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Second Water - Black Mesa cut Loop - 5 members in 16 triplogs have rated this an average 3.6 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Oct 14 2021
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71 male
 Joined Feb 12 2002
 Gold Canyon, AZ
Second Water - Black Mesa cut LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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AZLOT69Triplogs 2,011
Hiking9.33 Miles 462 AEG
Hiking9.33 Miles
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Excellent hike, great to get out in the superstitions today. A few groups of horses, one other hiker, perfect !
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Nov 03 2019
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55 female
 Joined Apr 15 2016
 Gilbert, AZ
Second Water - Black Mesa cut LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 03 2019
jamminazTriplogs 37
Hiking9.84 Miles 1,370 AEG
Hiking9.84 Miles   5 Hrs   54 Mns   1.79 mph
1,370 ft AEG      25 Mns Break
 
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This hike offered a little bit of everything...exactly what we were looking for on a Sunday morning in the Superstitions! Found a crested saguaro off the Black Mesa trail to boot! The cross cut from Black Mesa to The Boulder Canyon trail is slower than I thought it would be. It’s free form and weaving in and out of cactus and cats claw is slow going. (Read the warning that long pants are recommended!) Great views and loved dropping into the canyon and boulder hopping!
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Dec 10 2017
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50 male
 Joined Jan 26 2011
 Phoenix, AZ
Second Water - Black Mesa cut LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 10 2017
capcycloneTriplogs 81
Hiking14.00 Miles 462 AEG
Hiking14.00 Miles
462 ft AEG
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Actually did a slightly different loop starting from First Water Trailhead, took 104 (Dutchman) to Bull Pass Trail to Boulder Canyon Trail and then Second Water Trail back to First Water Trailhead. 14 miles total. A couple of nice inclines to beautiful views of Weaver's Needle and Battleship Mountain along the way. Fun hike! Great weather, but no real opportunities for water right now. We need rain!
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Jan 29 2016
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79 male
 Joined Dec 16 2011
 Mesa,Az
LaBarge Box Canyon Lasso, AZ 
LaBarge Box Canyon Lasso, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jan 29 2016
hikingaz2Triplogs 217
Hiking15.83 Miles 2,120 AEG
Hiking15.83 Miles   8 Hrs   38 Mns   2.47 mph
2,120 ft AEG   2 Hrs   14 Mns Break12 LBS Pack
 
1st trip
Wanted to go to one of our favorite spots, LaBarge Box Canyon, but just a little different route. Had done 2nd Water - Black Mesa cut Loop 4 years ago, so let's incorporate this, would make it interesting. I will admit, the going down Black Mesa Cut is a whole lot easier then going up the dang thing. :oplz: Spotted a couple of campers at 2nd Water / Boulder Trail intersection, but no breakfast offered :cry: . Lot of water running in both Boulder and LaBarge Creeks, Just a Perfect Day for being Outdoors :y: : app :
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Feb 01 2014
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66 male
 Joined Jan 20 2009
 Far NE Phoenix,
Nightmare in the Superstitions Revisited, AZ 
Nightmare in the Superstitions Revisited, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Feb 01 2014
The_EagleTriplogs 1,944
Hiking16.73 Miles 5,157 AEG
Hiking16.73 Miles   11 Hrs   4 Mns   1.70 mph
5,157 ft AEG   1 Hour   15 Mns Break14 LBS Pack
 
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Revisiting a Nightmare
http://hikearizona.com/trip=83142

Couldn't talk Denny into a redo.... He still shakes at the mention of that day.
Joe on the other hand, is just as stupid as me... We have short memories.

Slightly different route planned this time to pick up some Supes trails I had not yet been on.
First time on Second Water, Black Mesa, and Massacre. Main plan was still intact approach Flatiron/5024 from the East on Old West Boulder Ridge and exit 5024 to the north hitting Massacre on the way down.

We had our doubts on the weather, with dark clouds in the area to start. It got sunny, it got cloudy again, it got windy, we got sprinkled on, saw lightning in the distance.... A perfect day.

O'Grady Canyon was nicer than anticipated with some nice easy hiking around the small falls and pools of water. The Climb to Old West Boulder Ridge was just as friggin steep as last time. This time however, once at the top, we were able to enjoy the absolute HUGE views of the Supes. Last time it was Cold Temps, High Winds and 10' visibility. This is a real pretty Ridgeline walk to get over to the Superstition Ridgeline trail with views...did I mention the views.

We ran in to Haz'er Ray Huston..good to meet you!!...on the way to Flatiron. From Flatiron it was over to the Crash Memorial for the first time and then a scramble up to 5024 from there.

We started our decent to the north off of 5024 and had lunch by some sweet Hoodoos.

This next portion was the portion that had the most concern for me. It was steep and loose and very slooow going, but not as bad as expected getting down to Massacre Falls. We checked out the dry fall / pour off area... and then scrambled down to the trail.

