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Route Scout - GPS Topo Mapper

Post by joebartels » May 11 2015 3:12 pm

Route Editor - plan & review recorded hikes
Route Scout - follow/record hikes
Route Cloud - online exchange for Route Scout & Route Editor ( import gpx, etc )

Highlight
Import a route and set it to "Follow". Offline topo maps specific to the route auto loads for navigation.

Features
"Pin track" navigation and off trail audio alerts

Image & Image

Import ○ Follow ○ Pin To


4 ways to import GPS Routes into Route Scout

also a 5th way, import Search or ID #

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4.8.04
- updated background dependency
- possible fix for iOS users where recording fails to continue after a break
- updated docs and menus to HAZ verbiage that changed last summer
- multiple rare case bug fixes, mostly for Android

4.8.02
- fixed bug conflicting audio alert for water sources
- updated map dependency

4.8.0
- update database dependency
- refactored waypoint proximity to save battery

4.7.7
- improved jittery "direction of travel"
- changed map header tap from native popup to full sized page for easier readability with larger font
- header tap is called "Top Stats"
- "Top Stats" includes time of day, activity time, pinned track ETA, lat, lon, last break, last split
- updates map dependency
- adjusted water source audio trigger

4.7.4
- When 50 max files are reached RS now auto deletes the oldest file
- Files page has a new footer bar for easier one handed operation to pageback

4.7.2
- fixes quirk unsetting follow from home
- file list tidy up
- android fix for internet connection issue after prolonged use
- android platform upgraded to 7.0.0

4.7.0
Fixed Android recording issues. Apps such as FB hog resources. RS will no longer be bullied by corporate thugs.

4.4.22
Android users on a lower version should seriously upgrade

4.4.9
- fixes major issue for many since early april (android)
- lots of little bug fixes
- quicker loading

4.4.0
- improved options after saving to Roue Cloud
- Android: removed Google Apis causing issues for many users, now using native device geolocation

4.2.2
- improved logic to record less elevation errors

4.2.0
- rolled back Android dependencies due to multiple issues to accommodate users

4.1.04
- retain pinned track when RS is closed & restarted
- now confirms changes to pinned track so the user understands only 1 track may be pinned
- fix for iOS random unexpected app start
- fix for lack of audio notifications near water sources
- post triplog now has mode & name entry before going to web interface
- removed power-up audio option

4.1.0
- finally fixed a major bug that occurred after previewing a file while recording activity

4.0.35
- audio waypoints limited to following and water sources

4.0.32
- fixed two rare bugs

4.0.22 Android / 4.0.28 iOS
- offline maps is now for 5 most recent routes set to follow
- added traditional zoom buttons to map
- map scale font increased for aging scouters
- preview map center state saved on screen off
- recording map now centers to current position after screen off/on

- water sources
-- included for CA & AZ
-- option to view on HAZ
-- functionality added to preview map

- updated "info" page
- most audio options off by default on new installations
- updated dependencies

Route Scout 3.1.37
- Offline Maps is now for 5 routes most recently set to follow
- now rounding battery level for a few getting significant figures
- added mtn => mountain to audio abbreviation conversions

3.1.32
Fixed on Android
- no internet detection after extended use
- removed unneeded old code that may cause conflicts
Added
- more pageback buttons where space permited
- coding for a possible future update to allow more offline maps
Various
- swipe header L to R to pageback is either direction now
- homepage icon for activity is more intuitive now when recording
- 5 ways to import pageback to home if initiated from homepage
- moved buttons slightly away from edge for curved displays

3.1.28
- fixed: file sort issue
- fixed: rattlesnake pronunciation
- added: Audio Splits option -> pinned stat
- added: option to hide finish button on map
- default audio speed: faster now
- water report button: hides when finished
- water report button: changes to edit if already entered
- drive: offers "pick a track" if more than 1 track

3.1.22
- removed timer on preview map, view to your delight
- shutting off screen on preview now holds last position
- improved distance to waypoint logic
- fixed map icon color after pausing
- updated map & background dependencies

3.1.20
- Updates dependencies
- Possibly fixed erratic straight line where a bad point of data is recorded while checking app.

