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Sep 03 2002
Fritzski
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68 male
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 Gilbert, AZ
Bob Bear Trail #18 - Fossil CreekCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Sep 03 2002
Fritzski
Hiking8.00 Miles 1,391 AEG
Hiking8.00 Miles   5 Hrs      1.60 mph
1,391 ft AEG
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This place is just "too cool!". Thankfully this hike is as long as it is, or this spectacular area would be completely overrun. Went on Labor Day with my 10 year old daughter and her friend. It was fairly crowded, but still beautiful and fun.

You'll come first to the headwaters of the springs itself and a beautiful little swimming hole with rope swing. This is the best spot for the younger kids.

About 5-10 minutes downstream is the second nice hole with a more advanced rope swing and a difficult boulder to climb for a good jump.

Another 5 minutes downstream will bring you to the dam which I thought was about the sweetest swimming spot I've ever seen. Plenty of nice rocks to jump from various heights into the deep pool below. My daughter is a little daredevil and just couldn't get enough of it. There is a really cool underwater tunnel from the main pool into a hidden basin from which you exit by climbing a fixed rope up to the overhanging rocks above. There's also a rope swing that is not only quite high, but has fairly tight tolerances on your release point.

The climb back up to the trailhead is really a challenge for younger kids, so keeping that in mind, go slow and take plenty of rest breaks.

Have fun and do your part to help keep this area clean.
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Aug 28 2002
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Jug Trail #61 - Salome WildernessGlobe, AZ
Globe, AZ
Hiking avatar Aug 28 2002
Fritzski
Hiking5.00 Miles 500 AEG
Hiking5.00 Miles   4 Hrs      1.25 mph
500 ft AEG
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SKANKY!!! That's the only word I can think of to describe what little water was left in the Jug. We dropped in at the top, saw a dead Gila Monster and that was to be something of an omen. Immediately started to wade through stagnant pools the color of Coca Cola. Trouble is, once you're in, you're pretty much committed to come out the bottom end. I'm not sure, but I would guess the canyoneering was more difficult without some flowing water. We had no choice but to make the 30' rappel since the depth of the murky pool below was unknown. The high water marks were as much as 20' feet above current levels in some spots.

The worst part was the very last pool at the end of the jug. It was at the bottom of a 12' smooth slope and looked so putrid we both thought "no !#&* way!". My partner tried a climb up out of the canyon on the wall above, but aborted soon after loose rocks started raining down. We finally bit the bullet and slid down the ramp into the water with our lips cramped shut and holding our breath. Once out the other side I decided to investigate some squeaking noises that I knew would be bats nested in the overhang above. Walking underneath I discovered the ground covered with bat guano about 2" deep that extended right down into the water. Can anyone say E. Coli?

Just as a side note, the forecast that day was for no monsoon. We finished the day by going up to do Tonto Narrows and on the drive home looked south to see a torrential rainstorm pounding the Salome area. Got me to thinking: Had we chosen to go in the afternoon, or one of us become injured and laid up down there, or had we even become stuck due to an impassable obstacle (would have been the case had we not brought a rope) - I think it may have been a life threatening situation. Kind of sobering. Just another reason to stay away from this one in the summer season. I'll be back for sure next June.
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Aug 28 2002
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 Gilbert, AZ
Tonto NarrowsPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Aug 28 2002
Fritzski
Hiking3.00 Miles 135 AEG
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135 ft AEG
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Looking for something good in the hottest "dog days" of summer? This one is it! At the end of August, in one of the worst extended droughts anyone can recall, the Tonto Creek was full of clear, flowing water. Judging by the water marks on the rocks, the levels seemed to be pretty much up to normal although I can imagine the flow rates would vary throughout the seasons.

This was probably the prime time to do this hike since the higher the air and water temps are - the better to keep the "chills" at bay (110F in the valley that day and it was perfect). Also, the lower flow rate makes proceeding upstream a breeze. We made it up about an extra mile or so from the main pool past the "Giddy Up" to the "Hi Oh Silver" pool as described in Pancho Doll's book "Day Trips with a Splash". Would have liked to continue on to the "Kimmosabe" pool at the Soldier Camp Creek confluence, but ran out of time.

We were the only ones there for the whole time, but it was during the week. Gisela's (guy-say-la) local "watering hole", which you can't miss is a retro-rustic piece of work from out of a Hollywood movie set - including the characters, but the service was friendly, the beer was cold, and the burgers outstanding.

