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In lieu of overturning wilderness laws, decommissioning the majority of the southern AZ Public lands + wildernesses and scraping them off. Wouldn't there be less global warming and just a whole lot easier for everyone even make you more comfortable if you were to live to in a part of the world not cluttered by “joke” Forests? The Gobi or Antarctic may give you that clean slate, open feel you advocate. All opposed; link is proof of virtual carpet bombing fire on the Galiuros.Jim_H wrote:Unless you need specific conditions to have a fire move through an area and burn a lot of brush that otherwise will not burn or carry fire in periods that are not as conducive. You can burn cured fine fuels like grass almost year round. You can not get a fire to move very well in brushy fuels like mountain mahogany, shrub oaks, cliff rose, with a minimal fine fuel matrix and open areas of bare ground between. Grasslands in the SW have been heavily replaced by shrub lands. In some areas they are gone for good, replaced by mesquite and desert scrub.dude wrote:"
The only rational (though illegitimate) argument for propagating a Sky Island “Wildfire” during the hottest and driest month of the year is if your getting paid for it.
Maybe this fire is not the spearhead of a campaign by greedy 1039 FS seasonals, hell bent on raking in the lucrative federal fat, but is instead a calculated decision to manage a forest that is largely unmanaged, heavily exploited, very degraded ecologically, and would benefit greatly from increased fire reintroduction? Everyone cries when a Aspen or a Florida, or a Horseshoe 1 and 2 happen, but those were all inevitable, and will happen again, and again. The only good thing, would be to have them more frequently. Mount Lemmon needs another fire, as do the Santa Ritas. It needs to come sooner, not later, but that will not happen.
Since it was stated elsewhere that I make fun of people for being ignorant, I shall say for the record, that at no point did I make fun of any members, while posting in this thread.
Also from Jim_H
"“most Arizona wilderness areas are a joke, and should not be managed as Wildernesses. They are too small and degraded to be true wilderness, and need management to function properly.”
Last Friday I just happened to have finished up a hike on Mt.Lemmon when the FS was conducting their Oak Fire news media briefing at Aspen Vista. I stopped by and asked Heidi Schewel (Communications Staff Officer for the Coronado) specifically about Power's Garden and whether or not it was inside or outside of the planned burn area. She replied that she was familiar with Power's Garden but did not know the answer to my question, but would find out. I doubt if my question alone had any impact but every squeaky wheel helps, such as your recent visit to the FS office.RedRoxx44 wrote:@SkyIslandHiker
I wonder if the FS is getting a lot of input...
Re: The Galiuros are burning
Postby Jim_H » Jun 29 2014 09:30 pm
Jim_H wrote:The original above, and the update below:Letty, you are not currently rational enough to have a conversation on this subject or for this area. On that point, I agree with you.
I stand by that, and it is not an insult. In fact, if someone wanted to play the victim of insults, I could, based on your continued repeated attacks of name calling and liable by stating motivations based purely on money, when directed at forest managers. You were not rational, at all. Your posts calling people jerks, and telling me to see how I feel when my house burns down confirmed this. I posted telling you to calm down and stop being so emotional, with quoted texts from inciweb talking about the fire meeting objectives and burning in a mosaic pattern. You only responded to the emotional part by tell me to, "see how I feel when my house burns down". The range is not your home. You have strong attachments to it, but it is not yours personally. By virtue of public lands, it belongs to all US citizens. You have demonstrated and even stated that you do not have enough knowledge to have formed an educated opinion on forest management and fire management, and so other than simply having an opinion which you can enjoy, you should not be given an inordinately large sway over how this fire is managed, or how policies specific to the range, are enacted.
As far as your friend. He is a troll.
To clarify do you also do everything for money and or you’re a jerk that is offended by one or both correlating to a FS employee? Or are you admitting your a Forest manager as implied or involvement with the USFS to claim liable(injury) and so underline the ulterior motive argument.Last edited by Jim_H on Jul 06 2014 03:07 pm, edited 2 times in total.
( 2018-08-28 dead link removed )NOTICE: THIS WILL BE THE FINAL NEWS RELEASE FROM ICS-3 TEAM
Due to rain, cooler temperatures, and high relative humidity, fire activity remains low. Crews in the Power’s Garden area will be pulling back, but cabins will remain wrapped with fire resistant material. Work areas will be combined and in the next few days resources will be downsized. Crews working on the southeast corner will continue to prep High Creek for a contingency line. Yesterday, no aerial water drops were conducted due to the amount of rain received. Crews will continue to be available for initial attack if lightning occurs in the region with forecasted thunderstorms.
In the coming days, the fire will continue to smolder and smoke may be seen. Crews will complete rehabilitation of containment lines while others will patrol the fire perimeter.