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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10 ... cials?lite

It doesn't stop...unrelated event of climber in CA felling a Juniper to "improve" a climbing route: ( 2018-08-28 dead link removed )

Boy Scouts dismiss leaders who toppled 170 million year old rock formation in national park as it's revealed one of the men has links to convicted murderer Jodi Arias

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Arias.html

Another Lance Armstrong... does the deed with nothing in mind but self-acclaim, lies about it, gets caught, offers lame apology. Oh yeah, a real professional... NOT!

Just like the Goblin tipper, it's time for a hefty fine and jail time as a deterrent. If these guys are let off with a hand slap the same thing will continue.

In this case, based on how many in the climbing community have responded maybe he will lose some or all of his sponsors.

The goblin toppling and juniper cutting are all totally different issues. And as for bringing Lance Armstrong into the discussion-- I believe CannondaleKid just managed to make a huge statement about two sports he doesn't apparently understand.

Tough_Boots wrote:The goblin toppling and juniper cutting are all totally different issues.

I think they are both forms of deliberate vandalism...and the Armstrong analogy I think....had to do more about the person and not the sport. But thats just how I read it. Maybe there is some more sinister motive

I think one was intentional vandalism and one was just ignorant. As far as Lance Armstrong-- maybe I really just cringed at the use of "NOT!" and couldn't stop myself from responding rudely ;)

I guess the BSA of Utah decided to deepen the gene pool.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8655 ... -rock.html

:SB:
Sorry, sometimes my mind works on a number of different levels (and different topics) at the same time so it's easy to jumble them all together... at least I knew what I was saying ;)

Tough_Boots wrote:I think one was intentional vandalism and one was just ignorant

I looked at both (goblin toppling & Juniper cutting) in a similar vein... while I feel the toppling was more like vandalism, both were intentional, both were ignorant, neither really thought out the consequences and it appears both sought adulation of some kind... and it appears both got it, albeit a bit different than intended.

Tough_Boots wrote:As far as Lance Armstrong-- maybe I really just cringed at the use of "NOT!" and couldn't stop myself from responding rudely ;)

I hear ya... Actually the NOT! was directed at the climber being referred to as a professional.

But now in the comparison to Lance... These are the type of folks I feel are doing harm by being very poor role models for the younger generation to look up to. Yes, they probably both worked hard to get where they did (yes I'm sure, Lance worked a LOT harder than Joe the climber) but bending the rules along the way... what was it all for?

Newsflash... it was all about the accolades, the money, the women, the trophies, you name it...
I know some attempt to sugar coat it to delude themselves that it was about proving to themselves I can do this, and I can do it very well! But it WASN'T, they know deep down they cheated themselves. If they can live with that... well then it seems they did it for the fame & fortune.

CannondaleKid wrote:These are the type of folks I feel are doing harm by being very poor role models for the younger generation to look up to.

Maybe I'm alone in this but I don't feel that following your passion automatically obligates you to be any kind of role model. People need to learn to stop being so offended whenever the more adventurous people they live vicariously through do something they don't like.

Tough_Boots wrote:Maybe I'm alone

You're never alone here in Hazland . People may disagree with you. In this case, I totally agree with what you said here

Hikebot is my role model. It better not ever let me down. I'd be scarred for life.

Tough_Boots wrote:I don't feel that following your passion automatically obligates you to be any kind of role model.

I don't either. Whether it automatically obligates one or not, let's face it, in this day and age of instant news and fame, when you get to the top of your job, profession, sport or whatever, younger folks may look up to you and seek to emulate you.

Now if that were me they looked up to? I'd choose something positive. We all have the same choice... if you want to be famous I think it's better to be known for something good than bad, although again, with our sleazy news outlets (please let's not start in with that... ;) ) the bad will very likely be more well-known than the good.

Tough_Boots wrote:People need to learn to stop being so offended whenever the more adventurous people they live vicariously through do something they don't like.

Well said... I'm not offended at all by what other more adventurous people do, it's just when they do it in a way that looks bad for their sport that I feel is inappropriate. In the case of the climber, by his actions it could lead to closing more areas to climbing, which hurts the climbing community as a whole. So as much as he sought the adulation, even feeling giddy when he thought he was getting a positive email about what he accomplished, well I'd say, he flat out blew it!

As one who has been in the various sporting communities at one time or another (in-line skating, road biking, mountain biking and hiking) I'm amazed at how one group looks down at the other groups like they are somehow better. Having seen it from all sides, I still have to laugh at some of the attitudes I encountered and also the amount of bad-mouthing one group said about the other groups.

I don't bad-mouth groups as a whole, just the idiots and ignorants who give their sport a bad name.

Two men whose involvement in toppling a rock formation in Goblin Valley State Park were formally charged Friday.

Read more at http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=2856152 ... qwcva3Q.99
http://www.ksl.com/?sid=28561529&nid=14 ... id=queue-3

But ... but ... but ... It was a hazard! plz:

Slap on the wrist:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -deal.html

@kingsnake

Well there is a chance the fine will be nice and high.......they really should have had some jail time associated with that though....some community service is also in the cards......hopefully lots of time spent maintaining the trails....sad.

Kwai Chang wrote:@kingsnake

Well there is a chance the fine will be nice and high.......they really should have had some jail time associated with that though....some community service is also in the cards......hopefully lots of time spent maintaining the trails....sad.

Yeah, I agree, if only because it could send a message to others. As for those guys, there's no actual HOPE, since you can't fix stupid.

You can't fix stupid.

Sredfield wrote:You can't fix stupid.

Um, didn't I just say that?

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