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So when does Snowbird bow season open and what is the limit?

sam_hikes wrote:Is 30 hikers some magic number as somehow NPS also decided they would allow up to a maximum of 30 rim-rim GC dayhikers under the special SUP permit.

The magic number in a designated wilderness is 15.

@big_load
That's not even magic. It's not specified in the law, and different agencies establish different rules. In fact the same agencies enact different rules. Fifteen is the most common number that I've seen for Forest Service managed wildernesses. In Aravaipa, BLM has a 10 person limit. Coconino has no posted group limits on the Red Rock District, though Kachina Peaks has an oft-ignored 15 person limit posted at the trailhead for Humphreys.

@friendofThundergod
I admit I find myself ranting about this more than is healthy. I often find myself reflecting on this - especially when out hiking with a buddy. In the end I always come to the conclusion: at least they are getting outdoors even if it's ruining the experience for myself and others a bit!

@chumley
True, but I'm not aware of any wilderness where the limit is larger than 15.

I've seen groups as large as 60 (in matching t-shirts) on the Black Mesa Loop, but I try not to think about it if possible.

@big_load
I believe I've seen 20 and 30 as limits before. And some specify "beating hearts" in their limit, which means the total number includes people, pets, and stock. And none of it matters because except for where permits are issued there is nobody enforcing the rules anyway.

When I did Battleship in the Supes earlier this month, there was a group of 30+ seniors just getting off on a group hike. There was a ranger at the TH and he said nothing regarding the group size. I did not figure it a big concern since they were doing a short hike, and did not seem to have an air of belligerence about them...all were appropriately geared up for hiking and no pets.

big_load wrote:I've seen groups as large as 60 (in matching t-shirts)

That is just impressive from an organizational standpoint.

wildwesthikes wrote: ↑Jan 22 2020 11:49 am

big_load wrote:I've seen groups as large as 60 (in matching t-shirts)

That is just impressive from an organizational standpoint.

True, but it really sucks when you're going the opposite direction from them.

Outdoor ethics tip:
If you are in a group that is stranded in the wilderness with no food, it's okay to turn to cannibalism to survive, but you must wait for the others to die before eating them.

@gummo

gummo wrote:If you are in a group that is stranded in the wilderness with no food, it's okay to turn to cannibalism to survive, but you must wait for the others to die before eating them.

If you're in a very large group, please feel free to start immediately.

@gummo
That's information I could've used a time or two!

@Mountain_Rat
Don't forget the fava beans and a nice Chianti.

@LosDosSloFolks

FAVA BEANS!?! EEEWWW!! The thought of putting those in my mouth is revolting.

@Mountain_Rat
Tell it to Hannibal.

@LosDosSloFolks
It would seem that he has no culinary sense about him. Human is best served with with greens and a light starch such as herbed rice.

@Mountain_Rat
No further debate from me. The Mountain Rat has taken this thread to a very disturbing place.

@LosDosSloFolks
Well... Ya know... I try, and while it's a lot of work, I'm truly happy to oblige.

@Mountain_Rat
Do you have a suggested wine pairing?

@Jim_H
Yes! Thanks for asking. While the Chianti would be perfectly fine in this case, I would personally go with a nice Merlot.