Coming up from below. evidence that quite a few off roaders have been to this point. Probably a popular place when the creek is running. I guess it is time to vent. People that leave doggie bags along the trail and the off roaders that have to throw their beer and other drink cans along the trail. It's not like they are hiking and have to carry the cans in their pack, they're in a vehicle and how hard is it to put it in a trash bag. They can always put the trash bag along the trail along with the people who think that dog crap is better off left in a bag along the trail. Okay I'm done.