well, this is for next year, but I am hoping to trade a spot in next year's trip for one on a 2011 trip this summer.

After seeing how this works I definitely would not go commercial except as an employee. It is just too expensive. If you have the permit, the boatmen will flock to your door. The hard part is the logistics of gear and food for 3 weeks. And ensuring that the cost is equitable, etc., etc., that you keep track of the funds properly. I am taking a class in how to do that in May, but also have a friend to help me with it.

You can also hire an outfitter to help you with whatever gear you don't have, and do your catering for you. There are a lot of ways to do it. Anyway, I'm told that for a 30 day trip from Lee's Ferry to Pearce Ferry will cost around $800 to $1000 per person, or thereabouts. The actual permit goes for 21 days, taking out at Diamond Creek, but then we have the option to extend it to Pearce Ferry.

Another thing I am doing is focusing on taking classes, joining clubs, networking, and also looking for a summer job as a driver for a river company. I actually will be on the part-time driver list for one company, it looks like--they said they will send me my schedule in a couple of weeks. Or, I might go to Colorado after taking the river guide class, and see about getting on the Arkansas River as a driver/swamper/guide, or whatever.

Although it may be easier living in Flag to find out about these things, it is still a lot of work and time to get all the info, take the classes, apply for the jobs, meet people, etc.

One good source is GCPBA, Grand Canyon Private Boaters Association. There is a Tucson club that does a lot of easy rivers: Southern Arizona Paddlers' Club.

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Mar 20 2011 5:19 am
by azbackpackr
Well, putting this to the top of the pile again, I am still looking for a summer trip for THIS summer, using my 2012 trip as a bargaining chip. So, if you hear of anyone who needs a passenger and a boatman (or just a passenger--me), for a 2011 June or July launch, please let me know. We may try to get in on a cancellation as well. Apparently there are often cancellations on private trips, sometimes at the very last minute. The Park Service will let the permit holder substitute one person for another up to the last day, as long as the new person pays an extra fee to the Park. However, the rules do NOT allow a private permit holder to add on a person at the last minute unless there has been a cancellation.

Whoever lets me on their trip can go on my trip. Of course, I will chip in funding and work, and would expect the same in return.

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Mar 20 2011 8:27 pm
by KwaiChang
Wow Liz - way too cool - GOOD LUCK in finding your 2011 trip - I agree with PLC - BUY those lottery tixs!!! :y:

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Mar 20 2011 8:54 pm
by azbackpackr
:D

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Apr 27 2011 10:21 am
by azbackpackr
Fingers and toes crossed, said my prayers, supplicated to the gods, or whatever, that I may have found myself a private GC river trip invitation for THIS summer. (Remember, my own private permit is in 2012.) You can go only one time per year (whether as commercial passenger or on a private trip) UNLESS you are a rafting company employee.

Ok, so I am going to find out about this later today, most likely. So, if you also do supplications, prayers, or finger and toe-crossing exercises, put in a good word for me, wouldja please? :)

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Apr 27 2011 10:51 am
by Alston_Neal
I'm burning incense to the rafting Gods.

Re: GC river trip lottery--I won!!!

Posted: Apr 27 2011 11:54 am
by azbackpackr
Alston Neal wrote:I'm burning incense to the rafting Gods.
:worthy: :thanx: