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State Parks

Posted: Feb 01 2009 6:32 am
by Tortoise_Hiker
"Say it aint so Joe" Is it true that the State budget cuts include closing FIVE State Parks? :(

Re: State Parks

Posted: Feb 23 2010 4:32 pm
by big_load
tibber wrote:Warren Meyer was on TV today saying he was interested in trying to get contracts to rent the parks and run them. I found this about his company: http://camprrm.com/
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Is he the Secretary of State, brought to you by Carl's Jr.?

Re: State Parks

Posted: Feb 23 2010 10:23 pm
by Jeffshadows
Oh great; just what we need!! :o

Re: State Parks

Posted: Mar 03 2010 6:23 pm
by jmzblond
Next Board Meeting March 17, 2010 at Apache Junction City Council Chambers

Arizona State Parks keeps 9 Parks Open, 13 More Will Close.

The Arizona State Parks Board on January 15 voted to keep nine parks open and close the remaining thirteen State Parks in a phased series of closures starting February 22, 2010 due to six different State Parks funds being swept of $8.6 million. In addition, four parks remain closed due to previous budget reductions.

Parks closed on February 22 included Lyman Lake State Park and Homolovi Ruins State Park.

The next park closings will occur on March 29, 2010 and will include Fort Verde State Historic Park in Camp Verde, Roper Lake State Park in Safford, Tombstone Courthouse State Historic Park, Yuma Territorial Prison State Historic Park, Tubac Presidio State Historic Park, and Riordan Mansion State Historic Park in Flagstaff.

The final phased closings will occur on June 3, 2010 and will include Tonto Natural Bridge State Park near Payson, Alamo Lake State Park in Wenden, Lost Dutchman State Park in Apache Junction, Picacho Peak State Park and Red Rock State Park in Sedona.

The nine parks that will remain open are ones that generate the most revenue back into the parks operating revolving funds. The parks that will remain open include Buckskin Mountain State Park in Parker, Catalina State Park near Tucson, Cattail Cove State Park in Lake Havasu City, Dead Horse Ranch State Park in Cottonwood, Fool Hollow Lake Recreation Area in Show Low, Kartchner Caverns State Park in Benson, Lake Havasu State Park, Patagonia Lake State Park and Slide Rock State Park in Sedona.

The remaining parks will continue their agreements with other entities or will be passively managed by an adjacent park. These include Boyce Thompson Arboretum State Park in Superior, Sonoita Creek State Natural Area, Verde River Greenway State Natural Area and Yuma Quartermaster Depot State Historic Park.

Four parks would remain closed. These include Jerome State Historic Park, McFarland State Historic Park in Florence, Oracle State Park, and San Rafael State Natural Area.

For more information about the 27 State Parks, statewide hiking opportunities, off-highway vehicle trails, and other outdoor recreational and cultural opportunities in Arizona, call (602) 542-4174 (outside of the Phoenix metro area call toll-free 800-285-3703) or visit AZStateParks.com. Follow us on twitter.com/AZStateParks.

Re: State Parks

Posted: Mar 04 2010 8:35 am
by Jeffshadows
I wonder when the other shoe will drop, though. My understanding is that the next few projected budget years are even worse than this one! :o

Re: State Parks

Posted: Mar 04 2010 9:20 am
by dysfunction
yep, we'll see parks closed, education gutted, lousy roads etc etc etc.. and then the taxbase will drain from the state

Re: State Parks

Posted: Mar 04 2010 9:51 am
by Dschur
Breakthrough reached in Tonto Bridge talks
Payson, State Parks near deal to keep park open this summer
By Pete Aleshire

March 2, 2010

Payson and Arizona State Parks officials have made a “breakthrough” in efforts to keep Tonto Natural Bridge open all summer.

The State Parks Board will likely act on the proposed agreement March 18 allowing Payson to take over operation of the world’s largest travertine arch for the key summer travel months, said Payson Mayor Kenny Evans.

State Parks officials have identified a potential source of funding to pay the nearly $1 million in balloon payments for purchase of the property due this year and next, clearing the major hurdle to an agreement to keep the park open, said Evans.

Meanwhile, Payson officials have identified donors and volunteer groups that can contribute the roughly $30,000 in additional funds needed to keep the park open in the course of the summer.

“It’s a major step forward,” said Evans. “We’ve arrived at a general agreement on whatever it takes to keep it open under the current plan.”

