Camelback Christmas Tree

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Should hikers be permitted to place a Christmas Tree on the summit of Camelback Mountain?

Yes! It's holiday cheer!
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No Way! Bah humbug!
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Maybe, if some conditions are met (discuss below).
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Total votes: 38

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Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by chumley » Nov 29 2016 6:35 pm

Yay or nay?

Phoenix Parks and Recreation removed the 2016 tree and issued the following explanation:
"We deal with these kinds of things throughout the year: Christmas trees, flags, religious symbols. Our concern is these can present a safety hazard bringing them up the trail. They could easily fall down off the trail and hurt someone. We must protect the natural state of the mountain preserves in desert parks."
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http://www.azfamily.com/story/33799516/ ... -tradition
http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizon ... 0456-story

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by chumley » Nov 30 2016 1:40 pm

I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry!

A $600 Christmas Tree? :o
Four hours of time carrying it up? : rambo :

How about buying some toys for underprivileged children and volunteering your 4 hours at a shelter or soup kitchen?

Holiday spirit isn't about a pine tree on a mountain!

I think some of these people may have lost sight of what's important.

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by Tortoise_Hiker » Nov 30 2016 1:53 pm

chumley wrote:How about buying some toys for underprivileged children and volunteering your 4 hours at a shelter or soup kitchen?
Are you planning a HAZ event?
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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by trekkin_gecko » Nov 30 2016 1:54 pm

the 2013 tree https://hikearizona.com/photo.php?ZIP=381509

$600 price tag seems a little high

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by The_Dude » Nov 30 2016 2:05 pm

If they are leaving trash afterwards that seems like a pretty crappy thing to do. If you are going to haul it up there, take care of it yourself dangit! Seems like the tree was not that large in the years past that I have seen it, the last one I saw I though was about 7-8' or so. Camelback stopped being 'wilderness' a long time ago, better it get done there than in places like the Superstitions. The yoga pants tree is an enticing idea...

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by JasonCleghorn » Nov 30 2016 2:14 pm

John9L wrote:Sounds like they are going to put another tree up there even though it doesn't sound like they have permission.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/loc ... /94672572/
Hopefully they get arrested and barred from all Phoenix parks, then. Follow the rules or GTFO. I'm tired of people thinking that their moral and philosophical stances outweigh written rules and settled laws.

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by gummo » Nov 30 2016 2:17 pm

chumley wrote:@gummo
Don't forget the bench on Fremont overlooking Weavers and the white dots in Siphon Draw. :)
If I remove the bench, then where will people sit?

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by DarthStiller » Nov 30 2016 2:36 pm

And I see that the "likes" have been disabled for this thread....... :pout:

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by friendofThundergod » Nov 30 2016 2:46 pm

@chumley
Very good point to make! Probably some better ways to make the holidays better in the Phoenix area, or to spread holiday cheer for that matter...These self-righteous yuppies think they are championing some great cause, by starting a petition to leave piles of trash on top of a mountain in Phoenix and take pictures next to some delusional man who dresses up like Santa, get real, its just selfishness disguised as doing good IMO. I wonder if it crossed their mind that not everyone who hikes C.B. wants to see a Christmas tree planted on the top?...Let's all throw our used Christmas decorations/trash in the ring-leaders yard and see how he likes it.. :lol:

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by PatrickL » Nov 30 2016 3:09 pm

In response to them dragging yet another tree to the top:
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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by chumley » Nov 30 2016 5:06 pm

A compromise has been reached.
"In the spirit of the holiday season, we've come to an agreement to temporarily allow a non-decorated natural tree on Camelback Mountain through January 1, 2017," Phoenix Parks and Recreation Department spokesman Gregg Bach said in an email.

"Members of that group will remove decorations and monitor the site for debris on a daily basis, with help from park ranger staff. The Phoenix Parks and Recreation Board will work to find a permanent solution for future years and welcomes public input."
Good luck keeping it undecorated!

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by JasonCleghorn » Nov 30 2016 5:10 pm

chumley wrote:A compromise has been reached.
"In the spirit of the holiday season, we've come to an agreement to temporarily allow a non-decorated natural tree on Camelback Mountain through January 1, 2017," Phoenix Parks and Recreation Department spokesman Gregg Bach said in an email.

"Members of that group will remove decorations and monitor the site for debris on a daily basis, with help from park ranger staff. The Phoenix Parks and Recreation Board will work to find a permanent solution for future years and welcomes public input."
Good luck keeping it undecorated!
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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by DallinW » Nov 30 2016 6:39 pm

chumley wrote: Good luck keeping it undecorated!
I was just up there a couple hours ago and there is a decorated Palo Verde now. Pine tree or no pine tree, people are going to decorate something it seems.

I voted "I don't care." If Camelback was a wilderness area I would have an issue with it. Camelback is in the middle of a metropolis, I don't have any expectation of a wilderness experience. Idk, just my two cents, others might care that its up there. The trash aspect sucks.

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by Jim_H » Nov 30 2016 8:10 pm

I think they should just take a fake one up there and when January 1 comes, they should take it down and stick it behind some rocks just off summit, to pull out for next season. Or, like that one year we don't talk about back home, it will remain up all year, to be taken down on the following Christmas morning: a Christmas miracle!
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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by DallinW » Dec 02 2016 4:03 pm

The christmas tree is up, with decorations.

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by pixelfrog » Dec 03 2016 6:12 am

chumley wrote:@DallinW
Previous drama. Big brouhaha about it and eventually it was removed.
https://hikearizona.com/photo.php?ZIP=298675
https://hikearizona.com/dex2/viewtopic. ... 203#p87204
Yeah that was one dumb move putting the bench there. Really glad to see they removed it awhile ago!

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by Alston_Neal » Dec 03 2016 10:39 am

In Japan they say only old people and crazy people hike mountains...........yep


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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by CannondaleKid » Dec 03 2016 10:46 am

@Alston_Neal It will be easier to remove after Christmas anyway... just stick it with a cholla.
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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by Thoreau » Dec 03 2016 1:50 pm

If only Phoenix Parks and Rec were as gung ho about following the laws themselves. How many years did it take for them to even START removing their illegal signage prohibiting firearms?

Then there's the inconsistency of park hours. Squaw Peak... go ahead and hike after dark, they don't care (assuming you get in before the gate closes.) Camelback... deputy bojangles threatening hikers with citation if they're not out the gate before sunset.

I'm pro-tree (provided the people putting it there do indeed clean up afterwards.)

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by chumley » May 23 2017 8:25 am

Parks and Rec recommends to prohibit the tree. Still needs council to vote before it's finalized.

Santa is going all out and says he'll bring a tree up and chain himself to it if he has to.

I'll make my 6001st HAZ post a good one and recommend the guy find something more worthwhile to spend his resources fighting for. :M2C:

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Re: Camelback Christmas Tree

Post by Thoreau » May 23 2017 8:51 am

Saw a blip about this on the news this morning. Plenty of time to plan a glorious 'civil disobedience' action between now and xmas. Obviously, it'll be bringing a tree to the top and the defense of said tree thereafter.

Bring it, you jackwagon politicians =)

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