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the latest poll question: do you seriously practice LNT ethics?

i answered no because
a. i don't pack out my waste
b. i don't pick up after other people
c. i've thrown a few apple cores in the bushes in the past

curious what others have to say
where do you draw the line?
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Jim_H wrote:She was an RN and used the term, "pee pee", not urethra?
Speak to your audience... :)
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Jim_H wrote:She was an RN and used the term, "pee pee", not urethra?
You have to bear in mind she was talking to me in a language I can understand.
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@Alston Neal
She dumbed it down for ya huh?
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Nah that was really one of her more scientific descriptions she has given me.
She was kinda hoping I would grasp what I was holding in my hand in less than 3 minutes.
Cuz I was just standing there holding it trying to figure out if I was gonna put it in my backpack or just leave it.
I chose option 2.
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Eeeyew, so now someone else will have to go through what you went through? You are NOT a very good citizen, Alston. My goodness.

I would have thought you'd use it to strangle a cat.
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@azbackpackr
That's two good uses for a catheter....
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So I admit I'm not versed in these matters, but can someone hike 5, 6 or more miles with these things?
The place we found it is popular with turista horse rentals. Could it have been a rider?
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@Alston Neal
Are you sure it wasn't for the horse!?
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PLC92084 wrote:@Alston Neal
Are you sure it wasn't for the horse!?
:sl: ....ahem I've never noticed dwarf rentals at Spur Cross.
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@azbackpackr
just not my cat right?
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Although dwarf rental horse catheter waste is a serious issue worthy of further discussion, I recently was made aware of a LNT issue and am curious what other members think.
I once posted a picture sitting fireside in "Skull Rock"
http://hikearizona.com/t2013/05/04/4539 ... 141-08.jpg
(Queen Canyon, KOFA), and a well respected HAZ member commented that some people have a problem with fires that leave soot on alcoves, etc.
At the time it did not occur to me that I was not LNT compliant, I always try to leave sites cleaner than I find them. The archeological record of KOFA goes back to 9000 BC, and Skull Rock looks like humans have been building fires in it about that long. I did not build the fireplace, but then again I did not tear it down either. It went down below freezing that night and the wind howled outside - I've never enjoyed a fire more.
Was my "fresh" soot a violation of LNT?
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Barrett wrote:Was my "fresh" soot a violation of LNT?
In the early days of LNT I was a certified LNT Trainer and this subject was never discussed.
Perhaps over time it has been added to the course but I would not be aware of it.

Added P.S. - Maybe it's ok as long as you don't draw arrows in it. ;)

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The LNT answer man has responded and here is the body of his letter below:

Thanks for your interest in Leave No Trace. Our general guidance on fires consist of the following:
•Always check local rules and regulations regarding fires in the area you plan to have one.
•Only build fires when they're legal.
•Only build fires where conditions are safe, i.e. not too windy, dry, etc.
•Only build fires when there is a suitable wood supply, e.g. dead, downed wood no larger than your wrist.
•Minimize fire impacts by using existing fire rings, approved campfire sites, pan fires or mound fires.
•Avoid building fires where they may inadvertently damage natural features such as rocks, rock walls, live plants, etc.
•Monitor your fire and ensure that it is out COLD before leaving a fire unattended.
•Clean up the fire ring once done and remove any large unburned pieces of wood and scatter.

In regards to your specific question about fires in alcoves, we would recommend that fires not be build in locations where smoke or soot would create what would otherwise be avoidable impact to natural features.

Let me know if you need additional information or have further questions.

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SuperstitionGuy wrote:•Only build fires when there is a suitable wood supply, e.g. dead, downed wood no larger than your wrist.
:lol: --> http://hikearizona.com/dexcoder=1666017
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@Grasshopper
LNT. The N stands for Nonot. :sl:
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@Grasshopper
I was happy to see my fire from weekend made list...just so everyone knows, none of the dead wood I used was the size of a person's wrist...more like small person's torso..but it was cold! and I sleep guilt free :)
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friendofThundergod wrote: was happy to see my fire from weekend made list...just so everyone knows, none of the dead wood I used was the size of a person's wrist...more like small person's torso..but it was cold! and I sleep guilt free
Do you mean wood this size? :scared:
http://hikearizona.com/photo=355026
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@chumley
LNT.. and the T stands for Todd http://hikearizona.com/photo=355218 :lol:
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What can I say? I have fat wrists. :whistle:
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I just put my wrists up against all those pictures, and the logs are definitely smaller than my wrists... :M2C:
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