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Yup, he sure cured those kids of hiking.Canyonram wrote: Now, they are left with a lifetime legacy and nightmares and dread for not only Grandpa, but the Canyon.
Playing devil's advocate, I would mount a very strong argument that letting your kids sit around playing video games getting fat and dooming them to a future of obesity-related illness is FAR more abusive than taking them out hiking. This guy was misguided. His intentions were probably genuine, but he failed to be patient and recognize that you have to start unfit people out slowly into activity. Of course, both of us are basing our judgements on the State's version of one event in this guy's life. His interactions with the rangers paint him in a bad light, either way...fotogirl53 wrote:The tv news out of Phoenix reported that this guy made statements that he did it because the kids were fat. And he took them down at least twice. That seems to me to be premeditated abuse. I suspect the Grand Canyon isn't the only place they've been abused. Because they live out of state, it's hard to say if they will get the services they need at home. The whole system is pumpkin inadequate, from Child Protective Services to foster care to care after children turn 18. But, do you really believe that if the kids are returned to him, he won't just drive over to Death Valley and do it again?
While I admit I haven't seen much on hikes specifically, I would not share the opinion that a "get tough" routine isn't very common.azbackpackr wrote:If that is your personal experience, that a lot of dads or coaches afflict a "get tough" routine on hikes with their sons or team members, maybe that is because it happened to you. However, I don't think it is very common. It may have been more common years ago