The sun was getting low in the sky and the shadows added to the incredible views for the day.

http://youtu.be/00RMYrJ0B9k


Really enjoyed this loop....

ps.. Denny... We checked it out... another 50 yards and we would have made it down the scary spot.
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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Massacre Falls - at Massacre Grounds Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Small pools on top of the dry falls

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max O'Grady Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Numerous pools with filterable water

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max O'Grady Creek Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Some pools with filer-able water

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Mar 23 2013
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81 male
 Joined Feb 17 2010
 Apache Junction,
Black Mesa Loop - Superstition MtnsPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 23 2013
AZLumberjackTriplogs 490
Hiking9.40 Miles 1,125 AEG
Hiking9.40 Miles   4 Hrs   18 Mns   2.19 mph
1,125 ft AEG
 
I felt the urge to get out for a hike after a week of shuttling my brother to Mayo in Scottsdale for radiation treatment on two tumors, one on his back, the other on his spine. So I got up early and was at the First Water TH signing in at 0(dark)600. It's such a relief to get out before the trails get choked with hikers and this morning was no different as I listened to a couple of owls hooting off in the distance.

I made good time on the deserted trails and was coming up on Parker Pass as the sun was breaking over Black Top Mesa. I was finally able to get some first-light shots of some Indian Paintbrushes that are making a strong spring presence along the Dutchman's Trail. As I descended into Boulder Canyon, I was pleasantly surprised to hear and then see a good volume of water in Boulder Creek, I thought it would be dry by now.

The trail signpost came into view and I made a left turn onto the Black Mesa Trail heading up towards Yellow Peak. I crossed Boulder Creek again and tried to get some photos of a pair of Blue Jays bouncing around the branches of a Palo Verde, but they didn't like my presence and stayed out of range. The well worn trail leading up is full of loose rock and it's hard to make good time along it but soon it levels off as I entered a forest of Jumping Cholla. It was along here that I met my first hikers and they were followed by several more (21 in all). So there went the peace and quiet that I had gotten so used to already.

The slopes of Black Mesa are full of blooming Brittlebush and it's such a pleasure to see so much color in the Superstitions and smell the aroma of the season. Soon I was arriving in Garden Valley with it's noisy crowds so I made a left turn following the Second Water Trail down into the valley. A short distance later and I was at the old Barkley Ranch site and presented with a very colorful patch of Purple Sand Mat that covered the entire area.

Too soon I was back at the trailhead talking with the Forest Service Volunteers about my hike as the hikers continued to pour into the already full parking lot. Yep, it's worth getting up early to have the trails all to yourself.... for a while.
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Although labeled Moderate, there's all the signs in place for much more.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max First Water Creek - Upper Turnoff Light flow Light flow
There's a light flow that sounds like a lot more.

dry First Water Creek at Second Water Trail #236 Dry Dry
No flowing water at the crossing