The locals in there tried to tell us of another good swimming spot that "is less crowded and you can drive right up to it" at the west end (downstream) of town they call the "cottonwoods". We drove all over creation down there taking my partners 4X4 Chevy P/U on Quadrunner trails and couldn't find a thing that looked very good.
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Aug 20 2002
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 Gilbert, AZ
Peralta to Fremont SaddlePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Aug 20 2002
Fritzski
Hiking4.50 Miles 1,366 AEG
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I've always wanted to catch a hike in the Supes during a good monsoon, but it's a little like chasing a rainbow since you're never exactly sure where it will hit. Looking east from my home in Gilbert, the thunderheads were looming large this particular afternoon so I hopped in my car and headed out. This time I was lucky, but got a little more of nature's wrath than I had bargained for!

As I've mentioned before, Peralta is a good choice for a late afternoon to evening hike due to the complete shade. Add to that some thick cloud cover and a good breeze and it was an absolutely delightful start..

The vegetation looks so bad out there it made me heartsick. The brittlebush and jojoba are trashed (which may end up a blessing), the prickly pear is yellow and wilted, and some of the large sugar sumac trees are history. At least the few pinon pines that exist in and around the canyon looked relatively healthy. As usual, the wildlife around sunset in the desert is best seen in summer. Along with a cocky little chuckwalla , I saw three snakes (only one venomous), a swarm of buzzards (probably circling the idiot out hiking in the inferno), and a ringtail cat in the parking lot.

As I prepared to return from the summit of Fremont Saddle the skies began to really darken and the thunder began to echo through the canyon. It was then I decided to give "trail running" a little try in the interest of vacating the exposed area on top pronto. You could hear the rain approaching, and when it hit it was like a gail. Little walls of water formed everywhere quickly gaining strength as they cascaded together over the parched dirt. By the time I was halfway down it was pitch black, pouring rain, with lightning cracking and shaking the walls of the canyon. Walking through the ankle deep rushing rivulet that was once a trail, it was a bit of a mess to say the least (sorry, no photos as I was otherwise predisposed :).

As I finally neared the bottom, the thunder and lightning receded and then the rain let up to a drizzle. The canyon wash, however, was just now beginning to crank up to nice rushing creek. When I got to my truck, the parking lot was a muddy quagmire still under an inch of water . Funny, but nothing about this little adventure seemed to impress Rusty in the least - he just sat there in the mud waiting for his "post-hike treat"!
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Jun 05 2002
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68 male
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 Gilbert, AZ
West Pinto - Campaign to DivideGlobe, AZ
Globe, AZ
Hiking avatar Jun 05 2002
Fritzski
Hiking 2,357 AEG
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The Miles Ranch area was restored by the Globe Ranger District back in 1995. They unfortunately razed the ranch house and stone cabin, but did leave the barn standing. The meadow was farmed for years and was completely eroded with local weeds and 30-40% bare ground. Due to the restriction against motorized vehicles within the WA, they used a team of mules and antique plows to complete the five day restoration project. Although it is believed the pasture originally contained a cover of Emory oak and Cypress trees, which must have been spectacular, it was deemed impractical to attempt a replanting due to conditions. Instead they reseeded the field with native grasses, and some of the FS protective barriers are still lying about.
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Jun 05 2002
Fritzski
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 Gilbert, AZ
Charlebois from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Jun 05 2002
Fritzski
Hiking 2,680 AEG
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According to George Johnston, 'Guru of the Sonoran Desert', the giant saguaro east of Bluff Spring Mountain has 57 arms. Who wants to go out and check his math?
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May 18 2002
Fritzski
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Dripping Springs from PeraltaPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar May 18 2002
Fritzski
Hiking 632 AEG
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Looking for a better access point for future hikes, I took my Jeep up Elephant Butte Rd. out of Queen Valley. I'm between cameras, but the large rock formation for which the road is named does indeed have the striking likeness of an elephant profile. Made it all the way to the split of Whitlow and Randolph Canyons and then a little way up Randolph to within about a half mile of Coffee Flat Trail. Might be able to get even closer on the Whitlow side. It was quite slow in spots near the end, very tight, and wouldn't recommend trying it in anything wider than a Jeep Wrangler. At one time the jeep road continued all the way up to Reeds Camp in Coffee Flat Canyon where the remains of an old prospecting camp still exist. Some of the road still remains clear, some completely overgrown, and some parts through the wash have been obliterated. It is believed that Reeds Camp and Reeds Water were named after Abe Reid (a very key figure in Feldman's book 'Crooked Mountain')and the landmarks bearing his name were misspelled by the Forest Service on the topo map. He probably dug the wells under the old windmills for Barkley and the Quarter Circle U Ranch. It has been said that during the warmer months he and his prospecting partners actually lived in the holes they dug to stay cool. Quite a rough existence! Since I was there, I decided to take a quick walk and went over to Dripping Springs and back. It was 94F in the valley that day, but a nice breeze and the flat terrain made it very pleasant. The springs were slowly dripping and probably would have taken at least 10-15 minutes to fill a small water bottle.
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Apr 06 2002
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 Gilbert, AZ
Aspen / Marshall LoopTucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 06 2002
Fritzski
Hiking 600 AEG
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This beautiful little hike is truly an alpine escape.  We had a great time.  It was perfect for the kids and our new
friends Peter and Petra from Germany whom we met at the
campsite next to ours.  They even ended
up coming to visit us in Phoenix a couple days later. 


