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That's why I'm a cairn kicker. I kick cairns of all shapes and sizes if they are useless. Some are useful for marking a path but 9/10 cairns I encounter (perhaps even higher in places like Cedar Mesa) are constructed by nabobs with no clue about where the trail is heading or where they should be build cairns in the first place.ASUAviator wrote:While were all ranting again, how bout them cairn builders?? No ones talked about the trace they leave. Personally im not for them, less so than a properly desposed of apple core ill never find.
I'm not against useful cairns - the ones the mark the way around an obstacle in the path, or let hikers know where the trail is when it may be hard to find.Outdoor Lover wrote:However, there are Cairns that are very useful and are put there for a purpose, such as lack of a defined Trail....Peak 3004 Loop is a perfect example. The Trail is virtually non-existent around the back side and if you're a novice like me that had no idea where I was at the time, it really helped and was really appreciated.
I think I would be a little dismayed if someone I was with starting kicking over Cairns that marked a designated Route...Yes, I have seen what appear to be a bunch of useless Cairns, but what may be useless to you and I, may be helping someone else remember a particular spot where they wanted to go off trail to a nice camp spot, or to mark a spot where they leave the Trail to find a reliable Water source, etc. etc....
I have built a "useless" Cairn, "useless" to everyone but me, to "mark" and help me remember where to leave the Trail for a certain area that I'm in the process of exploring....My memory may not be as good as other people's when it comes to that. Especially when I am not in the area more than a couple of times a year....
Outdoor Lover wrote:if you're a novice like me
No. I'm saying that leaving an apple core is what I personally consider a less than responsible act. Your views, everyone's views, may vary.Tough_Boots wrote:@SgtLumpy
so you're basically saying that the wilderness only has value because of our appreciation of it? You might be missing the whole point of it.
Don't forget ... 95% of the hikers on this site have never posted a photo, triplog, gps route, or comment. Not sure where that makes you rank in hiking, but you're damn near the king of the hill of site participation.Outdoor Lover wrote:Am I a Novice? Absolutely, when you look at the experience of 75% of the Hikers on this site.