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Jun 03 2020
parkrunner
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 Saddlebrooke, AZ
Drew Highline See Cyn General Crook Loop, AZ 
Drew Highline See Cyn General Crook Loop, AZ
 
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parkrunner
Hiking11.62 Miles 1,990 AEG
Hiking11.62 Miles   7 Hrs   5 Mns   1.97 mph
1,990 ft AEG   1 Hour   11 Mns Break
 
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It was a warm early June time frame. We were camping at the Canyon Point campground on the Mogollon Rim at 7700 feet elevation. Thus we wanted to start our hike on the Drew Trail where it crosses a forest road in a campground. No real trail head parking so we parked along the road.

It was about a mile down the Drew trail to the Highline Trail. Great views along the way, but a bit steep on the toes. Sure glad we weren't hiking the other direction and finishing this climb in the hot afternoon. Even though we started a little after 7am, it was already plenty warm when we reached the Highline trail. The Drew trail was in better shape than I expected. Most maps and trail web sites show it as a pretty minor and little used trail. No trail finding needed here.

2.5 miles later we found ourselves at the junction of See Canyon trail, which is along Christopher Creek, a really pleasant, heavily wooded area. A good source of water if you need some. 0.7 miles later is the junction of the See Springs trail. We ventured up there to some small cascades that other people called a falls. So far up he See Canyon trail is was a pretty nice trail. Not long afterward that trail got a lot tougher. And then it got rockier. And then it got steeper. While the last 3 miles on the See Canyon trail may have been only a 1500 foot climb, it was pretty slow going, with several downed trees and slippery rocks.

Once we reached the crest at the General Crook trail we looked for a place to have lunch. The temperature was in the low 80s by now, and probably the low 80s in the last 2 hours as we climbed up hill. The last stretch on the General Crook trail was mostly pretty easy. Not much elevation change, a mix of 2 track and 1 track, due to the nature of it being an old road. But it was a little rockier than I thought it would be.
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May 05 2020
rayhuston
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 Gilbert, AZ
See Canyon Trail #184Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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rayhuston
Hiking7.22 Miles 1,787 AEG
Hiking7.22 Miles   3 Hrs   59 Mns   1.87 mph
1,787 ft AEG      7 Mns Break
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The mile plus on FR289 is rougher than normal, but there was a road crew working on it when I left. Campsites are bing used (I said campgrounds at first) but the restrooms were not open.

I was surprised that I hadn't been on this trail in nearly three years. I must have forgotten how steep it is, especially the last mile to rim road. That's just mean. That's when I quote John Muir: "People ought to saunter in the mountains - not 'hike!" A saunter was the best I could do today.

In spite of the daunting incline, this is one of my faves and I try to hike it at least once during the summer. There is a fair amount of downed trees on the trail but not terrible. One section about two miles in is chewed up a bit. The rest of the trail is in pretty good shape.

I started early today (8:30). Temps still in the low 60's with a nice breeze. This trail is hard enough without adding in the heat factor. I planned to check See Spring on the way back down but I had a good enough workout already. I'm sure it was flowing in abundance; there was quite a bit of water in the creeks down low. The lovely melody of continuous birdsong was also in abundance.

I spoke with a fisherman from the Valley getting ready to try his luck on Christopher Creek and two hikers heading up as I was finishing up. Otherwise I had this all to myself. Since everyday is like Saturday for me at the moment, why not go on Tuesday.

It was absolutely gorgeous throughout the hike. No humidity and no bugs. It's a good springtime hike right now.
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Wildflowers Observation None
Closer to none than isolated.

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Nice campsite adjacent to the spring.
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Apr 19 2020
LindaAnn
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 Ahwatukee, AZ
Drew Bear See, AZ 
Drew Bear See, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Apr 19 2020
LindaAnn
Hiking15.63 Miles 2,528 AEG
Hiking15.63 Miles   6 Hrs   57 Mns   2.49 mph
2,528 ft AEG      41 Mns Break
 
1st trip
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Started a little after 0730 to nice cool temps. Headed east from the See Canyon trailhead, crossed Christopher Creek, then picked up Highline on the other side of the creek. East on Highline, which is fairly easy hiking, gradual ups and downs, reaching Drew at the 2.50 mile mark. Turned left and headed up Drew. Despite the elevation gain on Drew, I always find it to be pleasant, with a steady incline. At the top, we headed west on FR9350. Passed one abandoned campsite with a still smoldering fire. After mostly taking care of that, we continued west, eventually turning onto Gen Crook trail. At FR208, we took that north for two miles, then down to Bear Canyon Lake, where we had lunch. Back south on 208, then west to the top of See Canyon. Steep descent down See, with many downed trees to get around/over/under—hopefully those will be cleared soon. The last mile or two on See gradually leveled out and made for a pleasant finish to the loop. Nice temps all day, a little warm at times, but the breeze helped.
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Plenty of water here