We actually drove to the top of the mountain on the old Mt.
Lemmon road, which is on the west side and was much closer to our campground at
the northwest corner.  It was passable with
2WD, but what a long and grueling drive. 
It is also very dry and arid on the western slopes compared with the
beautiful southern slopes we experienced on our drive back down.   


We did this loop in the counter-clockwise direction
beginning with the Marshall Gulch Trail. 
This first section goes pretty fast with some mild gains in elevation
and very pleasant alpine scenery.  There is a four-way intersection at Marshall
Saddle with the Wilderness of Rocks Trail going straight.  You need to make a very hard left turn
almost in the reverse direction to continue the
loop on
Aspen Trail.


The Aspen Trail continues some gentle climbs to a few spots
just off trail that offer some
spectacular views of the
Pusch Ridge.  From here you start back
down and after going through a
nice stand of oaks, I was
wondering where the aspens were.  We
finally encountered them in a
beautiful
basin, their tops just catching the afternoon sun on the
bright white bark.


Surprisingly, just before reaching the end of the loop, you
are treated to a magnificent view of the head of Sabino Canyon from atop a
sheer rock ridge.
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Mar 20 2002
Fritzski
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 Gilbert, AZ
Lost Goldmine Trail - Cloudview to LG THPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 20 2002
Fritzski
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The western section of this trail has been completed and is open to the public. As mentioned below signage may be lacking, but is on the way. This section can be accessed either from the west off Broadway trailhead or from the east at the west end of Cloudview Rd.
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Mar 12 2002
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 Gilbert, AZ
Silly Mountain Trail SystemPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 12 2002
Fritzski
Hiking 412 AEG
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The road going up the mountain that stands out as such a visible scar is a testament to how fragile our desert environment is. I believe that 4X4 'joy' road was closed almost ten years ago and it will take many decades for it to 'heal'.

Some folks in the Gold Canyon area use Silly Mountain like a mini Squaw Peak. They go out in the early AM an run up and down a few times for a great little workout.
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Mar 08 2002
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Picketpost Mountain SummitGlobe, AZ
Globe, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 08 2002
Fritzski
Hiking 1,921 AEG
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Although you will see Picket Post Mountain named
either way, I believe it is correctly spelled as two separate words.  This is
shown on an old foundation dated 1917 next to the mineshaft at the
beginning of
the hike.  The mountain
earned its name during the 1870s when it served as a lookout post (called
a "picket") for Gen. George Stoneman's infantry troops headquartered at nearby
Camp Pinal.  It was the "Old Military Trail" that supposedly connected this Post
with Fort McDowell in the present day Fountain Hills area.

 

The paved section of road
just before the trailhead is indeed the old alignment of highway 60.  One can
just imagine an old Model "T" trundling along on the verge of overheating with
every hill.

 

Some Internet hiking sites
put this hike at up to 6 miles round trip, but 4 miles seems closer to reality. 
It is a very
nice hike and
Mrs. Fritzski,
AzScrapper, and I did the left trail up and the right one down as Joe
suggests.  We really enjoyed the
unique climbing
features and
views. 
Definitely a lot of "bang for the buck!"

 

A couple interesting
observations:

You probably can't help but
notice the cement poured at the top next to the mailbox (which, by the way,
desperately needs a small pad of paper if you happen to be on your way), but if
you look really close you will also see some rocks cemented in place and little
cement foot holds poured in the
smooth rock
basin area. 

