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, most AZ wildernesses are pretty bad examples of a wilderness. In a very simply way the wilderness, with respect to southwest forests, is a place where the forces of nature trump the forces of man. Or, in other words, man is not the primary agent to influence the wilderness. However, without ever talking about current fire exclusion, even prior to White European's arrivals on the continent, the wilds of Arizona were under the influence of man. "Native" man previously had a large level of influence by various actions including setting fires in forests for a number of purposes. After European Man arrived, the intensity of disturbance increased with grazing and over grazing, logging, and then fire exclusion. The result, is that in many of our so called wilderness areas, the forest is anything but what would have existed in 1800, prior to settlement of Arizona by large numbers of white Europeans, even if native had not burned the wilds.“A wilderness, in contrast with those areas where man and his own works dominate the landscape, is hereby recognized as an area where the earth and its community of life are untrammeled by man, where man himself is a visitor who does not remain.”
Unless you need specific conditions to have a fire move through an area and burn a lot of brush that otherwise will not burn or carry fire in periods that are not as conducive. You can burn cured fine fuels like grass almost year round. You can not get a fire to move very well in brushy fuels like mountain mahogany, shrub oaks, cliff rose, with a minimal fine fuel matrix and open areas of bare ground between. Grasslands in the SW have been heavily replaced by shrub lands. In some areas they are gone for good, replaced by mesquite and desert scrub.dude wrote:"
The only rational (though illegitimate) argument for propagating a Sky Island “Wildfire” during the hottest and driest month of the year is if your getting paid for it.
Plus an earlier reply--- although you are the perfect foil for me-- I actually appreciate the rudeness and arrogance you display at times. Perhaps making fun is too light of it. You have your opinions and appear to stand by them however offensive they are, to me at this time. Please continue to post your beliefs as I think it helps draw attention to this whole forest service/pay scenario. So, I thank you.You really just don't know what you are talking about. I typically don't care, but ignorance should not be used to influence policy. We have far too much of that in this country.
The original above, and the update below:Letty, you are not currently rational enough to have a conversation on this subject or for this area. On that point, I agree with you.
Thank you Joe, for the "Ignore" feature. It saves me from having to have stitches from biting my tongue.Jim_H wrote:You really just don't know what you are talking about. . . .