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Didn’t spend much time looking, but the entire vicinity looked dry.
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Apr 16 2020
LJW
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 Phoenix, AZ
Promontory Butte - Bear Canyon Lake Loop, AZ 
Promontory Butte - Bear Canyon Lake Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Apr 16 2020
LJW
Hiking27.56 Miles 4,800 AEG
Hiking27.56 Miles   12 Hrs   21 Mns   2.95 mph
4,800 ft AEG   3 Hrs    Break
 
1st trip
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I did this loop in August last year without Bear Canyon Lake and thought it would make a nice addition during the cooler months. A friend and I took the loop clockwise starting around 6:30am at the Derrick trailhead.

Horton Creek was in great shape, thanks in part to a biker we met who kept stopping to toss rocks off the side of the trail. Shady in the early morning and over quickly. Stopped at the spring before heading up Highline. Strong flow of water in the creek and from the spring.

Up and down on Highline to Promontory, and it was pretty easy going. Highline was probably the best maintained trail on the day. Promontory on the other hand was slippery with pine needles and loose rock. Took a while to make it up the steep climb to top of the rim where we took a short break before heading across the rim to Promontory Butte's highpoint.

Hung out at the high point for a while before heading through the forest to FR76 and taking that to FR300. 76 is closed to motorized traffic, so we didn't see anyone on Promontory Butte. I thought 300 was still closed and there wouldn't be any traffic around the lake, but I guess it opened in the week before. Saw our second group of people car camped where 300 meets 76.

Went straight across 300 into Bear Canyon and followed the water down. The hike in Bear Canyon was probably my favorite part of the trip, along with the lake itself. Gentle flow of water and the travel was pretty easy with little brush and deadfall to contend with. The canyon widened out as it went down and revealed meadows and clearings that wouldn't be out of place in the White Mountains.

Took the Lake Trail around to the little rocky isthmus on the south shore. Bear Canyon Lake was as full as I've seen it, and the old timers at the lake who were more familiar made similar statements. Most of the people we saw on the day were at the lake. A couple people on floats fishing, and a couple families hanging out fishing around the shore.

From the lake we took the Lake Trail up to FR208 and headed back toward 300. Cut corners through the forest to shorten the trip to See Canyon's upper trailhead. See Canyon has significant deadfall higher up and a little bit farther down the canyon as well. Good flow of water, a little at the top a lot toward the bottom. Saw a few turkeys in See Canyon and one person out taking pictures near the lower th.

Climbed up Highline as the sun was getting low. Flew down the smooth Highline trail to Derrick where the tread is rough higher up but not so bad farther down. Saw a half dozen elk near the bottom of Derrick as the sun started to set. Made it back before dark having only seen two hikers/bikers the whole trip.

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Nov 09 2019
jtaylor
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 Gilbert, AZ
See Canyon Trail #184Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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jtaylor
Hiking5.20 Miles 1,000 AEG
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First leg of my adventure with Andrew. He chose See Spring at the fork and we didn't see any relatively secluded campsites. None when we backtracked and went left either. We were both done at that point. So it was a day hike with 30-40 lbs. Oh well!
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Nov 02 2019
emilystardust
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 Phoenix, AZ
See Canyon Trail #184Payson, AZ
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emilystardust
Hiking5.00 Miles 1,874 AEG
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Oct 26 2019
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 Payson, AZ &
See Canyon Trail #184Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 26 2019
donqcryer
Hiking6.90 Miles 1,874 AEG
Hiking6.90 Miles   2 Hrs      3.45 mph
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Foliage at peak up See Canyon and a little pre-peak on spur to Spring. Colors are vibrant this year
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Autumn - Color Foliage
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Autumn Foliage Observation Extreme
Close to peak if not peak. Colors incredible especially up See Canyon to before Rim. Spur to See Spring is a little pre peak and not as colorful
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Oct 19 2019
Nate_F
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 Phoenix, AZ
See Canyon Trail #184Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Nate_F
Hiking6.90 Miles 1,874 AEG
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Fall foliage outing with a group of friends at See Canyon, Payson. Beautiful hike with a lot of fall colors throughout. Deep reds, oranges, and bright golden yellows abound. Crisp, cool morning, you can't ask for a better day than this! Loved it!
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Oct 15 2019
donqcryer
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 Payson, AZ &
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donqcryer
Hiking6.90 Miles 1,874 AEG
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Some isolated reds and yellows. Looks like in one more week for color to occur...
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Aug 25 2019
chumley
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 Tempe, AZ
Drew see loop, AZ 
Drew see loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Aug 25 2019
chumley
Hiking12.83 Miles 2,076 AEG
Hiking12.83 Miles   5 Hrs   41 Mns   2.76 mph
2,076 ft AEG   1 Hour   2 Mns Break
 
