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State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Dec 18 2009 5:40 am
by PaleoRob
Looks like the temporary reprieve that the state parks got is going to vanish again. State legislators are planning on shutting all state parks and slashing pay for all state employees (does that include the legislators as well?) in order to save money. Never mind that the state treasurer said that the state could lay off every single state employee and still be in the hole, but oh well.
No much of a person to get on a political rant, but I feel that our legislature over the past decade or so has generally done us a terrible disservice, and their current behavior is right in line with that. Why not let the voters decide themselves if they want a sales tax increase? Uh oh, the uninformed masses might do something that goes ideologically against what you like. Guess what? The public should get the final word, not you. So irritated this morning. :wrt:

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 13 2010 3:55 pm
by Jeffshadows
PageRob wrote:
Jeff MacE wrote:
azbackpackr wrote: It really is out there in the flats, and right near town, and there is no way to protect it other than with some kind of security guards and/or law enforcement.
The only folks in the state's arsenal to do it are DPS and they are getting cut, as well.
I suppose we could organize some sort of volunteer protection posse. The Arizona Archeology Irregulars?
:D ...Megusta!

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 13 2010 4:24 pm
by writelots
It would need a theme song and a mascot. Something cute, but ferocious...
;) Or this guy:

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 13 2010 6:16 pm
by PaleoRob
I can bring a shotgun and a sleeping bag!

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 13 2010 6:33 pm
by azbackpackr
I've got a .38 and a slingshot!

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 13 2010 10:28 pm
by rally_toad
I've got my barehands!! And thats all I need! :D

It'd be interesting to have more information about how they plan to preserve the park's resources while they are closed. These parks are places that people know about. Homolovi is the one Im worried about though. They need to find away to keep that one open and/or still have a person or two patrolling it daily.

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 13 2010 10:43 pm
by big_load
rally_toad wrote:It'd be interesting to have more information about how they plan to preserve the park's resources while they are closed.
I probably mentioned this before, but last year when NJ came within a few days of closing some of its state parks, the plan was to post State Police at park entrances. Many of those parks had no permanent staff, and by my calculations it would cost more to keep them closed (but guarded) than open.

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 13 2010 10:51 pm
by joebartels
rally_toad wrote:It'd be interesting to have more information about how they plan to preserve the park's resources while they are closed.
If you're really interested give them a call and start asking questions. Just don't hang up until you get some information even if that's another phone number. Be sure to introduce yourself with your full name to each person you talk to and be excessively courteous yet stern.

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 14 2010 7:48 am
by Dschur
Budget crisis may close Tonto Bridge
State parks board may shut down money-losing parks and Payson may not have money to stage a last-minute rescue
January 12, 2010

The Arizona State Parks Board on Friday faces a bleak recommendation to begin shutting down most state parks — including Tonto Natural Bridge — between now and June.

The recommendations would leave open only nine of the 28 parks in the system, based mostly on which parks make money.

Tonto Natural Bridge State Park would shut down in June at the start of the busy tourist season, if the state parks board accepts staff recommendations.

Only the big money-making recreation parks would stay open, including four on the Colorado River, Kartchner Caverns, Dead Horse Ranch in the Verde Valley, Slide Rock outside of Sedona, Fool Hollow Lake and Patagonia Lake.

Even that would depend on the system coming up with $3 million in additional, short-term cash, according to the staff report.

The phased shutdown of most of the system is an attempt to cope with a budget deficit as cavernous as the world’s largest travertine arch.

The move comes just as a renewed financial crisis in Payson has overshadowed the town’s effort to strike a deal with state parks that would let the town take over Tonto Bridge.

Worse yet, a plunge in visitation has made the world’s largest natural travertine arch a big money loser in a drowning state parks system.

At its peak, the soaring natural arch drew 97,000 visitors, who pumped $3.6 million into the local economy. At that level, the park nearly broke even and Payson officials at one point promised to step in and run the park on the gate fees should the state park system falter.

However, in 2009 visitation plunged to some 65,000 and the operating loss rose to $124,000, according to figures released last week by state parks. All year long, the park was plagued by weekend-only hours and rumors of its closure.

Tonto Natural Bridge took in $173,000 in fees, but cost $297,000 to operate.

Those figures don’t reflect a $450,000 lease payment due in July. State Parks Public Information Officer Ellen Bilbrey said she had no idea how the system could make that lease payment, one of only several left to make to complete the purchase of the site.

