someone on the GET forums said there was no water in the entire (what, mile?) of needle. this was of last 2 weeks. i found that hard to believe, since we saw water in geronimo's ravine and again in peter's just last week... and the pool right near the needle/boulder intersection is about 8' deep capacity. so long story short, i don't know.. but do inform, as it's a good source to keep in the journal.