Wavered on options until late last night. This seemed to be a good compromise plan. I'd never taken Drew all the way to the actual Crook instead of cutting through the campground. That part of Crook is really pleasant and a much better option. Ran into a pair surveying the trail to submit it for historic trail status. Did you know the "V" markers don't stand for Verde? They are the roman number 5. Because General Crook led the 5th division or regiment, or whatever it's called. Hiking is educational!
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Aug 15 2019
LJW
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 Phoenix, AZ
Promontory Butte 7,914Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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LJW
Hiking22.77 Miles 4,556 AEG
Hiking22.77 Miles   7 Hrs   16 Mns   3.25 mph
4,556 ft AEG      15 Mns Break
 
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Wanted to combine a trip to Promontory Butte with the Horton-Derrick loop, but decided to make it a little longer in order to see more of the Highline Trail. Started at 5:20am on Horton and took the loop clockwise.

Horton Creek is very pleasant, a nice gradual gain always within earshot of the creek. Went to the spring and headed up Highline. Saw 4 elk, all bucks.

Made it to Promontory and saw it's still a long way to the top despite the 3/4mile distance posted on the sign. The trail has a good amount of deadfall and is pretty well overgrown in spots. Nice views distracted from the toughest part of the hike.

Walked cross country along the rim to Promontory Butte. As is true pretty much everywhere on the rim, nice forest with great views of the Mazatzals. Very quiet apart from the occasional passing plane. From the highpoint I cut through the forest to FR764 and took that to 300. The gate to 764 was closed, so seemingly no one was out on Promontory Butte.

Took See Canyon down. The only people I saw all day were 2 groups at the beginning and end of the trail. Trail's in great shape, those varmint callers do good work.

Once on Highline it started to get warm. It was more exposed than I thought it would be. Not too much shade overall, and the same was true for Derrick. Mid 90s by the time I finished, but it seemed cooler than that.
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Aug 10 2019
DixieFlyer
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 Fountain Hills,
Bear Canyon Lake, AZ 
Bear Canyon Lake, AZ
 
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DixieFlyer
Hiking12.80 Miles 2,556 AEG
Hiking12.80 Miles   5 Hrs   42 Mns   2.83 mph
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I was looking for a nice hike in some cooler weather, and decided to head up to Bear Canyon Lake. We started and ended the hike at the See Canyon TH. Once at the Rim Road, we took an off trail shortcut to get to FR 208, and took that to the Bear Canyon Lake Trail, which leads down to the lake.

There was a healthy volume of water in the lake, and there were very few people there. This is a very pretty lake imho, and it is something of an undiscovered gem.

On the way back we took a short trip up to See Spring.