You'll also encounter a
small "cholla
forest" on the way down, but it is solely of the "Teddy Bear" variety, which
is much less common in this area than the ubiquitous "Chain Fruit".
Culture
Culture
Inscriptions
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Feb 22 2002
Fritzski
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 Gilbert, AZ
Dripping Springs from WoodburyGlobe, AZ
Globe, AZ
Hiking avatar Feb 22 2002
Fritzski
Hiking 1,012 AEG
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First off, let me congratulate Denise for doing this one
on her own.  Not the easiest trail to follow and very remote and secluded. 
Job well done!
There is often more than one trail and they are very well
defined.  There is only one problem, they are only clear up to about chest
level.  So unless you are a midget or a cow they won't do you much good. 
There are many cows, by the way, and they are big, but no need to fear, as
they are afraid of their own shadow for the most part.  Anyway, stick with
Denise's good advice and stay in the wash, which is probably the more
interesting route anyway.
This is a very pleasant and quiet canyon and the area of
Dripping Springs is beautiful.  It was
dripping quite profusely despite the drought conditions when I was there.  The cave across from
the spring is interesting.  It is a true cave as opposed to an alcove, which
is unusual for the Superstitions.  It has a very low wide entrance you need to
crawl through then
opens up inside back to about forty
feet or so.
Before heading back, check out the
nice pools just a very short ways up Randolph Canyon to the north.  Some
of them had large minnows which is something I've only seen once before in
lower Superstitions.
I elected to return via Randolph Canyon thus making for a
nice loop hike.  If that interests you, look for a Fraser/Randolph Canyons
Loop description coming shortly.  
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Feb 18 2002
Fritzski
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 Gilbert, AZ
Bluff Spring Loop & Weaver's ViewPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Feb 18 2002
Fritzski
Hiking 2,250 AEG
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  A very interesting variation on this hike is to take a
side trip up to the top of Miner's Needle.  Just below Miner's Summit you will
notice a long switchback that takes you to the furthest point west from where
a

"use" trail then continues west up toward the saddle below the Needle. 
Once up on the ridge, the terrain is strikingly smooth rock with

huge boulders strewn about.  The trail remains visible and steepens
significantly as you approach the base of the Needle.  The Needle is comprised
of three separate spires with some nice flat spots in between offering

spectacular views.  It would be a technical climb to the top of any of the
spires.

If you are heading down to Barkley Basin from the summit
it is also possible to take the old alignment of the Dutchman trail.  It is
low on the opposite, or west side of the ravine and its remains can easily be
spotted.  Although the entire trail still exists, the bushes encroaching on it
make for slow going which is kind of a shame since it is a significant
shortcut.  There are remains of an old camp and someone mysteriously bored
thumb-sized holes in all the small boulders that line the trail for quite a
distance.  I have no idea as to their purpose.
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Jan 23 2002
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 Gilbert, AZ
White CanyonGlobe, AZ
Globe, AZ
Hiking avatar Jan 23 2002
Fritzski
Hiking 660 AEG
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This is a great hike
for kids and family. 
Lots
of exploring and climbing around which kids really like.  Because of the dry
conditions, this hike was probably easier for us than it normally is.  We still
came upon a surprising number of clean and

barely flowing pools of water.  The

canyon is tight, so beware the temperatures can climb quickly in there.

We happened to run into

another hiking group near our turn around point at about a mile and a half. 
Among them was a well-known artist in the Phoenix area named Anne Coe.  She is
also the original founder of the "Superstition Area Land Trust".  Others in the
group were instrumental in helping with the construction of the new "Lost
Goldmine" trail in the Superstitions.
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Jan 10 2002
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Herman's CavePhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Jan 10 2002
Fritzski
Hiking 1,874 AEG
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After having just returned From Clay Worst's 'Dutchman' presentation for the Superstition Mountain Historical Society, I learned a couple things.

First, although Waltz did actually enter the mountains from what is the present day Quarter Circle U Ranch, the allignment of the trail actually went up the west side of Miners Needle instead of the east as it does today. Also, no one is actually sure as to where he went from the top of Miners Needle. Some think east to LaBarge as mentioned above, others think west toward the Needle Canyon area. Good luck! :)
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Jan 09 2002
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Lost Goldmine Trail - Cloudview to LG THPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Fritzski
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I have been informed by SALT Chairman Rosemary Shearer that the final stretch of the trail between Hieroglyphic and Broadway is in various stages of completion. Any one interested in volunteering to help can email her fo more info. As of now they are meeting every Wed. morning at 8:30AM at the west end of Cloudview Rd. They are only allowed to work on the trail until sometime in March due to environmental reasons.

