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Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Nov 09 2009 11:01 pm
by hippiepunkpirate
I'm thinking about getting into level DSLR, hopefully around Christmas. Because I have a BestBuy credit card that allows zero interest for the first few months, I'm kind of limited to what they have in stock. I'd prefer to not spend more than $600, but would be willing to spend up to $800 for a worthwhile camera. So basically, at this point I've narrowed it down to the Canon Rebel XS and the Nikon D3000. Both cameras have great reviews on the BestBuy website, and elsewhere it seems. Any thoughts, opinions, other ideas (Joel, Nick, Joe, et. al)?

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Nov 12 2009 4:45 pm
by hippiepunkpirate
sundevilstormin wrote:here's how I roll
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2478/409 ... cd5a68.jpg

hahaha
"This photo is currently unavailable" :?

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Nov 12 2009 6:35 pm
by sundevilstormin

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Nov 12 2009 7:20 pm
by joebartels
I had a couple quick access setups in this thread
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3111
quick enough to get shots like these
http://hikearizona.com/phoZOOM.php?ZIP=56891
http://hikearizona.com/x.php?I=19&u=2

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Nov 13 2009 9:33 am
by hippiepunkpirate
sundevilstormin wrote:http://www.flickr.com/photos/sundevilst ... 099497746/
That's hardcore!
joe bartels wrote:I had a couple quick access setups in this thread
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3111
I like the simplicity of that setup.

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Nov 13 2009 1:46 pm
by hippiepunkpirate
So the good news is I'm moving back out of my parents house next week. The bad news is with rent, deposits, all my other bills plus Christmas and New Years approaching, I'm going to have to put off getting a DSLR :( . Maybe for my birthday in February :pray:

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Nov 15 2009 9:09 pm
by Al_HikesAZ
Dang Norm - when you carry all that photo gear with your halogen lighting system and generator it strikes me that you don't have much room left to carry Tequila. We have to work on your priorities. There's hiking for hiking's sake, hiking for photographys sake and then there's the most important - hiking for Tequila's sake (or Sake's sake if you're so inclined) or Boddington's sake for some folks I know.

HPP - well worth the transition. I would gladly buy my kids a dSLR if they moved out. ;)

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Nov 16 2009 6:03 pm
by sundevilstormin
Tequila, no.

Yerba mate Taragui sin palo, Si!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sundevilst ... 927140165/
(just add water)

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Nov 17 2009 1:09 am
by gringoantonio
sundevilstormin wrote:to Gringoantonio - BIG thanks for the Ron Bigelow articles - the section on sharpening masks was exactly what I have been looking for... a wealth of info in there :bigth:
De nada, amigo.

I've created some sharpening actions based on his methods. I use them on every image I print. I've done side by side comparisons (on screen and in print from 100% to 400% blowup) with the RB-based sharpening actions I created and others that are created and sold by PS professionals. None of those actions compare to the RB based sharpening actions. All his tutorials, though they can be overwhelming for any PS novice, are probably the most useful I've ever found online. Especially for anyone interested in landscape photography.

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Nov 20 2009 6:31 pm
by gringoantonio
Here's one of the clearest and simplest explanations of the advantages of RAW that I've come across:

http://www.prophotolife.com/2008/04/29/ ... eal-story/

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Nov 27 2009 9:28 pm
by hippiepunkpirate
Guess who got a new toy today...

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/contr ... elid=18385

Guys- I need somebody to explain metering to me.

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Nov 28 2009 6:13 am
by BobP
hippiepunkpirate wrote:Guess who got a new toy today...
Did you get the Best Buy deal?...I looked at that one.

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Nov 28 2009 9:04 am
by hippiepunkpirate
rlrjamy wrote:Did you get the Best Buy deal?...I looked at that one.
I did. I was at a Best Buy in Peoria at 5 AM. I had to work in Flag at 11AM :o

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Nov 28 2009 9:14 am
by tibber
Congrats! I can't wait to see the first photos.

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Nov 28 2009 9:22 am
by hippiepunkpirate
tibber wrote:Congrats! I can't wait to see the first photos.
Thanks! We've got a storm coming in this weekend, so it should provide a spectacular backdrop, but I'm nervous about getting my new baby wet.

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Nov 28 2009 12:16 pm
by JoelHazelton
hippiepunkpirate wrote:Guys- I need somebody to explain metering to me.
The camera detects ambient light, and based on that determines how much light needs to be let in to ensure proper exposure. When set on auto, the camera uses the metering to automatically set the exposure. On manual mode, the camera tells you whether or not the exposure you choose will be too dark or too light. This will be shown as a series of numbers and lines at the bottom of the viewfinder/lcd screen. The order of numbers, from left to right, will be: shutter speed, f-stop, meter reading, ISO. There's actually a number to the right of ISO (it's 17 on my camera right now) and I don't know what that number means.

