Camelback Christmas Tree

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Should hikers be permitted to place a Christmas Tree on the summit of Camelback Mountain?

Yes! It's holiday cheer!
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No Way! Bah humbug!
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Maybe, if some conditions are met (discuss below).
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Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by chumley » Nov 29 2016 6:35 pm

Yay or nay?

Phoenix Parks and Recreation removed the 2016 tree and issued the following explanation:
"We deal with these kinds of things throughout the year: Christmas trees, flags, religious symbols. Our concern is these can present a safety hazard bringing them up the trail. They could easily fall down off the trail and hurt someone. We must protect the natural state of the mountain preserves in desert parks."
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http://www.azfamily.com/story/33799516/ ... -tradition
http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizon ... 0456-story

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by chumley » Nov 29 2016 6:42 pm

Over the years what was once a small understated recognition of the season has now gotten out of hand and become a source of trash that is a burden to many more than just those few who carry the tree up there.

If you want to carry a tree up there to take a picture -- that's cool. Just carry it down with you on the same trip. Simple outdoor ethics: pack-it-in-pack-it-out, LNT, etc.

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by Tortoise_Hiker » Nov 29 2016 9:17 pm

I'm on the tree's side. Everyone seemed cheerful when I was up there from trees past. If you want to take down something offensive, how about the guy that wears the banana hammock... Just my two cents....
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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by Tough_Boots » Nov 29 2016 9:42 pm

Tortoise_Hiker wrote:f you want to take down something offensive, how about the guy that wears the banana hammock...
isn't that better than NOT wearing a banana hammock? :o
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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by rcorfman » Nov 29 2016 10:43 pm

Don't know about Camelback Mt, but the last few years a Palo Verde tree has been decorated near the top of the Ridgeline Trail in Deem Hills Park. I don't mind that except that glass ball ornaments seem to be used a lot and inevitably, there's a storm and the balls break. Now there's lots of colored glass shards on the ground below the tree. Hopefully no glass ball ornaments will be used this year. If there are, I may just end up a new collection...

Oh, I've seen the rangers cleaning up the ornaments after Christmas too. Wouldn't it be nice if the decorators cleaned it up instead.
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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by JasonCleghorn » Nov 30 2016 6:42 am

Nay. But it doesn't affect me as I did Camel(toe)back once and that was plenty.
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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by The_Dude » Nov 30 2016 7:37 am

I found the tree an interesting find when I saw it a few years ago, pleasant surprise to come up top and see. I could certainly see there being issues hauling a tree up that way, and mess would certainly be an issue if the folks that brought it up did not take care of it. There are some folks that always decorate a Palo Verde on the east side of Shaw Butte every year too, seems like they are almost all wood and plastic ornaments, that seems to make more sense to me. SO I guess I am of the philosophy that this is OK as long as whoever carts it up cleans up after themselves, but that can be hard to follow up on, kind of like political signs that are still hanging around a month after the election... :M2C:

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by John9L » Nov 30 2016 8:09 am

I saw footage on Fox 10 News on Monday that showed a group of 20ish people carrying the 10 ft tree up the Cholla Trail. It looked obnoxious and is clearly a safety hazard. Both trails are too narrow & rugged for this kind of activity and I applaud the park service for putting an end to this. While the tree looks pretty and is fun for people to see when they reach the summit, it's ultimately trash that gets spread around the summit after the holiday (https://hikearizona.com/trip=97962). And it’s only a matter of time until someone hurts themselves when transporting the tree.

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by Sredfield » Nov 30 2016 9:04 am

"Take only pictures, leave only footprints." If you want to see a decorated tree, go to the mall.
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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by Alston_Neal » Nov 30 2016 11:08 am

I find it interesting that this "tradition" of having a Christmas tree on Camelback came about at the same time as the "wild" horses at the Salt/Verde rivers.
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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by gummo » Nov 30 2016 11:13 am

I'm going to go up there and remove it. Xmas trees belong in the home. Then I'm going to remove that mailbox on Picketpost Mtn so we can finally enjoy the summit.

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by chumley » Nov 30 2016 11:40 am

@gummo
Don't forget the bench on Fremont overlooking Weavers and the white dots in Siphon Draw. :)

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by DallinW » Nov 30 2016 11:58 am

chumley wrote:@gummo
Don't forget the bench on Fremont overlooking Weavers
What?!

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by big_load » Nov 30 2016 12:04 pm

chumley wrote:Don't forget the bench on Fremont overlooking Weavers
I didn't see one there on Sunday. Is it up on the higher elevation east of the pass?

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by chumley » Nov 30 2016 12:06 pm

@DallinW
Previous drama. Big brouhaha about it and eventually it was removed.
https://hikearizona.com/photo.php?ZIP=298675
https://hikearizona.com/dex2/viewtopic. ... 203#p87204

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by Tough_Boots » Nov 30 2016 12:40 pm

Dragging a tree up there and not coming back to clean it up is super lame. Though I'd rather let them do it there so they don't go find somewhere that's actually cool to leave their trash.
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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by chumley » Nov 30 2016 12:53 pm

In the same vein as panty trees at ski areas perhaps Camelback can erect a Yoga Pants Tree. Isn't that something we can all get behind?

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by DallinW » Nov 30 2016 12:58 pm

chumley wrote:In the same vein as panty trees at ski areas perhaps Camelback can erect a Yoga Pants Tree. Isn't that something we can all get behind?
Seconded. :D

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by John9L » Nov 30 2016 1:28 pm

Sounds like they are going to put another tree up there even though it doesn't sound like they have permission.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/loc ... /94672572/
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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by big_load » Nov 30 2016 1:33 pm

chumley wrote:@DallinW
Previous drama. Big brouhaha about it and eventually it was removed.
https://hikearizona.com/photo.php?ZIP=298675
https://hikearizona.com/dex2/viewtopic. ... 203#p87204
That's just silly. There's a multitude of good sitting rocks up there. A bench is redundant.

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