Related to / or following : Juniper Fire closure-Sierra Ancha forum
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First on 5/23/16 the supposed 6th day of the fire inciweb showed ignition near head of Cold water canyon, then the 24th moved it north to east edge of juniper flats. The later did coincide with the name and was a more plausible lighting strike area than under a cliff as the first position. Though such an open area just 2 miles and 1100 feet below a fire tower. What about their very accurate satellite fire detection?
Questions were asked of why it was not seen earlier? FS said that the mountain was in the way..(What mt?) Concord tower saw it first as they had a better angle..Concord is 23 miles north, slightly east. Angle is better if a fire was below the rim of juniper flats but not passable for head of Cold water.
5/26/16 a poor map dated 5/24/16 is added to inciweb incident report with a red X. Legend says fire origin: lightning start may 17 2016. The X and shown burn area indicate it started on Mc Fadden Horse mt. at the the top of the front leg of the horse.
The map showed trail 146 crossing a small burn area on the shoulder. This is also were the cairned trail used by mules and lodgers dragged timber down the gentle descent to the north between the horses legs to juniper flat. The high ground of the horse is fairly table like thou rolling and had large pines spaced with grass in places like were the fires origin is marked.
“The fire is burning in rough terrain too risky to send firefighters in. If they were to get injured, it would be difficult to get them out — a situation no one wants to find themselves in.” “There isn’t a place for a helicopter or to bring in necessary tools," Kenton said. "The terrain makes walking tough, let alone walking with fire packs and tools.”}
I have a picture of about a hundred yard clearing just south of the wilderness line at the edge of the 5/24/16 Public information map burn. And apparently the trail the FS is paid to manage is not fit for hot shots either.
“The roads that run around the fire provide a perimeter and natural breaks, while everything inside is burning slow and taking its natural course.” Says it's fully Contained, slow burning too.
Inciweb 5/23/16 “The Juniper Fire is not a prescribed burn. This wildfire will be managed where needed and allowed to function as nature intended. This means it does not have a planned end date.”
Same report bullet point “ensuring timely and accurate information releases.”
National Interagency Coordination Center Incident Management Situation Report Wednesday, June 8, 2016
incident -- unit -- Acres -- chge - % - Ctn/comp - Est --total -- chge -- Crw - eng - heli - strc lost - ctd -- orgin
Juniper - AZ-TNF - 28,504-2,444 - 20 --- Comp --- 7/15 - 558 ---- 42 ---- 11--- 23-- 7 --- 0 ------ 6.8M -- FS
“Juniper, Tonto NF. IMT 2 (Bales). Ten miles south of Young, AZ. Timber and chaparral. Active fire behavior with uphill runs and flanking. Residences threatened. Area closures in effect. “
Chart est completion 7/15.. Planing more than a month more at that point of the “managed” contained “wildfire” they want to burn. At least five claims that all exclude the legal definition of a Wildfire.
FS told many they intended to burn as much as 3.6 times as they have. What/were is their intended casualty area? They continue to claim it's not contained, “Fire will continue to slowly creep on the Eastern side of the incident towards Cherry Creek.” Both the 11-12 I studied that area using some fairly good optics, studied a few hundred high resolution pictures also.. Saw no one! Saw no fire or smoke on that side.
The FS obviously still wants to burn more and had planed to burn much more.
Why is any one tolerant of any part of this?