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You think this girl will spend a year in jail for this?neilends wrote:A year in the clink
I would argue that America is a "lock them up and throw away the key society". I know I'm cherry-picking a bit here, but our country has an exceedingly high incarceration rate per capita, and the main culprit is non-violent drug related offenses. Our country is slowly going the way of decriminalizing marijuana (and rightfully so), but in most places it is still much, much more likely to do hard time for simply possessing a bit of pot for personal use than it is for vandalizing our natural resources. In other debates on the subject of vandalism of public lands, I've heard extreme opinions favoring long-term sentences for vandals, which I do not necessarily support in most circumstances, but I do think that the typical punishment for such crimes is far less than it should be compared to others. I do wonder what kind of punishment would would result from someone making a series of paintings in D.C. on say the Washington Monument, the Lincoln Memorial, and the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial?friendofThundergod wrote:I tend to agree with you, America is just simply not the lock them up and throw away key society so many wish it was.
That would be defended as political speech and is constitutionally protected. :roll:hippiepunkpirate wrote: I do wonder what kind of punishment would would result from someone making a series of paintings in D.C. on say the Washington Monument, the Lincoln Memorial, and the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial?
Agreed. However, it is often up to the agency to press for charges.neilends wrote:Sentences for environmental crimes on federal land are set by Congress for the most part, not by agencies.
Chumley has a thing for bad girls. Maybe she will need a pen pal if she ever makes it to the crossbar hotel.chumley wrote:@SuperstitionGuy
As fotg allueded to, that won't work in this case. Even I would steal the poster to bring it home and pin it up.
End result of that crime was that he was homeless no more.neilends wrote:homeless man started the Hardy forest fire in 2011, in northern Arizona. He served a year in prison.
Of course and the rest of the criminals had a tendency to run for office and become politicians so they could have two homes. One in their district and one near Washington DC.kingsnake wrote:When I was a guard at the Yuma County jail, I actually booked homeless guys who committed crimes specifically so they could get a place sleep and a decent meal
A federal prosecutor with plenty of homicide trials under his belt felt she was unconvictable. She set the fire to try and get a helicopter's attention after being lost in the woods for 2 days, and also tried to get the helicopter crew to attend to the fire as soon as they rescued her. There has to be some level of criminal intent proven in these cases. We may not like it but that's the law. How much time would you demand even if she was convicted?chumley wrote:Besides what many would consider to be under-prosecuting many offenders (Steven Shiflet, who admitted to starting the near-18,000-acre Sunflower Fire in the Tonto National Forest with an "incendiary shotgun shell," was sentenced to probation) ... here's a sort of high-profile non-prosecution:
Remember Rodeo-Chediski? Valinda Jo Elliott, who started the Chediski portion of the fire was not charged with arson by the US Attorney's office, much to the anger of residents and the WMAT.
I think in many cases they simply don't find the actual perp (Horseshoe 2 and Monument, for recent examples) and therefore can't prosecute.
In this case, at least they know who they're dealing with. But as with Valinda Jo Elliott, abject stupidity may save her from any real consequences.
That's the understatement of the year.neilends wrote:Gregg, who also contributed to that fire
Thanks, Jake, for very insightful comments. Unfortunately, the linked article was blacked out when I tried to read it.hippiepunkpirate wrote:For reference, and article on Trenton Ganey: http://azdailysun.com/news/local/crime- ... 13d37.html