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max West Boulder - Dutchman Crossing Medium flow Medium flow
Very pleasant flow, you might get your feet wet if you're not careful.
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Jun 09 2012
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36 male
 Joined Jul 08 2012
 Chandler, AZ
Second Water - Black Mesa cut LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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CestrinTriplogs 4
Hiking9.33 Miles 462 AEG
Hiking9.33 Miles
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This was my first hike in the Phoenix area. Nice constant grade with a little water towards the end.
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Feb 14 2012
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73 male
 Joined Feb 10 2012
 Anthem, AZ
Second Water - Black Mesa cut LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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JgotimeTriplogs 2
Hiking9.33 Miles 462 AEG
Hiking9.33 Miles   4 Hrs   5 Mns   2.43 mph
462 ft AEG      15 Mns Break
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Somewhat deceptive as to how easy it is to navigate the trail. Beautiful views with a lovely meadow.
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Jan 30 2012
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34 female
 Joined Mar 02 2010
 Chandler, AZ
Second Water - Black Mesa cut LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Jan 30 2012
ashleyroseyTriplogs 13
Hiking9.33 Miles 462 AEG
Hiking9.33 Miles   4 Hrs   30 Mns   2.07 mph
462 ft AEG
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Went out with my sister in law. Waaaay too hot out already.
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Mar 10 2010
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43 male
 Joined Feb 22 2010
 MESA, AZ
Boulder Canyon Loop from First Water THPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 10 2010
Pathfinder AaronTriplogs 7
Hiking12.00 Miles 1,560 AEG
Hiking12.00 Miles   12 Hrs      1.00 mph
1,560 ft AEG
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1st trip
This was the first hike I went on with the group I am currently hiking with. It was kind of a test hike to see where we all were, and how we all needed to improve in different areas for longer backpacking trips we were planning on going on. It definitely taught us a couple things.
We started off at the first water trailhead at around 9:00am. The air was chilly, you could see your breath. Along the trail there was lots of cholla with snow on them. I got a couple nice photos of these along the way. We made our way up to Black Mesa. At the top there were open fields and lots of cholla off to the right. The Second Water Trail #236 and the Black Mesa Trail #241 intersection was extremely muddy that day. Further northeast on Black Mesa there was a water tank you pass off to the left. I heven't been back to that area in some time, so I don't know if it's normally there or when it has water, but it was about half full that day. Shortly afater the water tank you begin your decent down into Boulder Canyon. Along this part of the trail there are some pretty great views of Battleship Mountain ahead ov you making for some awesome scenery, and great photos. As you make your way down, small cascading waterfalls follow you off to the right. About halfway down to Boulder Creek, we stopped and had lunch in an area off to the right near a small waterfall with the magnificent Battleship Mountain to look at. When we got down to the water, it was flowing nicely. Initially there were sections that we had no problem crossing. I had never been on this hike before and the maps I was able to scrounge up didn't show where the trail went in great detail, so I had a difficult time following the trail as it was not very apparent and sometime non-existent in places. I couldn't tell if it was that we were just not very good at trailfinding at the time, but it seemed like the trail would lead across the the creek, and then just kind of disappear. I wasn't sure how the trail maintenence had been and how much overgrowth there was, so we spent a lot of time searching for the trail. The route up the creek seemed to be taking a lot longer than what we had planned on. The group wasn't particularly skilled at boulder hopping and creek travel and well, that's what we did most of this hike. A good learning experience however. From what I recall, along the way, maybe half the way down Boulder Creek to the Black Mesa Trail intersection, as the south end of Battleship Mountain tapers down and the terrain opens up along the east banks, there was a gigantic Saguaro that I took a picture of. I suppose being so close to the water gave it what it needed to get so big. It was cool getting to see one so large, I wondered how old it might have been. Around 3/4 of the way down Boulder Creek or so, the sun was getting pretty low in the sky. Shadows were being cast on the rock faces to our east and we knew we really needed to hurry as we had not planned on being out past dark. The creek had really slowed us down. As we made our way, Black Top Mesa and Weavers Needle way far off in the distance came into view. It was pretty cool seeing the needle in the setting sun. Now even darker, the sun beginning to set, we made our way up the ravine to the top of Black Mesa along #241. As we reached the top and headed north east towards the second water trail intersection, the sun had pretty much gone down and it was getting pretty darn cold. My girlfriend did not have a light source with her, and the other two I was with were sharing a small flashlight. My sweat soaked hat was now icey and I debated whether taking it off would make my head colder or warmer since it was basically an ice hat. I kept it on though thinking my shaved head would lose heat faster without it even though it had ice on it. We eventually made it to Second Water Trail and from that point on it was pretty fast since we recongnized all the landmarks. We got back to the First Water Trailhead at around 9:00pm, cold, warn out, and schooled. It was a great trip though, excellent lunch, great views, and a lot learned on this trip that would help out in our upcoming adventures. I would like to go back someday, and maybe do some trail maintenance along the Boulder Canyon area. It just seemed pretty overgrown when we went. I have no idea how it is now a year or so later. We'll see.
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Feb 19 2010
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32 male
 Joined May 19 2009
 Scottsdale, AZ
Second Water - Black Mesa cut LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Feb 19 2010
T HarrisTriplogs 30
Hiking9.33 Miles 462 AEG
Hiking9.33 Miles   4 Hrs      2.33 mph
462 ft AEG
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My dad wanted to go on a hike with me, and he heard about this trail. I thought it was kind of on the boring side, but it was a good being out there with my dad.
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Jun 22 2009
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61 male
 Joined May 13 2009
 Phoenix, az
Second Water - Black Mesa cut LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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hikerkgTriplogs 19
Hiking9.33 Miles 462 AEG
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462 ft AEG
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Feb 01 2009
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71 male
 Joined Feb 12 2002
 Gold Canyon, AZ
Second Water - Black Mesa cut LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Feb 01 2009
AZLOT69Triplogs 2,011
Hiking10.00 Miles 462 AEG
Hiking10.00 Miles   5 Hrs      2.00 mph
462 ft AEG
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About one third of this trip is bushwhack-scramble-bouldering. What a great way to spend the day. With no sign of anyone being thru here in a year its easy to feel like a pioneer in a few areas of the Superstitions still. The grass on Black Mesa cover countless rocks testing my ankle support. Stopping for a snack in one of the canyons, I was surprised to see rock art directly across from me. Later I was surprised by more petroglyphs. A great roundtrip and without seeing a soul until my return to Garden Valley.
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Feb 09 2008
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32 male
 Joined Jan 18 2008
 Gilbert, AZ
Second Water - Black Mesa cut LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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caseydooley1Triplogs 3
Hiking9.33 Miles 462 AEG
Hiking9.33 Miles   12 Hrs      0.78 mph
462 ft AEG
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Amazing hike :) :)
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Dec 31 2007
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54 male
 Joined Nov 04 2006
 Phoenix, AZ
Second Water - Black Mesa cut LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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woarnoartTriplogs 31
Hiking9.33 Miles 462 AEG
Hiking9.33 Miles
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Dec 30 2007
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54 male
 Joined Nov 04 2006
 Phoenix, AZ
Second Water - Black Mesa cut LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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woarnoartTriplogs 31
Hiking9.20 Miles 1,125 AEG
Hiking9.20 Miles   6 Hrs      1.53 mph
1,125 ft AEG
 
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I did a the loop Black Mesa/Second Water Spring. Once on top of Black Mesa I took a left through the Cholla's and did a off trail hike to the Boulder Canyon Trail and from there to the Second Water Trail. Especially the Canyon just before the Boulder Canyon Trail was worth the trip.
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