3.1.14
- added waypoint alert option to settings

3.1.12
- fixes inability on some devices to tap waypoints

3.1.8
- refactored nearby waypoints to check more often with less processing

3.1.6
- begin/finish waypoints added to imported tracks for audio proximity alerts
- fixed quarter mile proximity bug
- waypoints created during activity now work with proximity
- waypoint audio proximity resets after set time to alert future encounters

3.1.2
- fixes critical dialog bug in version 3.1.1

3.1.0
- updates dependencies
- improves debugging

3.0.56
- water report button fixed

3.0.52
- waypoints created on a hike now have decimal entry option and display distance/bearing info
- new motion dots help understand direction of current track
- dependencies for running in the background, database and the map updated
- added thin line to "Pin to" dots to help distinguish in congested areas
- options now offered when setting "Pin to"

3.0.50
- new direction of travel icon

3.0.42
- critical fix changes communication to HAZ over a secure connection
- everyone needs to upgrade, older versions will have limited functionality

3.0.40
- "Pin to" feet & frequency defaults in blue corrected
- fixes menu back key oddities on Android
- better debug to help solve issues

3.0.38
- Clarified follow verbiage in preview
- "Pin to" helper redeveloped
- Removed brightness setting. iOS never had it. Androids auto adjust.
- Finding signal text added on begin activiy

3.0.37
- suggest "Pin To" if not set and near track on begin activity
- added current position to elevation profiles if applicable
- default setting for nature is off
- random nature is default, removed setting
- enunciates begin activity
- battery <35% moved out of splits to make it available to all
- fixes bug in clear follow

3.0.32
- fixed compass on iOS
- audio waypoints now convert a few abbreviations ie: nw th ft
- started de-cluttering settings
- enhanced debug system and added issue input
- updated dependency code which keeps the app current to technology
- attempt to fix issue where a new recording starts immediately after finish 

3.0.30
- added file search when over 3 files
- added approaching file limit notice

3.0.26
- added search as an import option ( can enter hike & gps id numbers too )
- now gives the user a chance to name a waypoint before auto naming with a timestamp

3.0.22
- cleaned up map menu
- removed 45 minute timeout

3.0.20
- clears "pin to" on "stop & save"
- new menu system for follow tracks
- added option to reverse a follow track

3.0.18 Android
- added logic to reduce off track notices of a pinned track when idol

3.0.16 Android
- added logic to reduce false breaks
- added granular control for off trail of a pinned track under settings

3.0.14 Android
- minor adjustments

3.0.12 Android
- fixes a bug if switching follow while recording
- fixes a bug for audio waypoints under 5 feet
- routes imported from RouteMGR hold color scheme
- adds a beta function to maybe fix gaps

3.0.2 Android
- re-added notification bar on locked screen missing in last release

3.0.0 Android
- resolves stop recording issue when using other apps

2.1.14 Android
- resolves "loading" issue

2.1.7
- nearby named place waypoints balanced on import
- named place waypoints hide when zoomed out on preview
- updated map dependencies
- fixed backtrack bug
- added 12 new waypoint icons for nearby named places

2.1.5
- fixes preview map bug

2.1.4
- fixes water report "save" not closing
- fixes annoying device keyboard header on Android

2.1.1
- fixes iOS tap on waypoint list issue
- fixes Android leaving a water report with device back-key
- waypoint info on tap a little more user friendly with an X to close in upper right
- fixes pageback on splits page in review
- "preview map" is now branded "review map" for recorded routes
- beta system for Android to catch disabled backgrounding
- updated dependencies which may improve keeprunning

2.1.0
- fixes an issue with preview map
- dequirkified waypoint tap display
- introducing water reports

