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What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 11 2020 7:25 pm
by joebartels
Oh boy another moderated topic with zero chance for an agreeable logic solution :y:
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When I started hiking I stumbled onto mankind's desire to leave a trace. Signature, date, basically everything except a dna strand and a self addressed stamped envelope to reply. Oh boy, proof and a little self tarzan fist to chest bump that I've been on Peak 1, Peak 2, etc.

Likewise stumbled upon opposition on the majority of controversial traits within years too. Least of which is probably signing a summit register. A chucked register off Brown's Peak got my attention because I found it traversing to Brown's Brother. Otherwise it probably would not have left a lasting impression. Moving litter? out of sight is okay...lol
Figure some want less people, some do not want "those kind of people", etc. Imagine there are more viewpoints than I'm aware.

My blood doesn't boil enough to get excited either way. Over the years I find if someone passes the summit register I might sign it. Other times I decline. Yet I'll look for the register if someone else is interested. If I soloed it might be a nice trace if tragedy knocked on the door soon after.

Knick knacks seem like total trash to me but I was dumbfounded by some that think it's cool.

Re: What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 11 2020 7:51 pm
by chumley
Whatever the land owner or management agency puts there or permits somebody else to put there.

Re: What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 11 2020 8:21 pm
by Jim_H
I preferred Humphrey before the new sign came back. Registers are ok, but busy peaks might have them filled with trash.

I was just thinking that Camelback didn't have a Christmas tree on it this December, I think, when I was there. I was pleased.

Re: What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 11 2020 8:57 pm
by outdoor_lover
It's interesting. Elephant Head is a good example. Although it's interesting and somewhat funny, none of those "trinkets" are contained, so they can end up all over the place around there. If there's a Register, in an ammo box for example and someone leaves a ladybug in it at ladybug peak, I generally don't have a problem with it. A mailbox and a bench. Interesting, but I could do without. A Mailbox advertising someone's Instagram Account is just stupid and I hate it. It's just for personal attention and gain. It looks trashy and he literally bolted that thing in the rock. That's permanent damage in my book. People are actually liking what he did. But with that said, I know of some Decals that end up on Registers and on Outhouse Doors too. I put a business card in a register simply because I didn't have any paper. So I can't say I'm immune either. There used to be a Bench at the Weaver's Overlook, but it was taken out pretty fast. It's a very photogenic spot and who wants a damn bench in their Image?

Monuments and Plaques for lost loved ones. I'm sorry, but I don't really like those either. If you want to memorialize someone on a Peak, bury some ashes and plant a prickly pear or something native to the area.

Re: What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 11 2020 9:24 pm
by big_load
I'd prefer nothing. I can live with a discretely implemented summit register, but it's been a while since I signed one. Plaques, mailboxes, benches, etc., are too much.

Re: What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 12 2020 9:25 am
by The_Dude
I tend towards limited impact and leave no trace. That being said, I don't see a big problem with an ammo can or jar for summit registers. I will attest to signing in quite a few over the years, since one of my main hiking interests is peak bagging, and I do most of them solo. I do enjoy reading through some of the logs on harder to reach summits such as Battleship. It is fun to find some of the folks that i have connected with here on HAZ. I would agree that some of the curios get to be a bit much, like old power bars and such that get left in them. As long as they are within the box I think it is OK, if things start to overflow then it just becomes trash in the wilderness which I think most can do without. Honestly, I am usually more excited to find a survey disk than a summit log though.

Re: What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 12 2020 10:42 am
by gummo
A summit register is a way to share your experience with others and see who else was there and when.
Xmas stuff is okay for city summits that kids can do.
I probably depends on the summit on what's acceptable.
The mailbox on Picketpost was an attraction (kind of like the shoe tree), but a mailbox on additional peak would not be appealing. Self-closure: I was glad to see the mailbox go and disappointed to see it return. A telescope would have been better replacement.