Unfortunately, Payson’s plans to step in and take over running the park if the system shut down took a blow last week when faltering sales and income tax receipts opened up a projected $2.6 million shortfall. The council approved immediate two-day-a-month furloughs for town employees and will confront another $800,000 in cuts on Wednesday.

The combined plunge in visitation to the park and the drop in sales tax revenue in Payson would make it much harder for Payson to ride to the rescue, if the state parks board on Friday decides to close down all the parks that cost more to keep open than they bring in.

Some such drastic reduction seems inevitable, since the state Legislature has cut the system’s operating budget to about $7.5 million, which is nearly $2 million less than the system collects in gate fees. All told, the Legislature diverted about $8.6 million from assorted state park funds. As a result, not only will the state cut off all general fund contributions to the 28-park system, but visitors to state parks will actually be subsidizing other areas of state government.

“There’s no money, there’s just no money,” said Bilbrey.

The recommendations would group the parks into four categories, mostly based on their net revenues or losses.

Eight parks would shut down immediately — or remain closed. That includes Yuma Quartermaster Depot State Park, which would be leased to the town of Yuma to keep the park open. Payson had hoped to strike a similar deal before its own budget picture soured. The rest of the parks in that category are either natural areas or historical sites with structural programs — plus the Boyce Thompson Arboretum, which the University of Arizona would continue to operate.

A second set of parks with big operating losses would shut down on Feb. 22, including Fort Verde, Homolovi Ruins, Lyman Lake and Riordan Mansion.

A third group with smaller losses would struggle on until March 29, including Roper Lake, Tombstone Courthouse, Tubac Presidio and Yuma Territorial prison.

Tonto Natural Bridge made it into the third group and will stay open until June. along with Alamo Lake, Lost Dutchman, Picacho Peak and Red Rock.

The rest of the parks would stay open all summer, in the hopes they would bring in enough money to replenish the system’s cash reserves. Only a handful of state parks collect more in entrance fees than it costs to keep the doors open.

Kartchner Caverns makes a profit of $528,000, Slide Rock clears $236,000, Lake Havasu makes $184,000 and Catalina clears $162,000. Other parks that make a small profit include Cattail Cove on the Colorado River and Lake Alamo.

All the other parks in the system lose money. The biggest money losers include Oracle ($253,000), Lyman Lake ($212,000), Homolovi ($224,000), Red Rock ($189,000), San Rafael ($176,000), Tubac ($163,000), Roper Lake ($182,000), Picacho Peak ($166,000), Fort Verde ($171,000), McFarland ($152,000), and Tonto ($124,000).

With the shrunken visitation, Tonto reported a loss of $1.89 per visitor. Among the money-losing parks, that puts it behind Boyce Thompson, Buckskin, Dead Horse, Fool Hollow, Lost Dutchman, Patagonia Lake, and Yuma Prison — but ahead of all the others.

Payson Mayor Kenny Evans said negotiations with the state parks system had faltered, even before the town discovered the depth of its own financial problems.

Evans said state parks officials wanted to cut a deal that would cover all its normal operating costs and the lease payment.

“We just want to keep the doors open,” said Evans, who said the internationally known natural wonder draws visitors from far away — who often stop by the Payson visitor center to get directions to the Natural Bridge, which lies halfway between Payson and Pine.

Bilbrey said she didn’t know whether the state would be willing to let Payson operate the park and collect the gate fees for some interim period or what the state will do about the looming lease payment.

State parks officials say the latest round of state budget cuts has left them in dire straits. Reportedly, the Legislature has even taken funds donated to specific state parks by individuals, in addition to raiding various funds established by voters — like Heritage Fund money generated by the lottery.

The 2.5 million visitors to state parks contributed $126 million to local economies in 2001 — mostly rural areas, according to a study by Northern Arizona University economists.

Visitation at the system fell last year to 2.4 million, but the spending by visitors loomed even larger, given the dismal state of rural economies as evidenced by Payson’s dwindling sales tax revenues. The effect was especially pronounced at Tonto Natural Bridge, where visitation has declined nearly 31 percent from its peak — costing the local economy an estimated $1.8 million.

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 14 2010 9:19 am
by PaleoRob
I didn't realize that the state parks were being run on a for-profit basis. :?
Although since the park system as a whole does generate a positive revenue, it does stand not to cut those money-making programs, but some of the money losers are in place for reasons other than recreation/making money: again, Homolovi Ruins.

