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We really don't have that much...

Posted: Apr 17 2011 7:34 pm
by Jim
... terrain in Arizona over 10,000 feet, do we? Sure, we have lots of desert, and you don't have to do much more than drive to a neighboring state to find additional area over 10,000', but within our boundaries, we only have a handful of places that exceed 10,000. The Peaks, Kendrick, Escudilla, the Baldy Volcano, and the Pinalenos are it, aren't they? Am I leaving anything out? Living around Flag, with the easy access to the Peaks, gives one a false sense of the state. Until one starts looking for places around Arizona that are over 10,000.

Re: We really don't have that much...

Posted: Apr 19 2011 2:09 pm
by hippiepunkpirate
big_load wrote:Maybe I'm weird, but I thought chumley was clear enough in his original post. After all, the numbers at up to nearly 100%, so there isn't any other reasonable interpretation.
I just read through it too quick and responded without reading what it actually said.

Re: We really don't have that much...

Posted: Apr 19 2011 2:15 pm
by big_load
Since there aren't too many of them, it would be interesting to circumnavigate all the 10,000 ft contours in AZ, or come as close to that as practically achievable. Access restrictions might be a problem.

Re: We really don't have that much...

Posted: Apr 19 2011 3:22 pm
by chumley
I think Graham would be the easiest of them (including the loop around Heliograph). The SF Peaks are significantly steeper at the 10k contour so the trek there would be much more challenging. Looks like at least 90% of the track around Baldy is on WMAT land. Escudilla would be short but challenging if you stay near the contour due to steepness. Kendrick would be short and easy for half of it, but steep on the other side. (isn't that all of them?) But yes, it would be fun to accomplish those tracks.

Re: We really don't have that much...

Posted: Apr 19 2011 3:36 pm
by maxpower
Jim_H wrote:In other words, while altitude of a peak doesn't make for a better experience, it does add difficulty and physiologic challenges for those who are not acclimated.
My point was to throw the altitude part out of the equation and just compare effort involved covering the terrain itself from normal starting point to the summit. Sorry...I've climbed both Humphreys and Washington and Humphreys is easier. What makes it more difficult is the adjustment to the altitude. That's just my personal take on it though...you certainly are entitled to your own opinion.

Re: We really don't have that much...

Posted: Apr 19 2011 7:44 pm
by Jim
maxpower wrote: What makes it more difficult is the adjustment to the altitude.
Sure, sure, but you're going to have to explain how you, or anyone else, need to adjust to a peak with an elevation/altitude of that of Mt Washington, or any eastern peak. That is part of what I was saying.

Re: We really don't have that much...

Posted: Apr 19 2011 9:48 pm
by azbackpackr
chumley wrote:I think Graham would be the easiest of them (including the loop around Heliograph). The SF Peaks are significantly steeper at the 10k contour so the trek there would be much more challenging. Looks like at least 90% of the track around Baldy is on WMAT land. Escudilla would be short but challenging if you stay near the contour due to steepness. Kendrick would be short and easy for half of it, but steep on the other side. (isn't that all of them?) But yes, it would be fun to accomplish those tracks.
Sorry to disagree (yet again), but that quickly forgotten Green's Peak would be the easiest by far. It's a cinder cone. You could easily walk around it on the 10,000 contour. I can't imagine why you'd want to, though. Maybe you'd like to rotisserie yourself on the microwaves emanating from its summit? :D

Re: We really don't have that much...

Posted: Apr 19 2011 11:17 pm
by chumley
Thanks Elizabeth ... that's why I asked if there were more. I forgot Green's, and yes, that would be pretty easy to circumnavigate. In an hour. :D

Re: We really don't have that much...

Posted: Apr 20 2011 4:56 am
by azbackpackr
Did you count Mount Ord (the 11,357 foot Mt. Ord, not that little one you guys hike all the time) as separate from Warren/Baldy/Thomas? Looking at the topo it seems the low point between Mt. Warren and Mt. Ord is still above 10,000. I think Jim was including all these peaks, and Sunrise Pk. as one massif, though, which it is.

Re: We really don't have that much...

Posted: Apr 20 2011 9:05 am
by chumley
I don't see anything peaks outside the boundary that reaches 10k.
http://hikearizona.com/location_g.php?MY=276

Re: We really don't have that much...

Posted: Apr 20 2011 9:20 am
by azbackpackr
chumley wrote:I don't see anything peaks outside the boundary that reaches 10k.
http://hikearizona.com/location_g.php?MY=276
I see, and Mt. Ord is within that boundary.

Re: We really don't have that much...

Posted: May 05 2011 2:12 pm
by joebartels
chumley wrote:Yeah, I just did a quick "route" and there's really no contest. Anybody know how to take the route and calculate the area? Does Google Earth do it?
http://hikearizona.com/location_g.php?MY=276
Apparently Google Earth used to calculate area on polys, now you need the pro version.

This freeware program might work ( I couldn't get it to run without errors in Ubuntu )
Attached is the .kml version of your file
http://www.sgrillo.net/googleearth/gepath.htm

Re: We really don't have that much...

Posted: May 09 2011 10:05 pm
by nonot
33.2 sq miles