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Strange Incident

Posted: Jun 27 2014 8:49 am
by FOTG
Just an odd turn of events in this article, the people involved, a flag pole, some hikers and Mormon missionaries..not sure if its slanted or bias but some food for thought in there...

http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobile3/5811 ... s.html.csp

An unidentified hiker or group of hikers by Thursday had knocked down a
flagpole that Mormon missionaries illegally erected on the summit of Mount Olympus last weekend.

Hiker Joe Bullough said he found the pole lying on the ground when he hiked to the top of the peak east of Salt Lake City Thursday morning.

He had seen the pole, adorned with an American flag and autographed mission T-shirt, last weekend.

Bullough, who has climbed the 9,026-foot-elevation peak 478 times, carried the pole back down the mountain Thursday because he doesn’t like to see litter, he said. The peak is in the Mount Olympus Wilderness Area.

Eight missionaries from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints created a concrete anchor and placed the 8-foot flagpole on the famous Salt Lake Valley landmark, apparently on Saturday.

Along with the flag, they attached a T-shirt adorned with their autographs and the message "Go Baptize! Only Utah Salt Lake City EAST Mission."

Church spokeswoman Jessica Moody said Thursday, "The church has reached out to the Forest Service and is working on a resolution."

Moody declined to comment on whether Salt Lake City East Mission leaders were aware of or sanctioned the missionaries’ flagpole-erecting activity.

Cathy Kahlow, Salt Lake district ranger, confirmed that a church attorney contacted the U.S. Forest Service and assured the agency that the missionaries would remove the concrete.

"It needs to be naturalized and the area needs to be back to its natural state," Kahlow said.

Mount Olympus is part of a 15,300-acre wilderness area, which means no mechanized equipment or permanent improvements are allowed. The Mount Olympus Wilderness also includes Mount Raymond and Gobbler’s Knob.

Even outside of a wilderness area, a flagpole would require a permit, she said. "Generally we don’t issue permits for random structures on the forest," Kahlow said.

"When it’s a flag it’s always tricky. It’s not about the patriotism. Everybody likes the flag but there are places where they are appropriate," Kahlow said. "It’s a newly created structure that is offensive to some as it relates to wilderness values... It’s a challenge because it’s so close to a city."

She said people don’t usually try to build permanent structures in the wilderness area. More commonly, they ride mountain bikes or bring mechanized equipment.

Kahlow said she doesn’t plan to pursue charges against the elders, as long as they remove the concrete.

The penalty for violating the Wilderness Act ranges from a fine of several hundred dollars to prosecution if violators are not compliant with requests to remove structures.

Reporter Brian Maffly contributed to this story.

dmanley@sltrib.com Twitter: @daniellekmanley

Re: Strange Incident

Posted: Jun 27 2014 8:59 am
by chumley
People do stuff like this all the time. Some worse than others. See: http://hikearizona.com/photo=298675

Re: Strange Incident

Posted: Jun 27 2014 9:08 am
by Jim
I have negative feelings about the recent flood of signs on Humphrey. And what is with that rock cabin on Whitney? It is in bad taste to erect a concrete anchored flag pole on a mountain like that one. Can't they just use sharpies on the rocks like everyone else?

Re: Strange Incident

Posted: Jun 27 2014 9:10 am
by rwstorm
Get that off the mountain and keep it off the mountain. Period.

Re: Strange Incident

Posted: Jun 27 2014 9:21 am
by chumley
Jim_H wrote:what is with that rock cabin on Whitney?
I doubt a structure like that would be allowed to be built today. But it's over 100 years old, and was apparently intended to be a shelter for electrical storms.

On a related note, I'm still not sure what the time limit is for when somebody's trash or graffiti from yesteryear becomes an "artifact" worth saving today. That's always puzzled me.

Re: Strange Incident

Posted: Jun 27 2014 9:43 am
by FOTG
@chumley
Wow I didn't know someone did that! Assuming bench is long gone?

Re: Strange Incident

Posted: Jun 27 2014 9:46 am
by FOTG
@Jim_H
Humphreys does have a lot of signs lol I think I mentioned something about that in last triplog..overwhelming lol too much money in their coffers I guess...

Re: Strange Incident

Posted: Jun 27 2014 10:04 am
by CannondaleKid
friendofThundergod wrote:Assuming bench is long gone?
Thankfully, yes.

Re: Strange Incident

Posted: Jun 27 2014 10:19 am
by Jim
I think they are from citizens who think the summit needs a sign. The summit signs.

Re: Strange Incident

Posted: Jun 27 2014 12:26 pm
by autumnstars
chumley wrote:I'm still not sure what the time limit is for when somebody's trash or graffiti from yesteryear becomes an "artifact" worth saving today.
The Archaeological Resources Protection Act of 1979 does define an artifact as at least 100 years old. So legally speaking, there is a set age.
Morally, though, that is a tougher question. I hate to see the huge piles of old cans from sheepherders out here, but legally they are protected.

Re: Strange Incident

Posted: Jun 27 2014 12:52 pm
by gummo
"When it’s a flag it’s always tricky. It’s not about the patriotism. Everybody likes the flag but there are places where they are appropriate," Kahlow said. "It’s a newly created structure that is offensive to some as it relates to wilderness values... It’s a challenge because it’s so close to a city."
Yep. I've been stating that for years. This is also true for memorials and grave-sites on public or wilderness land. It's self-serving and selfish, and it makes me think that the relatives were too cheap to afford a real memorial. I don't want to be reminded that people died (esp kids) where I'm hiking and trying to enjoy myself. Not that I remove them or even get upset about it, because I do my fair share of altering some areas to attract animals, but I just don't think it's appropriate.

Re: Strange Incident

Posted: Jun 27 2014 1:33 pm
by Sun_Ray
@friendofThundergod
All takes is the word 'strange' and I'll open the link :D

Re: Strange Incident

Posted: Jun 27 2014 3:08 pm
by hippiepunkpirate
I'm not really a fan of memorials and other unnecessary manmade structures making their way into wilderness areas, but this one bothers me even more than most. In this country, we have a principle known as "separation of church and state." We all have freedom of religion, but the religious views of some are not to encroach their way into the state as to favor one relgion over another. Whether it happened in a wilderness area or on public property in a city, it's an insult to the religious freedom of all for any group to use public lands for advertisement of their religious agenda. Adding the fact that wilderness laws were also violated, I am off the opinion that the party's responsible should be fined for their actions. I don't see this as an innocent act that should be handled with a meager scolding and nothing else. Such actions are inappropriate, regardless of religious affiliation, or if the dominate religion of the region is the one behind the actions. Those wishing to advertise their religious affiliations are free to do so on the grounds of their church, out on their front lawn, or even their place of business if they happen to own it. It has no place on public grounds, anywhere.

Re: Strange Incident

Posted: Jun 27 2014 3:15 pm
by rwstorm
@hippiepunkpirate
Agree strongly!

Re: Strange Incident

Posted: Jun 27 2014 3:50 pm
by Tough_Boots
leave it up to missionaries to ignorantly destroy something beautiful-- that's kind of their thing. At least they didn't bring along disease and genocide this time.

Re: Strange Incident

Posted: Jun 27 2014 7:04 pm
by CannondaleKid
hippiepunkpirate wrote:I am off the opinion that the party's responsible should be fined for their actions. I don't see this as an innocent act that should be handled with a meager scolding and nothing else.
Put up by members of a Mormon Church... in Utah? :whistle:
Anyone think that may have something to do with the meager scolding?