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Jun 30 2019
trekkin_gecko
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 phoenix, az
See Canyon - Drew Loop, AZ 
See Canyon - Drew Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jun 30 2019
trekkin_gecko
Hiking18.20 Miles 2,945 AEG
Hiking18.20 Miles   7 Hrs   3 Mns   2.73 mph
2,945 ft AEG      23 Mns Break
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john and i drove up to camp saturday night near see canyon trailhead
after dinner at the thai restaurant in payson, found a campsite and we both tested out some new gear
nice night with good star viewing and low temps in the 60s - very pleasant
coffee and breakfast while packing up
got going around 0630 up see canyon, with a detour to see spring
i had downloaded two of @dixieflyer's routes, one an out n back to bear canyon lake, and the other for the see canyon - drew loop
we got to the lake and had a snack
had previously kayaked and hiked here with my friend from nebraska, and wanted to see the south access
a scenic destination and a nice spot for a break
went back to rim road and decided to finish the hike with the drew loop option
should have been about 16 miles total, and would have been had i switched routes i was following
took a combination of general crook trail, some logging roads and aspen trail over to carr trailhead, overshooting drew trail and adding probably two miles to the hike
there are several tracks posted showing a much more efficient way to the drew trailhead
on the plus side, aspen trail is very pretty
we also saw about 20 elk crossing in front of us on one of the logging roads
backtracked and headed down drew, which offers some nice views
returned on highline - this section was new to me
a nice combo, which could certainly be done better
we had lunch at the thai place again on the way home
fun weekend! thanks for the camping idea, john and sorry about that extra couple miles :lol:
think i owe you a beer for that
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Jun 30 2019
johnlp
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 chandler,az
See Canyon - Drew Loop, AZ 
See Canyon - Drew Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jun 30 2019
johnlp
Hiking18.20 Miles 2,945 AEG
Hiking18.20 Miles   7 Hrs   3 Mns   2.73 mph
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Nice hike up to the rim and Bear Canyon Lake from See Canyon with Kelly. Strawberries are at peak on The See Canyon Trail.The lake is very scenic. Not at all crowded for a June weekend. Aspen Trail is pretty.
The Hike down Drew and along the Highline back to the car was shorter than expected which is always a pleasant surprise at the end of a solid hike. It got warm the last third of the hike but never uncomfortable. Saw a herd of about 20 elk.
Good times. Thanks Kelly! :)
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Jun 11 2019
CannondaleKid
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 Mesa, AZ
See Canyon Trail #184Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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CannondaleKid
Hiking7.40 Miles 2,044 AEG
Hiking7.40 Miles   4 Hrs   3 Mns   1.83 mph
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Although we had rented a place in Strawberry for the rest of the week, due to the heavy smoke from the Coldwater Fire we decided to hike somewhere away from the fire.

While we had a clear-air start to this hike, maybe just over halfway up we could see and feel the smoke rolling in... the west winds must have picked up early. :(

We soldiered on but within a quarter mile of the top the air was so thick with smoke even breathing through wet cloth or in my case an EnduraCool neck gaiter, we had raw throats... so it was time to call it quits and turn back.
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Hmmm, with all the smoke seemingly everywhere, what are we gonna do for hiking the next three days? Hopefully we will get some favorable winds or better yet some rain... Ha! Fat chance of that!
As we will find out, things get worse before they get better.
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Apr 30 2019
DixieFlyer
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 Fountain Hills,
Promontory Butte via See Canyon, AZ 
Promontory Butte via See Canyon, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Apr 30 2019
DixieFlyer
Hiking15.20 Miles 2,658 AEG
Hiking15.20 Miles   7 Hrs   32 Mns   2.58 mph
2,658 ft AEG   1 Hour   38 Mns Break
 
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I enjoy hiking to Promontory Butte, but had never done it from See Canyon. What a difference a month makes! I attempted this hike in late March, and there was about 3' of snow up on the Rim Road, so I wound up turning around and going back to the TH.

I started and ended the hike at the See Canyon TH. I did a CCW loop by taking the See Canyon Trail up to the Rim; then taking Rim Road 300 to FR 76; then taking FR 76 and another forest road before going off-trail to the high point on the edge of Promontory Butte. From there I continued off trail to the Promontory Trail, took the Promontory Trail down to the Highline Trail, and then took the Highline Trail back to the TH.

The Promontory Trail is still in need of some TLC -- I don't think that there has been any maintenance on this trail in quite some time. The trail doesn't seem any worse than last year though, so the winter weather does not seem to have had a negative impact on it.

This was my first time on the section of the Highline Trail from the Derrick Trail junction to the See Canyon TH. It was nice hiking on this section, especially after coming down on the Promontory Trail. I have now hiked the western section of the Highline Trail from Pine to Geronimo, and the eastern section from the Fish Hatchery to the 260 TH. I still need to do the section from Geronimo to the Fish Hatchery.

It was a cold, damp day so unsurprisingly I saw no other hikers. I did see a camera-hogging elk up on Promontory Butte though.
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Apr 22 2019
MEWhiteman
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 Phoenix, AZ
Highline Trail #31Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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MEWhiteman
Hiking10.10 Miles 1,145 AEG
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Hiked from the 260 Trailhead west to the See Canyon TH with a short hike to the See Spring at the end to add some distance and aeg for the day. The trail was in great shape. The distance was longer and the aeg less than I calculated from the existing track on HAZ. Actual was 7.4 miles and 575' aeg from TH to TH. There was minor rerouting near the See Canyon TH vs the HAZ track. The weather was great and See spring had a good flow.. It was a good but tiring day.
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DixieFlyer
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DixieFlyer
Hiking10.80 Miles 2,415 AEG
Hiking10.80 Miles   7 Hrs   20 Mns   2.17 mph
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1st trip
It has been about 6 months since I have hiked up on the Rim, so I persuaded Tracie, my intrepid hiking partner, to go up there.

