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Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 08 2019 8:27 pm
by chumley
Burning near Woodbury Trailhead. It has grown to 500 acres. I'll post official links as soon as they're up.

The smoke plume does not look good.

Inciweb

Updated 2019-07-16 123,875 Acres - 100% Contained
[ Woodbury Fire Perimeter :: map ]

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 17 2019 3:57 pm
by LindaAnn
@hondah35 I’m talking about fires in the deserts and lower elevations, not pine forests. White Tanks, Estrellas, McDowells, west side of Picketpost, north of Cave Creek, etc, they’ve all burned. Can hardly tell now. Vegetation burns, then something grows back. Those mountains have burned before, and they’ll burn again, but it’s no different than anywhere else that has burned. It’ll all recover in some way. This one is just drawing more attention because it’s a popular area.

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 17 2019 4:50 pm
by SpiderLegs
Must be a big one, I could see the smoke plume from my neighborhood in NW Tucson.

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 17 2019 5:04 pm
by chumley
@SpiderLegs
You don't say? ](*,)

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 17 2019 6:53 pm
by Grimey
Smoke plume from my office. :(

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 18 2019 7:09 am
by DixieFlyer
Here is an interesting article about the Rio Fire of 1995, and the ensuing recovery in the desert

https://apeekatthepeak.org/rio-fire-rem ... ly-7-1995/

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 18 2019 8:36 am
by LindaAnn
@DixieFlyer Thanks for the link. Good read. Seems like everything bounced back quickly, even though the first few years afterward were very dry. Obviously the saguaros will take longer, but it sounds like they are at the level you would expect at this many years out. Interesting that the human restoration efforts were mostly unsuccessful. Best to just let nature do its thing.

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 18 2019 8:48 am
by DixieFlyer
LindaAnn wrote:
Jun 18 2019 8:36 am
@DixieFlyer Seems like everything bounced back quickly, even though the first few years afterward were very dry. Obviously the saguaros will take longer...Interesting that the human restoration efforts were mostly unsuccessful. Best to just let nature do its thing.
True. Other than saguaros, in the desert I think that plants will regrow much faster than what many people think....and some plant species need fire for their seeds to germinate

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 18 2019 9:09 am
by chumley
DixieFlyer wrote:some plant species need fire for their seeds to germinate
I’m curious as to which native Sonoran desert plants need fire for seeds to germinate. Or did this discussion suddenly turn to a totally different type of ecosystem?

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 18 2019 11:05 am
by chumley
The progression map showing yesterday's growth was published an hour ago and shows that the fire burned the top of Malapais Mountain yesterday and entered the Reavis Valley, burning Mound Mountain and across the fireline trail. It would be nice if they are able to keep it from dropping down into Campaign Creek and spreading farther east...

Nearly the entire 7 mile section of the AZT from Rogers Trough TH to the north end of the Reavis Valley is within the current fire perimeter.

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 18 2019 11:06 am
by Tough_Boots
It also depends on how the fire effects the water table, aquifer, the ability for wildlife to return and thrive, etc. The long term effects are likely somewhere on the scale between "fine" and "catastrophic" in a zone many not driven to speculation refer to as "too soon to tell".

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 18 2019 11:12 am
by big_load
Tough_Boots wrote:
Jun 18 2019 11:06 am
It also depends on how the fire effects the water table, aquifer, the ability for wildlife to return and thrive, etc. The long term effects are likely somewhere on the scale between "fine" and "catastrophic" in a zone many not driven to speculation refer to as "too soon to tell".
One thing nobody has commented on are the springs. Elsewhere in AZ, fires have dried up springs for extremely long periods, at least on a human time scale.

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 18 2019 11:41 am
by joebartels

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 18 2019 12:06 pm
by pixelfrog
@big_load agreed this could fundamentally change the hydrology of the Supes, and people’s ability to hike it with fewer reliable water sources.

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 18 2019 12:12 pm
by tibber
looks like it's at Reavis Ranch

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 18 2019 12:58 pm
by ALMAL
@tibber
Have lived here 12 years now and only made my first trip for apples last year, glad I made two trips last year.

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 18 2019 1:57 pm
by LosDosSloFolks
@tibber
I was there only once to see the apple trees, (1972 w/the Boy Scouts), and it left me with a clear memory to this day. Sad to hear it's burning.

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 18 2019 2:14 pm
by big_load
LosDosSloFolks wrote:I was there only once to see the apple trees,
I could never get any sleep near the orchard because of the deer being so curious about my tent and the apples attracting so many deer.

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 18 2019 2:18 pm
by ALMAL

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 18 2019 2:30 pm
by hondah35
chumley wrote:The progression map showing yesterday's growth was published an hour ago and shows that the fire burned the top of Malapais Mountain yesterday and entered the Reavis Valley, burning Mound Mountain and across the fireline trail. It would be nice if they are able to keep it from dropping down into Campaign Creek and spreading farther east...
I wish I was wrong but I don't think there is any active firefighting going on in the wilderness. No fire crews and I don't believe any fire retardant has been dropped in the wilderness. I believe most of the retardant has been dropped on the southwest flank south of Fraser Canyon to keep it from running toward the southwest. The Rogers Canyon cliff dwellings and Circlestone were listed as assets to be protected but I'm not convinced anything has been done even to protect these areas. It's just too remote and even though they are not saying it they appear to be managing this fire in line with the guidelines of the Wilderness Act.

Re: Woodbury Fire - Superstition Wilderness

Posted: Jun 18 2019 2:38 pm
by LindaAnn
Image of the 9:00am update. Looks like they are making some effort to protect the orchard and some owls.