The Friends of Tonto Natural Bridge will meet this week to discuss fund-raising plans. “Between their help and other private help, we’ll be able to keep it open without tapping into Town of Payson funds,” said Evans.

State Parks officials have now completed the structural and roof repairs on the historic lodge, which once housed guests and a restaurant and has provided space for the gift shop since the State State Parks took over. If volunteers can apply the final finishing touches on the inside, the lodge can reopen as a money-making gift shop.

The current plan would provide a way to pay for the two park rangers and perhaps other state park employees to stay on past the planned June closing. The Friends of Tonto Natural Bridge and the existing core of park volunteers would augment the state parks staff, which would remain in charge under the temporary arrangement.

Long-term solution unknown

However, the town and the State Parks Board would continue to negotiate concerning the park’s long-term future, which Payson hopes will include a private contractor that could operate the park, invest in money-making improvements like opening the lodge to overnight visitors, adding cabins and operating a campground.

“State Parks employees would continue to handle all the money (in the interim agreement this summer). We’re simply finding a pile of money to assist with operating costs so we can continue through the summer, which will hopefully buy us enough time to negotiate a longer-term solution,” said Evans. “Ultimately, we want to not only re-open the park, but to open a bigger, better park.”

The deal could provide crucial support for the summer travel season in a Rim Country economy lopsidedly dependent on tourism, with the construction sector still all but dead.

International tourists

The best-known tourist attraction in Rim Country internationally, Tonto Natural Bridge at its peak drew more than 93,000 visitors annually pumping $3.6 million into the local economy. Weekday closures last year and an avalanche of publicity about state park woes cut visitation to just 65,000.

The park had nearly reached economic break-even at peak visitation, but the deficit has gaped wider as visitation fell. State Parks’ figures put the cost of operating the park at some $170,000 annually, most of that for staffing costs.

The state has identified a source of funding for the $450,000 payment due by June, with a final payment of about $500,000 to complete purchase of the site next year. Without those final two payments, the park might have reverted to the family group that agreed to sell it to the state nearly a decade ago.

Access improved

The bridge operated for many years as a privately run attraction, with a spring-fed swimming pool, a pick-your-own orchard, cabins, lodge, restaurant and a campground. The state significantly improved access by paving the steep, narrow road down into the canyon, but shut down most of the additional, profit-making elements for lack of maintenance money.

The state Legislature has repeatedly swept operating and maintenance funds for state parks, swallowing up even accounts fed by gate fees. The State Parks system in the last 15 years has nearly doubled the number of sites open to the public, but the most recent round of legislative cuts have reduced the operating budget to levels lower than they stood a decade ago.

As a result, the State Parks Board recently voted to close most of the parks in the system, leaving open a handful of money-making parks — including Kartchner Caverns, Slide Rock in Sedona and several camping and boating parks along the Colorado River.

Cities and towns have been scrambling to find ways to keep nearby parks open. Yuma has already taken over operation of a historic waterfront park there.

Volunteers raising money

Evans said volunteer and fund-raising efforts of the Friends of Tonto Natural Bridge will prove crucial. Private donors have already promised the bulk of the $20,000 to $30,000 needed to keep the park open. The Friends will have to raise roughly $7,000 in additional funding. In addition, park supporters hope to mount a “media” blitz including billboards along Highway 87 to make sure summer travelers know the bridge will remain open all season.

Meanwhile, the town will continue to negotiate with the State Parks Board about the future of the soaring, cavernous arch that groundwater and Pine Creek have dissolved in a massive cliff-face of limestone.

Water has dissolved a great passage through the solid cliff face, with a stream running through the middle from one travertine-tinted pool to another. Inside the great arch, water drips from fractures in a ceiling so distant that it seems like a continual pattering of rain.

“I think we’re covered in the current budget scenario,” said Evans.

“If the state budget deteriorates further, then we have Plan B ready,” which would involve finding a private concessionaire to take over operations. “We have multiple concessionaire interested now.”