I also received an informative email from Mr. Chuck Backus, the owner of the Quarter Circle U Ranch and he told me that the reason so many of the springs are now dry is that they require regular maintenance to stay operational. Since cattle operations were greatly curtailed in the Superstitions many years back there has been no one to tend to the upkeep of the springs.
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Dec 07 2001
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Cave Trail #233Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Fritzski
Hiking 1,400 AEG
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As an alternative to the normal route down
the Cave Trail one may opt to explore the so-called "back side".  The Cave Trail
encounters two major rock formations along its ridge.  The normal route contours
the upper portions of the ridge on the west side of these formations.  The "back
side", as you may have deduced,

would skirt them to the east.

The first formation I'll call Geronimo Rock as is houses the well known cave of
the same name.  It is very tricky to find where the trail begins coming down
from the top as we did.  Coming up from the bottom
you will plainly see a "use" trail heading up to the right of Devil's Slide.

The next formation is "The Fortress" which is popular with rock climbers.  We
were unable to complete a back side route at this point.  Approaching it from
the

north it looked like a very viable route to stay high and to the left, but
right behind the Fortress we encountered a sheer drop with no obvious descent
point.  Back tracking around to the front side was no treat.  After taking the
normal front side we went back around from the bottom side to survey the wall
and saw no good route from that end either.

Use your imagination, have fun, and be careful.
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Nov 18 2001
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Deer Creek Trail #45Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 18 2001
Fritzski
Hiking 2,192 AEG
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I have to say I was not all that impressed
with this trail.  Compared to what I've come to expect from most Mazatzal
trails, I found this one just a bit dull.  I'll admit it would probably be much
more pleasant if I went when there was water flowing in the creek.

One unfortunate problem is that until about the 6mi point this trail remains
mostly up out of the riparian creek bed and on the exposed sides of the

ravine.  From the 6mi point it begins to

drop in and

improve.

At roughly the 7.5mi point you will come across the

Davey Gowan trail which is a short cut over to the South Fork and Gold Ridge
trails.  At the upper portions of the trail it becomes more of a Douglas Fir
forest and you can catch some nice glimpses of the

surrounding peaks.

It is smooth and the elevation gain is gradual and consistent, so you can really
hump it along,  but to do the entire 8.8 miles in then back out would take
considerably longer than the 5 hours posted above.

For my money, of the three trails that originate from the Deer Creek trailhead,
the South Fork trail is the hands down winner.
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Nov 09 2001
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Camelback Summit - Cholla THPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Hiking 1,275 AEG
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Very nice time and a great little workout
for such a quick hike.  It was a warm morning, but

a good breeze made it perfect. 

Views from the top are superb.

Intended on doing Echo Canyon, but it was closed.  This caused the Cholla to be
a little on the busy side, but actually enjoyable as somewhat of a social
scene.  Very friendly fellow hikers!
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Nov 07 2001
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Black Top MesaPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 07 2001
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Hiking 1,558 AEG
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Unlike the drawings or pictographs in
Hieroglyphic Canyon, the symbols found on top of Black Top Mesa are thought to
be true hieroglyphs possibly left by Mexican miners.  This means that they were
indeed meant as symbols for communication as opposed to petroglyphs which were
commonly left by indian tribes such as the Hohokam.

I quote the following from the "Trails of Adventure" website by Southwest
Publications:

The Spanish Hieroglyphics are located on the southern most tip of Blacktop
Mesa north of Weaver's Needle. The rock carvings are believed to be Spanish
because of the word "ORO" carved next another rock showing a sunburst. The
sunburst in Spanish treasure signs and symbols means "Mine location, Mineral
below". This sunburst is overdone which means "a very rich mine". It also has
the eye of God in the middle of the sunburst which means the treasure is blessed
or is being guarded by God. Near the two rocks is another carving of a locator
map. Many believe if you can solve this map, you will find the Lost Dutchman's
Gold Mine.

I was able to locate the

sunburst and what appeared to look like a compass

rose, but not the map.  There is so much graffiti, some I saw dating back to
as far as

1957, that it is hard to tell what's really authentic.  My guess is much has
been pilfered or destroyed over the years.

I chose an optional return route by continuing on the Bull Pass trail to the
Dutchman trail and back.  This extra loop around Black Top Mesa adds about 3.5
miles but is quite interesting.  Passing between Black Top Mesa and Palomino Mtn.
look up and to your left for a shot of

Aylor's Arch.  Also if you poke around in the area of Aylor's Caballo Camp
you may find some

interesting things.  Do you think maybe he was planning on coming back to
use these? :)
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