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Well, Mel Gibson is a little nutso. Just look at his filmography.azbackpackr wrote:I met Maverick. Sheesh. Later, he killed his wife and then killed himself.
Yes, according to Ghiglieri, he took Cruise there while guiding on a river trip. You can read about it in his first Canyon book, entitled Canyon.Dave1 wrote:Tough_Boots wrote:@Jim_H
Don't forget Tom Cruise! (Top Gun)
Supposedly that Maverick has been to the "green room" in Havasupai.
I was thinking about this the other day - still amazing that we don't know what happened. So sad.Canyonram wrote: It is still a sad mystery as to why this happened.
I hope you don't often have that effect.azbackpackr wrote:I met Maverick. Sheesh. Later, he killed his wife and then killed himself.
I suppose that's not surprising. What seems like an inescapable conclusion to somebody who does that usually looks like a bad solution to everyone else.azbackpackr wrote:I've heard a few stories (that I probably shouldn't have heard) but none of them really solves the mystery.
I am pretty sure that I was not alone in thinking, "Thank goodness that man is in jail" after reading the article. I agree with the criminal charges. I wonder what the parents think. I wonder if the parents are as bad as the grandfather. Hope not. I hope they throw the book at him. And yes, probably the rangers could have acted sooner, but it sounds like they were pretty well on top of things. I am not going to fault the rangers. They had to have enough evidence to bust the guy and make it stick, and yet still prevent the kids from dying out there. I really, really hope that man gets put away for some time. There is no excuse for what he apparently did to those kids. Let's hope for a very strict judge when this goes to trial.Canyonram wrote:I'm curious as to the reaction by members of the forum: (1) Do you agree with the criminal charges vs. the grandfather? (2) Did the Rangers go far enough? Or did they go too far? (3) If the children appeared dehydrated and under duress, should the Rangers allowed them to continue hiking out of the Canyon or should they have taken more decisive action to put a halt to the hike up on both the first and second hikes?
We're not talking about Maverick. Switch to Page 2.kingsnake wrote:Or John McCain (as long as we are talking about Mavericks) ;)
What amazes me is that the guy took a TENT... in JUNE! A sleeping bag? Seriously? Tanner Beach 'dips' to about 70 at night.. may-be.joe bartels wrote:Glad he made it out okay! He's lucky he went in the dry month of June. Doubt he would have made it in the current humidity since sweating doesn't cool your core like it does when it's down near 4-8%
The exaggerated distance doesn't surprise me, I hear and see it almost daily.
nonot wrote:The backcountry office is not at mistake of anything - they issue permits to anyone who legally asks. It is not their job to judge the worthiness of any individual that would apply for the permit, and that's the way it should be. If people overestimate their ability and die as a result, it is not the park's fault either, the park provides the warning material about the strenuous nature of the Grand Canyon. Let's not make the government into babysitters for each and every one of us, it has gotten far too close to that in our daily lives already.
Moving right along with the events of THIS WEEK: Regarding the man who died this week, I would like to see a followup story. It's possible the youtube guy and the guy who died don't have much in common as to physical fitness, overall health, age, etc.Canyonram wrote:I posted it here because it dovetailed into the discussion & video of the guy hiking the Tanner who got out alive. Except for the fact that the guy in the video got out alive, the two hikers have a lot in common.
Most are not, actually. Common misunderstanding. Most rangers that one meets in the National Parks are interpretative rangers - no more equipped to make arrests than I. Same goes for backcountry rangers - they just happen to be in the backcountry. Unless you see a gun on a hip and handcuffs, the ranger you are speaking to is probably not an LE.azbackpackr wrote:They are trained law enforcement officers, should be able to handle an arrest on the trail.