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Obviously no big news flash. Yet I'd never really read about it before so I thought I'd share what I found
http://www.treelight.com/health/nutriti ... dOils.html
http://www.treelight.com/health/nutriti ... rides.html

While most will yawn and say duh I find the end of paragraph two here remarkable.

After reading labels a little more carefully it's official I'm pretty much a walking toxin minus whole grain bread and natural peanut butter.

joe bartels wrote:Obviously no big news flash. Yet I'd never really read about it before so I thought I'd share what I found
http://www.treelight.com/health/nutriti ... dOils.html
http://www.treelight.com/health/nutriti ... rides.html

While most will yawn and say duh I find the end of paragraph two here remarkable.

After reading labels a little more carefully it's official I'm pretty much a walking toxin minus whole grain bread and natural peanut butter.

While I have generally tried to avoid transfats for most of my life, I also try to avoid naturopathic doctors who are trying to get famous.

The five essential building blocks of any diet are fat (to lubricate the blood sliding through your arteries), salt, sugar and hops.

Well, I just give in to my most basic of urges.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw_1CIwwEIA

Jim_H wrote:Well, I just give in to my most basic of urges.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw_1CIwwEIA

You have officially just made my day!

I've pretty much concluded that we're all going to die from something we eat, drink, breath, or otherwise get exposed to. And when it happens, all the scientists in the world won't be able to tell with any certainty what combination of any/all of those things actually led to my demise. So, I'm just gonna keep doing what I enjoy. And then one day it'll be over. And I'm OK with that.

Yeah, I dunno. I sure meet a lot of really unhealthy people who say that same thing. Like you know, people in their 40's and 50's who are couch potatoes, and they can't do anything because they never took care of themselves, have really, really bad eating habits, they don't exercise, and it would take a huge effort over a period of years, at their level of nonhealth, to make improvements. A few people in this boat will wake up and make the changes. Most won't, will get diabetes, heart disease, etc.

I think moderation is healthy, too. But, I think what you eat (and drink) can come back to bite you, at a much younger age than is necessary. I want to live to be 100, not 70. And I want to be active and athletic. I don't think it is difficult at all to switch to olive oil, etc. I knew about the problems with hydrogenated fats (transfats or what have you) when I was 15 years old, because I studied up on health foods back then. Sure, I like to bake apple pie once in awhile, and I use Crisco, but I don't make a habit of it.

Why die of something that is totally preventable? Sure you are going to die of something, but adult onset diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, are things which can, for the most part, be prevented.

Jim Fixx* died at 45. ;)

*For those who are under the age of 45, he was a famous healthy / jogger / author type back in the early 70s ...

Fixx died at 52, not 45, and he had been a heavy smoker for years before turning healthy. His MI was a result of occluded arteries, most likely from ealier poor lifestyle choices. No coorelation to his later life decisions to excercise.

We are all going to die, its the quality of life before hand that matters. Smoking, obesity, type 2 diabetes, uncontrolled hypertentsion, strokes, renal failure, uncontrolled infections from unmanged high glucose, COPD, dialysis, and so on, why would you want to live like that? Eat healthy, excercie even a little bit, and most importanly, have a little self control with food and alcohol, and you'll more or less be OK. It doesn't take a genius to realize that being 5'5" and 200 pounds, but not overly muscular, and never excercicing to the extent that going up a flight of stairs is too much, is not healthy. Yes, modified fats are bad, but it is still the indiviual that eats way too much all the time that results in obesity. If you really want to improve your health, cut out soda, all soda, including diet crap. Your brain and pancreas don't know the difference between sugar and fake sugar.

This concludes my early morning public service rant.

Jogging. Heart attack.

Thanks Jim. On the same page. I do need to give up the soda. For a long time I drank diet Pepsi as a treat, about twice a month, which I feel is quite moderate. Now in Costa Rica I am tending to drink one every couple of days or so. It is not that hard for me to quit at this point.

I made a decision at age 20 to live a healthy lifestyle, and mostly have followed my own advice. Mostly... ;)

azbackpackr wrote:Yeah, I dunno. I sure meet a lot of really unhealthy people who say that same thing.

I didn't say my philosophy would work for everybody. Part of what I personally enjoy is a non-sedentary lifestyle.

chumley wrote:

azbackpackr wrote:Yeah, I dunno. I sure meet a lot of really unhealthy people who say that same thing.

I didn't say my philosophy would work for everybody. Part of what I personally enjoy is a non-sedentary lifestyle.

I think that the non-sedentary lifestyle is pretty much at the base of the health pyramid, so to speak. That is to say, probably the most important aspect.

Jim_H wrote:Fixx died at 52, not 45, and he had been a heavy smoker for years before turning healthy. His MI was a result of occluded arteries, most likely from ealier poor lifestyle choices. No coorelation to his later life decisions to excercise.

Probably so.

azbackpackr wrote:Why die of something that is totally preventable? Sure you are going to die of something, but adult onset diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, are things which can, for the most part, be prevented.

While I agree that lifestyle choices (salt, saturated fat and processed food intake as well as smoking, alcohol consumption and stress) definitely impact developing DM, HTN and CAD, there have been many studies which show a genetic predisposition to these diseases, especially HTN (hypertension). In Sept 2011, scientists discovered 20+ genes that could be linked to high blood pressure and a distinct familial tendency as well as a correlation to kidney function and excreting sodium from the body. I thought it was interesting reading~~~~especially given my personal family history. I often asked how can one sibling can exercise regularly, eat right (lots of fish and very little processed foods or red meat), smoke less than 8 cigarettes a day, drink no caffeine, use very little sugar/salt develop high blood pressure at a young age and the other sibling who eats whatever they want, high amounts of red meat, fats, smoke a pack of camel-no filters per day, drinks tons of coffee and use tons of salt NOT develop high blood pressure?" Very interesting!

:SB: Wow this is the most I've said in a real long time!!!

Trish

Trishness wrote: (salt, saturated fat and processed food intake as well as smoking, alcohol consumption and stress)
Trish

Have we met?
You know me all too well.

Alston Neal wrote:

Trishness wrote: (salt, saturated fat and processed food intake as well as smoking, alcohol consumption and stress)
Trish

Have we met?
You know me all too well.

Well you do kinda look like my older brother and you're the same age

Ok, all this is well and good, but where does rancid butter come in? I have never actually smelled rancid butter, but sure have experienced rancid oils. Especially the most healthy oils, cold pressed, from the health food store. Also raw nuts go rancid. If you don't keep them in the fridge oils and nuts go rancid. It's bad for you, carcinogenic. Always keep your good oils in the refrigerator! Olive oil, on the other hand, seems pretty stable, and I don't refrigerate it. I didn't know that butter would go rancid, although, since it is also an oil, I guess it probably can.

Inquiring minds want to know. Oh, well, yes, according to a forum on yahoo, it can. OK. I learned a new random fact today.

I have some rancid butter in the fridge at work if you want to know what it smells like.
I'd take it out to the dumpster, but then that would invovle walking out to it.

azbackpackr wrote:where does rancid butter come in?

According to Dr Famous...
Oil is steam distilled to remove its odor so it doesn't smell. If hydrogenated oil or any refined oil did smell, it would smell worse than the most rancid butter imaginable. So the next time you see "partially hydrogenated oil" on a label, think "rancid butter".

and some other nut job wrote...
Refining oil removes the natural nutrients from the seeds and creates a final product which oxidizes easily. The oxidation factor makes these oils more likely to break down into feral radicals.