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Although I totally understand where you are coming from, your last statement I needed to comment to. The STL permit is $15 per person, $20 per family. Although I don't have the experience myself, I do know of people who have had ATVs confiscated because of being on STL without a permit. They were also told during the process that they could have taken everything in their possession including their vehicles.beterarcher wrote: I will continue to use these STLs respectfully....Without a yearly pass! Give me a ticket, you cant get blood from a stone! LESS BIG GOVERNMENT!
Thanks Kate, for your good wishes. I'll file this one away in my brain for later consideration. I only hike these areas because I can't afford gas to drive to real (non-STL) hiking areas that are not over crowded. Over crowding leads to poor wildlife viewing. By the way the officers never mentioned the confiscation of all possessions. Kind of scary! Maybe I'll be able to buy a hunting license sooner or later and carry my bow with me. Rabbit season is all year long!chulavista wrote:beterarcher wrote: I will continue to use these STLs respectfully....Without a yearly pass! Give me a ticket, you cant get blood from a stone! LESS BIG GOVERNMENT!
As much as I agree with your soapbox, I find it much, much cheaper and a lot less hassle to purchase the permit versus trying to retrieve all my possessions after they have been confiscated. It's your choice. I wish you luck.
Q: Why do I need a permit to go on State Trust land for recreation purposes and how do I obtain a recreational permit?
Arizona State Trust lands are not "public lands", as are Federal lands under the management of the U.S. Forest Service or the Bureau of Land Management. Federal "public lands" are managed for the benefit and use of the public, while State Trust lands are managed for the benefit of 13 Trust beneficiaries, which include the public schools and prisons. The Land Department's trust management responsibilities include requiring a permit or lease and charging a fee for use of Trust land. Exceptions to this requirement are licensed hunters and fishers, actively pursuing game or fish, in-season, and certain archaeological activities permitted by the Arizona State Museum.
A ‘Recreational Use Permit’ is temporary and revocable and does not permit commercial, competitive or group events. Lands leased for agriculture, mining, commercial, or military purposes are not open to recreational use. Other State Trust Lands may be closed to some or all recreational uses due to hazardous conditions, dust abatement, in coordination with the Arizona Game & Fish Department or based on certain State, County or Local laws or ordinances.
Recreational Permit allows the signatory limited privileges to use State Trust Land for some recreation. Recreation under this permit is limited to hiking, horseback riding, picnics, bicycling, photography, sightseeing, and bird watching. Camping is restricted to no more than 14 days per year. Off-Highway Vehicular travel on State Trust Land is not permitted without proper licensing.
The holder of an Arizona State Land Department (ASLD) Recreation Permit (Permittee) shall respect the land, the rights and improvements of other authorized users, and exercise appropriate discretion to protect native plants, cultural and historic sites and the environment. Permittee shall stay on existing and designated roads and trails. Permittee shall comply with all Federal, State, County, and Municipal laws and ordinances, while on State Trust Land.
The Permittee shall not use State Trust Land that is closed by the State Land Commissioner. The Permittee shall not: disrupt plant and wildlife on, blaze trails across, visit historic and prehistoric archeological sites on, or remove natural products from State Trust Land. The Permittee shall not cause any refuse or allow any other foreign objects to be deposited on State Trust Land. The Permittee shall not discharge a firearm on State Trust Land, except pursuant to lawful and licensed hunting.
So true. Which is why I grudgingly go ahead and buy the permit - and my utv is street legal. A lot easier than fighting bureaucracy.beterarcher wrote:Wow, who would have thought you'd need a law degree and a stack of land use maps to go out in the local desert to enjoy nature.
thanks Kate and Chumley,
I guess they just didn't need the revenue at the time so they weren't enforcing it.mazatzal wrote:The furthest back "digging through memory cobwebs" I just about remember seeing STL signs in 1996 going to Newman Peak.
That is the official permit. There is also a permit that you are supposed to hang from your mirror or post on your dash. I think they change the color every year.chumley wrote:@rlrjamy
So I recently went online to search exactly what they do look like. (Not that I would ever make my own or anything like that :A1: ) and the only image that came up in a web search was right here on HAZ.
I don't see any chalupa stains on it.
The Arizona Trail has paid $200,000 to "purchase" the right-of-way for non-motorized travel on that trail, and Maricopa County paid $490,991 for the right-of-way on the Maricopa Trail.Al_HikesAZ wrote:Another big issue is that a lot of the Maricopa Trail is on State Trust Land. I am sure there will be a lot of hikers, bikers and equestrians using the trail - and many without permits.