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 14 2010 9:28 am
by joebartels
PageRob wrote:Although since the park system as a whole does generate a positive revenue
Where does it say that?

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 14 2010 10:08 am
by PaleoRob
joe bartels wrote:
PageRob wrote:Although since the park system as a whole does generate a positive revenue
Where does it say that?
It isn't in that article. Some previous article cited a figure of $256 million in revenue per year, with operating expenses of about $25 million a year. Might have been in another state parks thread.

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 14 2010 10:32 am
by joebartels
Gotcha
Yet I doubt that's going to be a profit with the approximate 30% reduction in current visits.

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 14 2010 10:40 am
by BobP
Kartchner Caverns makes a profit of $528,000, Slide Rock clears $236,000, Lake Havasu makes $184,000 and Catalina clears $162,000. Other parks that make a small profit include Cattail Cove on the Colorado River and Lake Alamo.
All the other parks in the system lose money. The biggest money losers include Oracle ($253,000), Lyman Lake ($212,000), Homolovi ($224,000), Red Rock ($189,000), San Rafael ($176,000), Tubac ($163,000), Roper Lake ($182,000), Picacho Peak ($166,000), Fort Verde ($171,000), McFarland ($152,000), and Tonto ($124,000).


Looks to me like overall its a loss...parks that have profit = $1,110,000 ..parks with loss = $2,012,000. = 902,000
I searched HAZ for the $256 million dollar number but couldn't find it. I vaguely remember it though....and was thinking it had to do with money generated from vistors..ie hotels,eating, etc. but not revenue from the parks themselves.

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 14 2010 11:13 am
by big_load
For such a low net cost among that group, State Parks are a really good bang for the taxpayer buck. Last year NJ widened the shoulder on one mile of highway near my house, laid a hundred feet of new culvert and added some retaining walls. I'm told it cost $37M. :(

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 14 2010 11:34 am
by JimmyLyding
big_load wrote:For such a low net cost among that group, State Parks are a really good bang for the taxpayer buck. Last year NJ widened the shoulder on one mile of highway near my house, laid a hundred feet of new culvert and added some retaining walls. I'm told it cost $37M. :(
It actually only cost $4 million. $33 million went to the mafia.

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 14 2010 2:24 pm
by Dschur
And they are surprised that Tonto Natural bridge didn't bring in the same amount of visitors in previous years...
Dschur wrote:Worse yet, a plunge in visitation has made the world’s largest natural travertine arch a big money loser in a drowning state parks system.

At its peak, the soaring natural arch drew 97,000 visitors, who pumped $3.6 million into the local economy. At that level, the park nearly broke even and Payson officials at one point promised to step in and run the park on the gate fees should the state park system falter.

However, in 2009 visitation plunged to some 65,000 and the operating loss rose to $124,000, according to figures released last week by state parks. All year long, the park was plagued by weekend-only hours and rumors of its closure.

Tonto Natural Bridge took in $173,000 in fees, but cost $297,000 to operate.
They closed it off and on and people didn't even know when it was closed or open....Of course there will be less people there....

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 14 2010 3:08 pm
by Vashti
Please sign this petition to help prevent the closure of our state parks:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-a ... tate-parks

The petition will be submitted to Governor Brewer and the state legislators on February 1st with a plea to reconsider the closure of so many State Parks. Please have a look at the petition located online and sign it if you would like to see these parks remain open. The goal is 5000 signatures before the deadline, so if you can also forward the link to others who might be interested, I would certainly appreciate it.

Thanks!!

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 14 2010 9:20 pm
by Jeffshadows
Vashti wrote:Please sign this petition to help prevent the closure of our state parks:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-a ... tate-parks

The petition will be submitted to Governor Brewer and the state legislators on February 1st with a plea to reconsider the closure of so many State Parks. Please have a look at the petition located online and sign it if you would like to see these parks remain open. The goal is 5000 signatures before the deadline, so if you can also forward the link to others who might be interested, I would certainly appreciate it.

Thanks!!
There's some folks camped out in front of Summit Hut down here in Tucson with a paper petition, as well...

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 14 2010 10:06 pm
by PaleoRob
Signed the online one, for what good it'll do.

Re: State Parks under attack (again)

Posted: Jan 14 2010 10:12 pm
by joebartels
No need to be concerned, this guy has it taken care of...
5:59 pm PST, Jan 14, Kevin Richard, Arizona
I will see to removing anyone who agrees to the budget if it includes closing my state parks. I can organize million of people to get the job done!