2.0.35
- removed wake lock on recording map to be consistent with the iOS version
- added a speed filter to remove unjustified jumps in speed

2.0.34
- redeveloped "Follow" route backend for a better experience **
- fixed jittery scroll in recording menu
- toned down the fisher price size in the recording menu

** basically we ripped out the flux capacitor and replaced it with a rice cooled atom smasher
...the 60 mile import limit is much higher

2.0.32
- menus roll in smooth now
- might keep app from stopping during a break ( iOS only )
- might work better when audio is interrupted ( iOS only )

2.0.30
- fixes major bug in 2.0.28
- sort of fixes twitchy menus in iOS 9

2.0.28
- fixes minor issues

2.0.27
- iOS 9 compatibility fixes: pageback, map tiles, status bar

2.0.26
- fixes incorrect zero split stats
- keeps iOS from stopping during breaks
- app notes on the homepage to communicate better with users

2.0.25
• fixes voice overlapping nature call on iOS
• fixes rare cached coordinate on secondary activity
• fixes roadrunner lyrics to fend off the peanut gallery

2.0.24
• holds center on button tap zoom out
• fixes layout overlap
• fixes buggy loader when canceling profile track select
• clarifies offline map dialog
• continuous location update option now on preview, for sake of driving to activity
• fixes incorrect distance to waypoints on preview map

2.0.22
• fixes satellite reception loss when not moving or on break ( iOS )
• added track menu to elevation profile for multiple tracks
• crosshair displays on profile tap even if off
• elev profiles are more transparent, tap auto zooms as needed
• near full screen option for preview map
• added mode & hide 1 week to posting options
• fixes nature calls ( iOS )

2.0.20
• iPhone audio speed reduced for Dave1
• fixes twitchy menu button when previewing a route
• fixes undeclared apprate id
Updates take 0-3 days if you have auto update on. You may always force an update...

iOS
- on your iPhone go to RS on App Store
- verify new version click the download cloud icon
- click open and verify the new app version on the app at the bottom of the homepage
- if it doesn't match the App Store version number do it again

Android
- on your device go to Play Store
- click the menu button upper/left in search bar
- select My Apps
- update Route Scout or all
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Re: Route Scout

Post by joebartels » Aug 21 2015 6:51 pm

Now available in the App Store ( iTunes )
Link is in first post of this thread.
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Re: Route Scout

Post by Oregon_Hiker » Aug 22 2015 8:46 am

joe bartels wrote:audio speed - the rate audio is spoken ( slow to quick )
OK, that would REALLY be cool if I could use it to slow down some of the fast talkers I know (eg. my wife and daughter)
Took Route Scout for a trial on my morning hike today. Had much faster map download and gps sync to required accuracy than the previous HAZ gps. I live in an area with weak cell signal. I was standing outside my front door so maybe it was still linked to my wireless for map download? After map download with map zoomed out for area I would be hiking in I switched to airplane mode. Was pleased to find map could be zoomed in and had topo detail in airplane mode - something that wasn't working for me with the old HAZ gps - maybe I just hadn't figured out how to use the old one. Very pleased with this new gps version. Second impression - yes! this is a winner. Thanks, Joe.

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Re: Route Scout

Post by SAMBA » Aug 22 2015 10:53 am

As with HAZ Tracks the "Device only" is the only Location Mode setting that Route Scout works in on a 1st generation Motorola Moto X.

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Re: Route Scout

Post by tibber » Aug 22 2015 11:16 am

SAMBA wrote:As with HAZ Tracks the "Device only" is the only Location Mode setting that Route Scout works in on a 1st generation Motorola Moto X.
I'm waiting for the Moto X Pure Edition to come out Sep 3rd. Not sure what you mean by "device only" location mode :-k ? Guess I'll have to go back on the Forum where you discussed the Moto X to see how the HAZTracks and now the new Route Scout works with it.
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Re: Route Scout

Post by SAMBA » Aug 22 2015 12:20 pm

@tibber
You change location modes at settings>Location>Mode>Device only. Speaking of "Not sure what you mean", what is this Moto X Pure Edition of which you speak? BTW, do you own either a 1st or 2nd generation Moto X? If so, can you run HAZ Tracks or Route Scout in "High accuracy" mode as Joe B advises?