Re: State Parks

Posted: Mar 04 2010 12:43 pm
by JimmyLyding
Just wait until the wingnuts who run our legislature try to sell off our state's roads. This recession has been a gift for them because it's given them cover to try these whacky schemes. Now that they've gotten the really important issues out of the way (allowing firearms in bars, winnowing-down abortion rights, and getting a law that requires any candidate for the President of the United States to prove his/her US citizenship to the Arizona Secretary of State before he/she's allowed to appear on ballots in our fair state....I'm not making this up, but I wish I were) the state of Arizona is going to be Ground Zero for implementation of the Grover Norquist theory: get the government small enough to drown it in a bathtub...and then drown it.
The bad news is that we're all going to pay the price. The good news is that in 10 years I predict that the wingnuts will be politically marginalized in this state once people figure out that outsourcing as many governmental functions as possible is a really really bad idea.

Re: State Parks

Posted: Mar 04 2010 4:41 pm
by Jeffshadows
Just to add to what James said, ask me about what a great job all of the $400,00+/year contractors were doing in Iraq and Afghanistan...I'll tell you all about how well "outsourcing" works!! :?

Re: State Parks

Posted: Mar 04 2010 5:55 pm
by Jeffshadows
I just saw a local news story about some of the education cutbacks and I'm reminded of these song lyrics:

"Unemployment
In the millions
Fifty thousand
Dead civilians
Media lies
Words of deceit
Our retirement
Lost on wall-street
"

Re: State Parks

Posted: Mar 04 2010 8:49 pm
by dysfunction
Hrm....


I was thinking...

"In a sluggish economy
Inflation, Recession,
Hits the Land of the Free.
Standing on an employment line.
Blame the government for hard times.

We just get by, however we can.
We all gotta duck when the pumpkin hits the fan."

Amazing how much I'm reminded of the early 80's :o

Re: State Parks

Posted: Mar 05 2010 10:52 am
by azbackpackr
Early 80s I was living the good life: On my own land, far from a town, with no electricity, phone or running water, in a one-room cabin I built myself with hand tools, in Hawaii. What recession? :)

I just got on unemployment yesterday! I had two part time jobs, lost one of them. You do it all online now, and over the phone. You never even see a live person.

Re: State Parks

Posted: Mar 05 2010 11:53 am
by Jeffshadows
azbackpackr wrote:I just got on unemployment yesterday! I had two part time jobs, lost one of them. You do it all online now, and over the phone. You never even see a live person.
That's awful, Liz! :(

Re: State Parks

Posted: Mar 14 2010 11:38 am
by outdoorsman74
I have not read all the posts yet, but if no one has mentioned it there are 13 state parks closing in arizona. The list can be found the azstateparks.gov website.

Re: State Parks

Posted: Mar 14 2010 12:01 pm
by azbackpackr
Oh, yeah, we're aware. Very unfortunate, isn't it? Welcome to the site, by the way!

Re: State Parks

Posted: Mar 14 2010 1:09 pm
by outdoorsman74
thanks, I am hoping to make some new friends here. After four years in the military and driving coast to coast for over 10 years, my amount of friends have declined somewhat due to never being around. Now I am ready to hit the trails again, do some fishing, hiking, camping, and things like that, but now the few friends I have are married with families and no time.

Re: State Parks

Posted: Mar 14 2010 8:17 pm
by Jeffshadows
Welcome from a fellow veteran... :)

Re: State Parks

Posted: Mar 15 2010 3:47 am
by azbackpackr
I like your Jeep!! Stick around, and try to go on some of the posted events, and you will meet some people!

Hike at Lost Dutchman in protest of State Park closings!

Posted: Mar 15 2010 10:23 am
by mommy23inaz
Hey, follow this link to the FB page for a hike out at Lost Dutchman State Park on Sunday, March 21st!!!! Come out and support our State Parks!
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=359475948159

Re: State Parks

Posted: Mar 16 2010 2:13 pm
by Thoreau
big_load wrote:
tibber wrote:Warren Meyer was on TV today saying he was interested in trying to get contracts to rent the parks and run them. I found this about his company: http://camprrm.com/
](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

Is he the Secretary of State, brought to you by Carl's Jr.?
Sure, Not. :)

Re: State Parks

Posted: Mar 18 2010 8:04 am
by azdesertfather
Arizona parks system's future in doubt

Casey Newton
The Arizona Republic
Mar. 18, 2010


Arizona's parks system is limping into the next fiscal year with few assurances it will exist after June 30, the result of lawmakers reducing its budget by nearly 80 percent since 2007.

Lawmakers cut an additional $3.9 million in the special session that adjourned Tuesday. Efforts to save the system through legislation have stalled. And while discussions continue, parks continue to close.

