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If you don't wear a helmet, it means you have nothing to protect.JamesLyding wrote:................................................. It was a very windy day so hearing trail noise was difficult, and some clown on a mountain bike came roaring around a corner and down through a dip. He almost hit me and my dog, and I yelled "watch it!" He didn't like it, and came back to me. He replied "what the ---- are you doing??? Watch where you're going!!!" I replied (angrily) that he needed to learn the rules of the _______ trail, and grow up. He didn't like that, but he liked it even less when I told him we could go call the city parks department for a clarification. He was a foul-mouthed moron, and even more so when I pointed out that it was illegal to ride w/out a helmet. What a moron. This clown had all of the requisite gear: $2K bike, cycling clothes...but no helmet. ......................
The deal with horses is that they can't be trusted to maintain their composure, especially around backpacks.matt gilbert wrote:...Horses I'm not so sure about. I think that horses (like bikers) should yeild to hikers. I base this on the theory that he who works the hardest has the right of way.
I don't know about "wannabe." I can bring it on a bike like a champion. I can also crash on a bike like a champion. Wannabes don't crash because they avoid taking risks. I would say that mtn biking ranks #3 after hiking and climbing, so I guess you got me there.te-wa wrote:hey I didnt make fun of climbers, just giving you a hard time, besides youre a wannabe mtn biker anyway right?
I've read enough of the "I am a hiker, therefore I am entitled" mentality, and now I am compelled to respond. Your comment about not believing in "multi-use trails" reminds me of a tongue-in-cheek comment by Phil Mickelson once when asked whether or not he liked the idea of the USGA enforcing a "standard" ball. His response was, "yeah, as long as they select the ball I play". We could all take the same position, I suppose. I rarely hike, and I mountain bike about 4 or 5 times per week. I wouldn't mind doing away with "multi-use trails" either, so long as the majority banned HIKING and not biking (I don't really mean that, but I am saying it to make a point). Now on to your comments about your dog. My first question would have to be, "is your dog on a leash?" If I am riding down the mountain, and your dog is off the leash, only one of us is breaking the law, and it isn't me. I see hikers walking their dogs all the time and, quite frankly, I would go as far as to say that, estimating very moderately, 25% of the time their dogs are not on leashes. I'm not sure if they are aware of this or not, but there is a fairly steep fine for letting your dog run around the trails unleashed. Now, if your dog is so out of control that she needs to be contained every time a biker rides by, whether on a leash or not, perhaps she would be better served taking walks around the neighborhood and not on trails where you KNOW people are mountain biking. Taking a dog out there that can't co-exist with other trail users is acting just as irresponsibly as the mountain biker who speeds down the mountain, taking no one else into consideration. Just as the mountain biker thinks HIS agenda (riding his bike the way he wants) trumps all, you may be thinking that YOUR agenda (walking your dog on public trails) trumps everyone else. You both would be sadly incorrect. Enjoy yourself on the trails to the point that you aren't keeping others from enjoying themselves as well. If everyone took that position, there wouldn't be much to bicker about.I realize I'll probably catch the wrath of mountain bikers everywhere, but I really believe there should be no such thing as "multi use trails". I have one more consideration - I hike with my dog and if a bike is going fast, she really gets freaked out by it. Contrary to conventional wisdom, no matter what way I'm going, I ALWAYS yield to the biker - simply cuz I have to get my dog 10 feet away from the bike or she'll bark her fool head off and scare the crap out of the guy.
Your statement applies to "MOST" mountain bikers? You have no clue how wrong you are. "MOST" mountain bikers that I know are well aware of trail etiquette and will always yield to the hiker. Not to mention, we, if I may include myself when speaking about "mountain bikers", are well aware that many hikers have that sense of entitlement that I mentioned earlier (which, in my opinion, is at the very core of many of the hiker/biker issues), and would love to see us banned from the mountain. With that in mind, and believe me, it is a situation that we are all aware of, most of the mountain bikers that I know do what they can not to incite the situation. I find the arrangement irritating, at best, but I know what it is and I just try to go out there, ride my bike, and have a good time while letting everyone else on the trails do the same thing. Are there a-hole mountain bikers? Of course, but, if you are honest with yourself, you would have to admit that there are many a-hole hikers as well. Don't let a few idiots misguide you into believing that MOST mountain bikers are as you describe. You should check out some of the local mountain bike forums. I think you'd be quite surprised to see that most people there are very aware of trail etiquette and really frown upon the behavior that you attribute to "MOST" mountain bikers. You may find the occasional idiot saying something negative about hikers but, hey, I read this thread and see idiots talking about "dragging mountain bikers off their goofy bikes", and talking about how even horses should yield to hikers (quite comical there). It just proves my point that idiocy isn't an exclusive trait of the mountain bikers.Plus, you have to consider most of these guys are all about the speed... the faster the better. And they don't want to stop or slow down for anyone. I just think it's too dangerous for mountain bikers and hikers to share the same trail.
That is the truth. Just go to any of the popular Valley trails like Piestewa Peak, where you run the risk of being literally pushed off the trail by folks "training" or not wanting to have their heart rate drop below their target range for more than 1 second. Trail rage is real, I've found out.JimmyA wrote:there are many a-hole hikers as well.
So you're either going to kill the guy or knock him off the bike?Stiller wrote:I seriously considered the "well-placement" of my hiking pole at that point, but decided against it.