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Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 2:07 pm
by ALMAL
Like a dumb pumpkin, I left my Sawyer mini squeeze out Friday night and it froze, no water would pass through.
After warming up in the sun it started flowing at the normal rate.
I have heard that it is ruined from freezing.
Even though it lets water pass through, it's not actually filtering anymore.
Is there an easy way to test it?
I guess I'll know in a few days anyway...

Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 2:10 pm
by azbackpackr
@ALMAL
Yes, please do send us an update from your death bed.

Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 2:16 pm
by rcorfman
I had one freeze in Yosemite last September. The next time I used it was on a trip to Grand Canyon last October. The flow rate was better than it had ever been

. I took that to mean it was no longer filtering
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. Joe had another that I used for the rest of the trip.
Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 2:34 pm
by Tough_Boots
Since water expands when it freezes, it forever ruins the integrity of your filter's micron rating.
Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 2:35 pm
by chumley
Some of us on HAZ like to pretend we know everything
But I think this is a classic case where going to the source is your best bet:
3) “I froze the filter, is it still good”? The simple answer is no. There is no way to know if the fibers were damaged when frozen. The test to find out is very expensive and far greater than the value of the filter. Therefore, it is best to replace the filter. The instructions clearly states that freezing the filter after wetting voids the warranty. If a filter has never been used then freezing will not affect the fibers. But once water is introduced to the filter, it will never completely dry out.
https://sawyer.com/lifetime-warranty/
Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 3:01 pm
by ALMAL
@Tough_Boots
That makes sense to me... trash it is...
Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 3:07 pm
by azbackpackr
@ALMAL
Well, rats. I was hoping for some drama around here...
Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 3:11 pm
by ALMAL
Don't give up on that yet. It froze Friday night. I used it Saturday and Sunday...
Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 3:40 pm
by SuperstitionGuy
ALMAL wrote:Don't give up on that yet. It froze Friday night. I used it Saturday and Sunday...
Please update us three or four days from now.

Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 4:29 pm
by hikeaz
I imagine that some food coloring in the 'before' water might tell the tale, at least for the most part.
Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 6:00 pm
by flagscott
hikeaz wrote:I imagine that some food coloring in the 'before' water might tell the tale, at least for the most part.
I think you'd need a compound a lot bigger than food coloring to test a filter. Yellow #5 dye (I choose this one at random) is about 2 nm long, too small to be stopped by any filter. I suspect other colorings won't be much better.
Anyone know a good way to test for a busted filter?
Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 6:15 pm
by Tough_Boots
flagscott wrote:Anyone know a good way to test for a busted filter?
Unless you have your own labratory, its probably cheaper and faster just to buy a new one.
Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 6:31 pm
by Al_HikesAZ
I can't imagine you will get anything that antibiotics and OxyContin can't cure.
Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 6:35 pm
by cactuscat
Doesn't the Sawyer cost only like $20? Get a new one.
Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 6:37 pm
by hikeaz
flagscott wrote:hikeaz wrote:I imagine that some food coloring in the 'before' water might tell the tale, at least for the most part.
I think you'd need a compound a lot bigger than food coloring to test a filter. Yellow #5 dye (I choose this one at random) is about 2 nm long, too small to be stopped by any filter. I suspect other colorings won't be much better.
Anyone know a good way to test for a busted filter?
After reading what you wrote about the size of dye, I went 'fishing'.......
https://youtu.be/fZLWlfiwBbg - sometimes a picture is worth a thousand conjectures.
Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 7:00 pm
by flagscott
hikeaz wrote:After reading what you wrote about the size of dye, I went 'fishing'.......
https://youtu.be/fZLWlfiwBbg - sometimes a picture is worth a thousand conjectures.
First comment in that video:
Folks.....I spoke to the DESIGN team at Sawyer and this is what they say: "The sawyer filters are barrier filters. We literally filter out the pathogens (viruses, bacteria, cysts, etc.). We do NOT remove disolved solids from the water. The blue dye you are using is a disolved solid. It will pass through the pores of the membrane. As it passes through the fibers it will dye the fibers and in so doing remove some of the dye from the water. This will only occur in the first few ounces that pass through the filter. Then it will stop removing the dye. In fact if you then run clear water through the filter it will give up some of the dye back into the clear water turning it light blue. The blue dye removal is NOT an indication of if the filter is working. Our technolgy does not "wear out" like other filters where you need to test to see if it's working. With ours, it's simple - if water is passing through, it's good." I even gave them THIS VIDEO LINK and they REVIEWED it and this is what they say: "If you look closely at video it is not clear, it has a blue tint. If he kept squeezing more water through it would be the same color as the water going in. Once the void volume of the filter is dispelled there is nothing to remove the dye, other than the small amount that attach to the fibers (like dying your cloths.) And that will diminish very quickly."
Conjecture?
Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 7:14 pm
by flagscott
Tough_Boots wrote:flagscott wrote:Anyone know a good way to test for a busted filter?
Unless you have your own labratory, its probably cheaper and faster just to buy a new one.
I did some digging, and you are right--you need a microbiology lab to test a filter. There doesn't seem to be any way to do it at home.
This is one of the reason's why I almost always use chemicals.
Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 7:22 pm
by joebartels
DESIGN team at Sawyer wrote:Our technolgy does not "wear out" like other filters where you need to test to see if it's working. With ours, it's simple - if water is passing through, it's good."
get the drill out!
j/k obviously out of context, the video isn't about a frozen sawyer nor a design team spelling bee slaying technology
Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 7:34 pm
by hikeaz
Re: Frozen Sawyer
Posted: Feb 27 2017 8:07 pm
by Tough_Boots
So the design team listed viruses
flagscott wrote:Folks.....I spoke to the DESIGN team at Sawyer and this is what they say: "The sawyer filters are barrier filters. We literally filter out the pathogens (viruses, bacteria, cysts, etc.).
Someone should inform their design team that the Sawyer filter does not filter out viruses. Only their much more expensive Point Zero-Two Purifier does that.