Tubac Presidio State Historic Park is scheduled to close March 29, but at least six more will be kept open by transferring their costs to community partners. Homolovi Ruins and Lyman Lake state parks closed in February at a cost of nearly $200,000.

In 2007, the system included 30 parks and recreation areas and had a budget of $66 million. The system draws more than 2 million annual visitors, and a Northern Arizona University study put its economic benefit to state and local governments at $266 million a year.

But after a series of cuts, including the $3.9 million in fund transfers approved Tuesday, the system's budget is roughly $15 million. By June 30, officials expect to operate just nine parks - and that's only if they can get a loan from the state.

If Gov. Jan Brewer signs the bills as expected by Saturday, parks still will need special legislation for a $3 million loan to cover operating expenses after June 30.

Uncertainty over the system's future has led to an outcry from residents, who complain that Brewer and GOP lawmakers have resisted alternatives that would save the park system.

"This is our worst nightmare," said Bill Thornton, a member of the Arizona Heritage Alliance, a non-profit group that supports parks.

Parks supporters say they have called and e-mailed dozens of lawmakers and the governor in an effort to promote House Concurrent Resolution 2040, a measure that would ask voters to establish a $12 fee to be paid at the time of vehicle registration. Motorists could enter all state parks without additional charge, and the fee would create a long-term revenue source.

The measure has been held in the Appropriations Committee by its chairman, Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills. Kavanagh said it would not work because the Arizona Constitution requires license-plate fees to be spent on roads.

But Kavanagh, who called the parks "our state treasures," said he will sponsor legislation next week allowing motorists to donate $10 to the system when they register their cars.

"If the parks advocates are correct, and there is overwhelming support for the parks, the voluntary donations should raise what they need," he said.

Still, residents bristled at lawmakers' absence from parks board meetings over the past year.

"I wish these legislators could be here and hear this outpouring of support from people whose parks are so precious to them," said Thornton, who was among dozens of residents who traveled to Apache Junction on Wednesday for a meeting of the parks board. "They're the ones who need to listen to this. And it speaks volumes, in a way, that they're not here."

Roxanne Cheney, a member of the Friends of Roper Lake, said she pleaded with Brewer to keep parks open during a recent appearance in Safford.

"She was adamant that there was no other choice but to close parks," Cheney said. "We mentioned that this is about jobs, jobs, jobs. This is revenue-producing. . . . But that went right over her head."

In an e-mail, Brewer spokesman Paul Senseman said some parks had to be closed to accommodate a $4 billion budget deficit.

With help from lawmakers seemingly in doubt, the parks board on Wednesday voted to transfer to community partners the costs of keeping five parks open:

- Fort Verde State Historic Park to Camp Verde, for one year with options for two more. Camp Verde will pay the board $105,000 to operate it next year.

- Yuma State Historic Park to Yuma, which will operate the park for three years with options for six more.

- Tombstone Courthouse State Historic Park to Tombstone, which will operate the park for three years with options for four more.

- Riordan Mansion in Flagstaff to the Arizona Historical Society, which will operate the park for three years with options for six more.

- Tonto Natural Bridge to Payson until at least Sept. 27. Payson will pay the board $25,000 to operate it until September. A long-term agreement is under discussion.

The board also approved a two-month extension in the operations of Roper Lake State Park under an agreement with the Department of Game and Fish. The park had been set to close March 29.

Parks officials also are pursuing agreements with Apache Junction to keep Lost Dutchman State Park open and will meet today with Eloy officials about Picacho Peak State Park. Both parks are scheduled to close June 3.

With the 2011 budget passed and awaiting Brewer's signature, time is running out for the parks staff to get legislation passed to keep the system intact.

"The session is in a dead sprint," said Jay Ziemann, assistant parks director and the system's lobbyist. "Members have very little interest any more in being down at the state Capitol."

Adding further uncertainty to the budget is the fact that the Joint Legislative Budget Committee has yet to approve about $4.2 million in fund transfers needed to pay for operating expenses.

The parks staff generated those funds by canceling grants and capital projects.

The system's fate will be clearer at the parks board meeting next month, said Renee Bahl, the parks director.

Board members are not optimistic.

"We're so depressed up here, I don't think we can even answer a question," said the board's chairman, Reese Woodling, after a bleak presentation from Kent Ennis, parks budget director.

"I don't know how I can keep doing this every month," Ennis replied.

Woodling threw his hands up.

"It just keeps getting worse and worse," he said.