To trigger the meter: Press the shutter down about halfway, basically until you start to feel some resistance. The meter will then appear at the bottom of the screen. It'll disappear in a few seconds, but if you apply some pressure to the shutter again it'll reappear.

My camera right now:

2" 16 -2||1||V||1||2 iso 100 17
So right now it's set at 2 second shutter speed, f16, iso 100. Those are all settings that I chose.


To use the meter: The actual meter will read something like: -2||1||V||1||2 There will be a line underneath the meter reading, most likely bouncing around to different spots depending on where you point the camera. If it's underneath the "V", that means the shot will be properly exposed. Anywhere to the left of the "V" is underexposed, anywhere to the right is overexposed. You then adjust the shutter speed and f-stop accordingly until your shot is exposed properly.

That's basic metering. Anything beyond that you'll learn by trial and error. What the camera considers properly exposed usually isn't what you want the shot to look like, depending on color, shadows, etc. If you meter for the shadowed areas of the scene, everything else will be bright and blown out. If you meter for the highlights, the shadows will be dark and blocked out.

It's really pretty simple once you start doing it. Especially since it's digital, you can just keep shooting until it looks good!

Quick rundown of f-stop and shutter speed: (some of which you probably already know)

Shutter speed: how long the shutter is open. If the shutter speed is 1/100, the shutter is open for 1/100th of a second, therefore allowing light to hit the sensor for 1/100th of a second.

F-stop: Number representing how wide open the aperture is, which is actually the opening in the lens that allows light in. The smaller the number, the wider the aperture. The wider the aperture, the more light can be let in at once. If you have a wider aperture letting in more light, you want a faster shutter speed to counter that.

Related to that... In looking at the metadata on photos posted here, I often times see shots taken at ridiculously high shutter speeds with wide open apertures (i.e. 1/1000, f2.8 ). That generally doesn't do much justice to the sharpness of the lens. The sweet spot for most lenses is usually between f8-f11 (for normal landscape images). If you can stop it down to around that f-stop without making the shutter speed TOO slow (unless you have a tripod), I highly recommend it. The image will turn out sharper (especially in the corners). Don't go slower than 1/60, handheld if you want a really sharp image. 1/100 if you're a shaky dude. With longer lenses the number goes up even more.

Times you want a really narrow aperture (f16, f22): When you have a wide scene with a really close foreground and a far background, and you want all in sharp focus. That requires knowing the hyperfocal distance and focusing accordingly, which is a whole other thing. Google it or PM me if you're ever interested :)

Times you want a really wide aperture (f2.8, f4): When you want to isolate a sharp subject against a blurry, out of focus background. You won't have too much success with that with a wide lens, but that's the basic idea.

Sorry for all the info, I could type about it forever. Have fun!

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Nov 28 2009 12:42 pm
by Grasshopper
In response to hippiepunkpirate:
Congratulations HPP on your new and exciting Canon investment! Also, good luck with metering :)
(Joel has published below such a wealth of knowledge to learn from). Right now with my G10 set in the "P" mode with "Auto" ISO set and -1/3 exposure on landscape day shots is about all I am able to comprehend. You have a lot to forward too! :y:

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Dec 11 2009 8:35 pm
by JimmyLyding
If you're going to carry your camera around your neck because you want to have it ready should encounter Mr. Sasquatch I highly recommend getting a stretchy neoprene strap. It really does make the camera feel lighter, and it will accumulate sun screen lotion which is a gift that keeps on giving.
Also, you'll want to buy some sort of polarizer if only the cheap-o version. It's a lot easier to swallow replacing a $20 polarizer than your entire lens.

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Jan 09 2010 12:58 pm
by sundevilstormin
azpride wrote: My camera right now:
2" 16 -2||1||V||1||2 iso 100 17
So right now it's set at 2 second shutter speed, f16, iso 100. Those are all settings that I chose.
the number on the right of the viewfinder indicates frames for Max Burst available in Continuous shooting mode. I interpret it as the buffer capacity. The number will depend on the card size/speed and image type selected

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Jan 10 2010 3:52 pm
by JoelHazelton
Ahhhh... Awesome! Thanks!

Re: Introductory level DSLRs

Posted: Jan 10 2010 4:08 pm
by Al_HikesAZ
sundevilstormin wrote:the number on the right of the viewfinder indicates frames for Max Burst available in Continuous shooting mode. I interpret it as the buffer capacity. The number will depend on the card size/speed and image type selected
Dang Sparky - you sure know your stuff about some stuff. You make it almost understandable :?