Re: What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 12 2020 10:46 am
by CannondaleKid
The_Dude wrote:I am usually more excited to find a survey disk than a summit log though.
I feel the same way.
If a summit log was present, I'd log an entry, if not, so what, it wasn't why I was there in the first place. I got into peak-bagging as the impetus to hike to destinations I would otherwise have no reason to go, enjoying the scenery along the way, yup even if thick and/or thorny vegetation came as part of the deal.

Re: What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 13 2020 9:06 pm
by ShatteredArm
gummo wrote:
Feb 12 2020 10:42 am
Xmas stuff is okay for city summits that kids can do.
I kind of disagree with this. Not to be "the grinch" or anything, but not everybody wants to see litter on the summits, no matter how "festive" it is... And not everybody celebrates the same festivities. "Leave no trace", no matter how small the summit, or the time of year.

Re: What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 14 2020 7:19 am
by CannondaleKid
ShatteredArm wrote:"Leave no trace", no matter how small the summit, or the time of year.
On private land?
Obviously it's up to the land owner.
On public land?
I'm fine with nothing but benchmarks, reference marks and azimuths.
As far as I am aware, memorials, trinkets, crosses, mailboxes, etc., are not legal on Federal public lands. And further, anything like hunting blinds, tree stands, etc., which have been left more than ten days are considered abandoned and subject to removal, whether by Federal officials or by anyone, as in finders keepers. If I recall, AZ Game & Fish told me the same thing goes on State 'public' land as well.
(I jotted down the relevant Federal regulation some time back but can't seem find it now)

Re: What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 14 2020 8:03 am
by gummo
ShatteredArm wrote:
Feb 13 2020 9:06 pm
gummo wrote:
Feb 12 2020 10:42 am
Xmas stuff is okay for city summits that kids can do.
I kind of disagree with this. Not to be "the grinch" or anything, but not everybody wants to see litter on the summits, no matter how "festive" it is... And not everybody celebrates the same festivities. "Leave no trace", no matter how small the summit, or the time of year.
Well someone's getting coal in his stocking this Xmas.

Just kidding. I prefer a summit without Xmas stuff myself, but if it makes some people happy a few weeks out of the year and gets kids and their parents outside and exercising together, then I'm good with it IMO. Xmas stuff to me is a Xmas tree with ornaments. Ornaments scattered randomly is trash.

Re: What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 14 2020 9:11 am
by Tough_Boots
I actually think the christmas stuff is the worst. A lot of people don't celebrate Christmas and to assume that everyone wants to be confronted with your religious holiday (especially on a hike) is absolutely ignorant.

Re: What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 14 2020 9:34 am
by chumley
Tough_Boots wrote:
Feb 14 2020 9:11 am
religious holiday
I truly admire your skill at stirring the pot. :y: But Christmas trees are not religious symbols. Just like this isn't offensive to non-Christians. :sweat:
Now let's get back to discussing the actual topic instead of what qualifies as a religious symbol.

Re: What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 14 2020 10:20 am
by LosDosSloFolks
Christmas is a public holiday, (recognized as a National holiday in the U.S.) celebrating the birth of a known historical figure. I believe it to be as much a secular holiday as it is a religious holiday to Christians.

Re: What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 14 2020 1:05 pm
by survivordude
Humans are everywhere but trash is trash.

2000 years from now, they will be artifacts people are looking for.

Re: What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 14 2020 5:02 pm
by Nighthiker
Just a scuffed rock from a boot.

Re: What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 14 2020 6:07 pm
by ShatteredArm
gummo wrote:
Feb 14 2020 8:03 am
Xmas stuff to me is a Xmas tree with ornaments. Ornaments scattered randomly is trash.
The problem is an ornament on a tree, when confronted by the right amount of wind, becomes an ornament scattered randomly.

Re: What belongs on a peak or overlook?

Posted: Feb 15 2020 11:01 pm
by nonot
Q:What belongs on a peak or overlook?

A:Great views.