We started at ended at the See Canyon TH. My original not-so-brilliant idea was do to a loop up the See Canyon Trail, over to Promontory Butte, and then down the Promontory Trail to Derrick and Highline, and back to the TH. As it turned out, there was WAY TOO MUCH snow on the rim to do that. So we just did an out-and-back up to the Rim Road.

There is a much heavier water flow in Christopher Creek than is normally seen. If you don't believe it, look here: [ youtube video ]

There are 2 creek crossings where we had to improvise in finding a way across that would enable us to keep our feet dry. One is near the start of the hike, and the other is not far past the fork with the See Spring Trail. Here is Tracie going across the second crossing: [ youtube video ]

We went up the See Spring Trail up to See Spring. imho it is well worth this little side-trip.

Except for the 2 aforementioned creek crossings, the hike was fairly normal until we got up to near 7,000' in elevation, although there was some water running in the trail in a couple of places. As we gained elevation we started to see some occasional snow, some of which was on the trail. Once we got to 7,400'-7,500' we started to see more snow, and by 7,500' there was quite a bit of knee deep snow. In a few places, I sunk down to my waist in the snow. For a while I was following some elk tracks, and I found that if I stepped in the back part of the elk track I would hardly sink down in the snow.

When we finally got to near the Rim Road, there were some snow drifts probably 3 feet deep or more. The elevation where we hit the Rim Road was about 7,850'. We walked maybe 1,000' on the Rim Road, and the snow on the road was packed down (probably from some freeze-thaw) and you didn't sink down very much in the snow while walking; but you sank down just enough to make walking a bit tiring. At that point we decided to turn around and go back to the TH.

With all of the snow that is yet to melt, I imagine that there will be some heavy water flow in Christopher Creek for the foreseeable future. The Rim Road is currently gated shut at both ends, and according to the Coconino National Forest website, it is not supposed to reopen until mid to late April.

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Oct 20 2018
caragruey
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See Canyon Trail #184Payson, AZ
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caragruey
Hiking7.48 Miles 1,780 AEG
Hiking7.48 Miles
1,780 ft AEG18 LBS Pack
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1st trip
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2 more weeks for color. It's late this year.
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Throwing a Wendy
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Autumn Foliage Observation Light
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Oct 20 2018
joebartels
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 Phoenix, AZ
See Bear Beaver Rattlesnake, AZ 
See Bear Beaver Rattlesnake, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Oct 20 2018
joebartels
Hiking17.70 Miles 3,000 AEG
Hiking17.70 Miles   9 Hrs   18 Mns   2.13 mph
3,000 ft AEG   1 Hour    Break14 LBS Pack
 
1st trip
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Little Caesar threw this together 5 years ago. It is a See Canyon loop utilizing See Spring Canyon to maximize Autumn Foliage. Larry joined in the clockwise hike, which included descending two little drop offs.
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2018
Rain has been targeting weekends. Unlike the Cardinals we had several game plans, watching the point forecast through the week. Karl & 9L joined. We elected counterclockwise to ascend See Spring Canyon before the forecasted rain. It seemed like a safer option.

The lower canyon wasn't showing great signs of color. Weather was fab. See Spring Canyon turned out to be borderline doable for myself. We bypassed the typical dry falls that were running today. It took a solid two hours to get 2.5 miles up clearing the canyon. 9L lead pretty much the entire hike and Karl graciously lugged my pack up the steep parts.

The hike around Bear Lake was nice weather and company. Nothing exciting foliage wise. Karl went off route a couple times to capture color that caught the eye in passing.

Beaver and Rattlesnake creeks where running good from rare Oct snow melt which translated to lots of creek crossings. An olympic jump over a creek by a bull elk was cool to witness. Granted it was ten feet but I couldn't do it gracefully lugging six hundred pounds.

Upper See Spring Trail #185 was the show. Not the best display. A couple tunnels of color on trail with the nice autumn breeze was my favorite.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Moderate
Trail #184 midway to top is popping on the upswing. Expected waning with snow on the rim two weeks ago. Instead it's a week away. Geology rocks, big whoop. Weather and the life cycle of a leaf mystifies!

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plenty to filter... for a small town

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Beaver Canyon - Upper Medium flow Medium flow
Probably not common to be flowing this nice in Oct. An early snow 2 weeks ago has snow melt feeding the creeks.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Rattlesnake Creek - Knoll Lake Topo Light flow Light flow
Medium flow for portions, went underground or ceased in spots. An early snow 2 weeks ago has snow melt feeding the creeks.

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Great flow in all the channels
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average hiking speed 2.42 mph
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