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Re: Route Scout

Post by SAMBA » Aug 22 2015 12:44 pm

I forgot to mention a key issue in my Moto X problem. My Moto X uses a proprietary version of Android which is the required operating system of Republic Wireless, my cell phone service provider.

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Re: Route Scout

Post by tibber » Aug 22 2015 1:12 pm

SAMBA wrote:@tibber
You change location modes at settings>Location>Mode>Device only. Speaking of "Not sure what you mean", what is this Moto X Pure Edition of which you speak? BTW, do you own either a 1st or 2nd generation Moto X? If so, can you run HAZ Tracks or Route Scout in "High accuracy" mode as Joe B advises?
I forgot to mention a key issue in my Moto X problem. My Moto X uses a proprietary version of Android which is the required operating system of Republic Wireless, my cell phone service provider.
Thank you for info.
Pure Edition is the new Moto X, not tied to any carrier. I'll just insert my current sim? card for Tmobile so I hope there won't be any issues or I'll have to get another phone as Route Scout is one of two reasons I'm getting a new phone.
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Re: Route Scout

Post by chumley » Aug 23 2015 4:46 pm

I'm a bit disappointed/frustrated/angry to report that Route Scout does not work under water. :tt:
*This is the result of user mismanagement and uncontrollable environmental conditions. The app software works great.
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Re: Route Scout

Post by friendofThundergod » Aug 23 2015 5:33 pm

@chumley
I will answer that one for Joe. An underwater version is currently in development the dev team says it should be up and running by Christmas, if anyone has an IPhone six or Android that they would not mind using in the testing phase please send me a P.M.

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Re: Route Scout

Post by joebartels » Aug 23 2015 6:18 pm

@chumley
doh, sorry to hear!

@all iOS users
hiking with an iOS user it came to my attention HAZ Tracks ( Route Scout is the same in this aspect ) loses satellite reception when you take a break. This was probably mentioned, however I didn't fully grasp it as I do not use iOS in the field.

It is fixed in 2.0.22 that will be out in about 2 weeks. In the mean time pause and unpause for breaks or restart the app after your break.
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Re: Route Scout

Post by chumley » Aug 23 2015 9:23 pm

joe bartels wrote: This was probably mentioned
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Re: Route Scout

Post by chumley » Aug 25 2015 11:10 pm

Not sure if this is something other iPhone users have noticed, but in the two uses of RS so far, the audio nature calls do not play. The splits begin with audio announcing what the unplayed nature call was, but at no time has the nature call itself ever played.

This is obviously a feature that is not integral to the operation of RS, which otherwise seems to be working well. But I'd be curious if anybody on iPhone with Route Scout has heard the crow squawk or a coyote howl, etc.
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Re: Route Scout

Post by joebartels » Aug 26 2015 12:18 am

thx, just got it fixed in 2.0.22
- live around Sept 4th

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Re: Route Scout

Post by CannondaleKid » Aug 29 2015 5:10 pm

First, I applaud Joe, the HAZ Dev team, and whoever else had a part in creating/programming Route Scout. Especially for being a free program. Overall it is a great program with plenty of features many others do not have.

That said... as a former software test engineer, particularly one who was charged with finding the most intuitive solutions for software programs, I'm always seeking a better way. So here and now, I still only seek to help make Route Scout a better program, not just for me, but for all users.

(Galaxy S5, Android 5.0, Kernel 3.4.0)
Today was only my second time using Route Scout. The first time out (last week) I wasn't sure if I was doing something wrong or if I was just used to HazTracks. But today I paid more attention to what was happening and it got to be VERY frustrating.

