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Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 08 2023 1:59 pm
by chumley
Protecting the areas to the northeast, northwest, and south of the Grand Canyon will preserve an important spiritual, cultural, prehistoric, and historic legacy; maintain a diverse array of natural and scientific resources; and help ensure that the prehistoric, historic, and scientific value of the areas endures for the benefit of all Americans. As described above, the areas contain numerous objects of historic and scientific interest, and they provide exceptional outdoor recreational opportunities, including hiking, hunting, fishing, biking, horseback riding, backpacking, scenic driving, and wildlife-viewing, all of which are important to the travel- and tourism-based economy of the region.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... -monument/

The monument boundaries encompass the entirety of the Tusayan District of the Kaibab National Forest on the south rim, most of the BLM land west of the canyon from Lees Ferry to the Kaibab Plateau south of US89A, extending up House Rock Valley, and most of the BLM Land west of the Kaibab Plateau in the upper reaches of the Kanab Creek watershed (see attached map).

Re: Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 08 2023 2:13 pm
by RowdyandMe
@chumley
Grand Canyon-Parashant National Monument

Re: Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 08 2023 2:18 pm
by chumley
RowdyandMe wrote:Grand Canyon-Parashant National Monument
... was established by President Clinton almost 25 years ago and is not related to this new monument established earlier today.

Re: Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 08 2023 2:22 pm
by Hansenaz
In this morning's AZ Republic: "Administration official said private and state in-holdings within the Monument will not be included". While in a separate article about Republican and local pushback: "The federal government said no private land will be taken for the monument. However, during the meeting, rancher Chris Heaton presented maps that showed the proposed land monument would include property that his family has owned and worked on since before Arizona was a state. "This is personal," Heaton said. "They're coming after our ranches, our livelihoods, our jobs, our homes." Heaton said he was never contacted by anyone about the proposed monument in relation to his land."

Can't both be true.

Re: Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 08 2023 2:47 pm
by chumley
@Hansenaz I'm not a lawyer, but the Antiquities Act under which this proclamation is made — and the text of the proclamation itself — state that it applies only to federally owned or controlled land, so it should seem to be pretty simple legally. Unless this guy is going all Bundy and claiming that he really owns the land that the federal government claims to own based on having been there before statehood, but that's a whole different ball o wax that isn't going to get resolved in the HAZ forum lol.

FWIW, the new monument status specifically states that it does not apply to nor restrict any existing legal mining claims, water rights, grazing leases, etc.

Re: Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 08 2023 3:08 pm
by RowdyandMe
@chumley
It’s my understanding that that’s the official name of the monument. Maybe I read it wrong.

Re: Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 08 2023 3:20 pm
by Hansenaz
@chumley
That's sort of what I thought too. But the story shows the usual suspects whipping up fury based on (apparently falsely claimed) overreach.

Re: Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 08 2023 3:27 pm
by azbackpackr
Pretty sure Biden landed at Grand Canyon airport in Air Force One today. I have to assume it has to do with this topic.

Re: Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 08 2023 3:35 pm
by chumley
@azbackpackr Yes, the declaration occurred at the old Red Butte airfield (which I don't believe is AF1-capable, unless he hops on a Super Cub, which would actually be sorta fun to see!)

Re: Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 08 2023 4:52 pm
by pseudalpine
Elections have consequences.

Re: Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 08 2023 5:05 pm
by RowdyandMe
@pseudalpine
Yes they do. Maybe if the United States needs Uranium they can buy back some from Russia that Hillary Clinton sold them!!!

Re: Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 08 2023 9:12 pm
by Sredfield
I'd like to see a phonetic pronunciation guide for the name.

Re: Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 09 2023 9:08 am
by chumley
Sredfield wrote:I'd like to see a phonetic pronunciation guide for the name.
Baaj Nwaavjo I'tah Kukveni is pronounced "Baahj-Nuh-Waahv-Joh Ee-Tah-Kook-Venny"
https://vimeo.com/846092115

Good luck! :)

Re: Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 09 2023 2:09 pm
by Al_HikesAZ
What happens to dispersed camping in the old Tusayan Ranger District now that it is part of the Bhwaahaha National Monument?

Re: Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 09 2023 2:57 pm
by chumley
Al_HikesAZ wrote:What happens to dispersed camping in the old Tusayan Ranger District
As I read it, it is still the Tusayan Ranger District of the Kaibab National Forest. That isn't changing. And if it is managed like other national monuments in the region such as Grand Canyon Parashant, Grand Staircase Escalante, and Bears Ears ... absolutely nothing different than before. Except for those for whom dispersed camping includes uranium mining, and then there may be some new restrictions. :sweat:

Re: Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 09 2023 3:52 pm
by Al_HikesAZ
chumley wrote: Aug 09 2023 2:57 pm . . . Except for those for whom dispersed camping includes uranium mining, and then there may be some new restrictions. :sweat:
So if I get caught with my Geiger Counter, I might have some 'splainin' to do :whistle:

Re: Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 09 2023 5:33 pm
by Sredfield
@chumley
Oh, thanks, that makes it very clear. :)

Re: Baaj Nwaavjo I’tah Kukveni-Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

Posted: Aug 09 2023 8:36 pm
by RowdyandMe
@Sredfield
It translates into the Hunter Biden National Monument!!!