Issue #1
Ok, so I tap the Center icon so that RS will keep me centered on the screen while tracking. Great, that works... but only UNTIL I do one of the following:
- Touch the screen to move the map
- Tap the zoom out icon
- I zoom in or out with a swipe of the fingers
(and possibly any time any other icon is touched?)

After any of the above, the Center icon is now darkened and (which I think means it has cross-hairs in the map center?) the cross-hairs no longer follow along the track where I am. Ok, fine... I'll just tap the Center icon again, only to have it zoom back in to the default zoom. While that may be fine much of the time, but when I WANT it be zoomed out slightly, the cross-hairs it will no longer keep tracking me.

For my use, I'd rather have the default to center on me as it tracks me, with "Center Map" to be enabled only when I wish it to be.

Issue #2
While RS is recording and I'm viewing the screen, when I zoom by spreading (or closing) my fingers on the screen and let go, it appears to zoom back one notch. I seem to recall it zooming farther back, when I'm zooming in than zooming out. Ok, so zoom it again... fine, but it should do that.
[NOTE: It does not appear to do it when I'm just Viewing a track, not actually tracking}

Issue #3
While hiking to a point on the map was labeled 7367 feet in elevation, Route Scout displayed 7267, exactly 100 feet less. I consulted my GPS and it had it pegged as the map stated, 7367. Ok, no big deal, I'll check the track elevation it when I get home,thinking who knows if the AEG will be correct.

I uploaded the track and found the track to be accurate, 7367. Now I don't know how it all works, whether its the mapping, the phone, or something in the programming?? All I know is that it was off 100 feet.

Issue #4
Ok, maybe not a 'bug', but usability could be improved.
While tracking is in progress and I select the square on the top left, the only choices are Save and Cancel. Why isn't there a Delete? As in, I want to stop tracking but I do NOT want to save the track.
Sure, I can save it, select it, select delete, and confirm the deletion. But that's too many steps when it could be just delete and confirm.

Issue #5
Now I'll admit this one is a pure wish...
It would be nice to have FS Topo loaded as the default map whenever a complete track is in a National Forest. (Or the option to choose which map when loading the map while online)
The map I was dealing with today (CalTopo or MyTopo?) was of no help when I came to a road and wondered if in fact it WAS a designated forest road or not.
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Re: Route Scout

Post by joebartels » Aug 29 2015 9:43 pm

thx Mark

1) can be fixed, thx for the heads up
2) tried it while recording, only see that going past min/max which it should
3) smartphones are NOT great at elevation
4) same as HAZ Tracks except in RS labels were added above buttons. upper left "finish", upper right "menu"
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Re: Route Scout

Post by CannondaleKid » Aug 30 2015 9:04 am

joe bartels wrote:3) smartphones are NOT great at elevation
I don't doubt that at all. However, in this instance, if that was the case, why did the saved track have the correct elevation?

If the phone was in fact, incorrect at that time, could it be once the track is imported to Route Cloud that it is somehow 'corrected' against the map overlay?
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Re: Route Scout

Post by chumley » Aug 30 2015 9:21 am

CannondaleKid wrote:
joe bartels wrote:why did the saved track have the correct elevation?
As with HAZ tracks before it, route scout automatically syncs the track elevation when saved to route cloud.
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Re: Route Scout

Post by CannondaleKid » Aug 30 2015 9:27 am

@chumley Thanks! It makes sense now...
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Re: Route Scout

Post by ddgrunning » Sep 02 2015 2:45 pm

After I download a route and select "follow / load off-line maps," the following dialog appears:
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what's the difference between selecting "yes" or "no."

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Re: Route Scout

Post by joebartels » Sep 02 2015 2:58 pm

Maybe I need to reword it differently. Offline maps can only be added for 1 route. When setting for a new route it deletes any (if any) maps loaded for previous routes. It's just asking to be sure that you want to replace the maps.
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