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Whiskey Spring Trail #238 - 32 members in 125 triplogs have rated this an average 3.3 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Mar 14 2021
Andrewrdc
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 Chandler, AZ
Dutchman to whisky spring canyon, AZ 
Dutchman to whisky spring canyon, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Mar 14 2021
Andrewrdc
Hiking13.52 Miles 2,039 AEG
Hiking13.52 Miles   7 Hrs   28 Mns   2.03 mph
2,039 ft AEG      48 Mns Break10 LBS Pack
 
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Great hike today into the Supes with my buddy Eric. Started at Peralta at about 7:30am along the Dutchman trail towards Miners Needle. Parking lot was about half full at that time... definitely need to get there early on a weekend! Have not been out to Miners in about 7 years... was great hiking along Dutchman and spectacular views of Miners as you head up the hill toward Whisky Spring trail junction. Though, must comment on how painful it is to look back and see hundreds, if not thousands of brown (ie dead) saguaro cactus in the valley to the south of Miners Needle due to the fires.

Started up Whisky Spring trail with the intent purpose of determining if one could hammock camp anywhere along this trail. Happy to find some spots at just past Whisky Spring where one could get "creative" with some hanging options. Nice campsite by the spring with a couple of spots for tents as well. Disappointing, but not surprised, to find no really "hanging" options at LaBarge box canyon (where Whisky Spring trail ends and intersects with Red Tanks trail).

Nonetheless, great day hike... always enjoyable out in the Supes!

Andrew
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Feb 28 2021
friendofThundergod
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Herman & Music, AZ 
Herman & Music, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Feb 28 2021
friendofThundergod
Hiking20.61 Miles 5,142 AEG
Hiking20.61 Miles   11 Hrs      1.87 mph
5,142 ft AEG
 
1st trip
I knocked out a big day in the Supes with Jordyn today. We opted for a couple of walk up summits in the backcountry, Herman and Music Mountains.

We cruised to the summit of Herman and were signing the register a mere three hours after we had left the trailhead. We took the first obvious drainage that looks like it goes from the Red Tanks Trail after crossing LaBarge Creek. A dryfall with a black streak is visible from the trail and we took the chance that the fall could be bypassed or climbed. Some light scrambling and an exposed third class move was required to climb the fall and we were soon making our way up the grassy slopes of Herman. As we hiked up Herman we noticed that there was a pretty direct route from Trap Canyon up to the summit of Music. So after signing the register, we made the steep and somewhat spicy descent into Trap Canyon. From there, we shot a direct azimuth up the steep grassy slopes to the summit of Music.

The line we took to Music was steep and a little strenuous, but there wasn´t much brush and it seemed to go rather quickly. We replaced the summit register and tried to interpret the names in the old register, which appears to have been taking on water for awhile now. All the names appeared to be HAZ users, however, the register had not been signed since 2012. The descent from Music got tedious to say the least. I had remembered seeing some lines above LaBarge Spring that appeared to get through the Bluffs over the years, but these could not be located that easily from above. We ended up taking a very steep descent into and unnamed drainage that drained into Music Canyon. We ended up in a good old Supes bushwhack for a period there and found ourselves walking across overgrown brush as if we were floating at times. After the brush portion it was time to earn our canyoneering badges. We had several interesting down climbs for about a .3 mile stretch, highlighted by a tremendous rock slide area that had created a literal Maze of house sized boulders to navigate. The going was extremely slow through this short section of unnamed canyon. I hope I never get as excited and relieved as I was today about reaching fire damaged Supes terrain. From the fire damage it was just a quick knee rattling descent to the trail.

We returned via Bluff Springs Trail #235. Some how we only saw one hiker all day and it was a great day to be out in the Supes, especially after the clouds moved in. Its been awhile since I stretched my legs like this in the Supes and it felt good. Thanks for getting me motivated for this one Jordyn and thank you for the patience on the Music descent.

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Feb 28 2021
DixieFlyer
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 Fountain Hills,
Caught in a Trap (Canyon) IV, AZ 
Caught in a Trap (Canyon) IV, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Feb 28 2021
DixieFlyer
Hiking19.30 Miles 3,169 AEG
Hiking19.30 Miles   8 Hrs   55 Mns   2.71 mph
3,169 ft AEG   1 Hour   47 Mns Break
 
It was a nice winter day, so I decided to make another trip to Trap Canyon.

We went in the west side, and we went a bit farther than I had gone before -- we were probably 2,000 feet or so from the east end of the canyon. I could tell that a couple of my compadres were not really interested in going farther, so we reversed course and went back to the Red Tanks Trail on the west side of the canyon.

It was a great day to do the hike -- the temperature was around 60 and it was sunny and breezy. Early on we saw a few backpackers, and we saw a few more backbackers within a mile of the TH. I think that we only encountered one day hiker the whole day, and that was around Miners Needle.

As we neared the TH, at the Bluff Springs-Dutchman trail junction, we saw a group of about 10-15 bighorn sheep on the cliffs to the west. The sheep hung around for a long time, and that was cool to see.
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There are no wildflowers blooming at this time.

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There were a few pools of water in Trap Canyon. Most were stagnant water, but you might have been able to filter water in a couple of the pools.

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There was a little bit of water around the spring.
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Feb 02 2021
AndrewAZ
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 Phoenix, AZ
Dripping Springs Super LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Feb 02 2021
AndrewAZ
Hiking20.15 Miles 4,134 AEG
Hiking20.15 Miles   9 Hrs   38 Mns   2.09 mph
4,134 ft AEG
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Dutchman :next: Coffee Flat :next: Red Tanks :next: Whiskey Spring :next: Dutchman

I started walking a little bit before 7am. The Peralta TH had maybe a dozen vehicles--quite the difference compared to a weekend morning.

About a half mile before the windmills along Coffee Flat trail, I saw a pack of javelinas. What's the correct collective noun for javelinas? A gregory? A gregory of peccaries? Anyway, a pack. I then saw a second pack at the windmills, and saw at least 16 of them, including plenty of young ones.

As always, Red Tanks is a hot trail to climb in late morning on a day headed towards 80 degrees. Only a small trickle of water flowing out of the first half of the trail. After the big climb into the second half, there was more water flowing along Red Tanks down towards Upper Labarge box and some nice spots to easily collect water.

This was my second or third time along Red Tanks since the fires, so between that and people helpfully building more cairns, I found it easier to navigate the burned areas. Not too much time spent looking for trail or wandering around this time.

This was my nth time in Upper Labarge box, and I finally stayed on the trail the whole time without any wild bouldering down the center of the wash. Whiskey Springs was hot and exposed in the afternoon.

The part of Dutchman dropping past Miner's Needle is always enjoyable. I like how the trail works its way down and around that drainage. Surprisingly, there was a big pool of water partway down the trail that had a steady trickle filling it.

I made it back to the parking area without ever seeing another person on the trail all day. Some water out there, but unless it rains more soon, I can imagine it drying up soon.
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DixieFlyer
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 Fountain Hills,
Caught in a Trap (Canyon) III, AZ 
Caught in a Trap (Canyon) III, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jan 22 2021
DixieFlyer
Hiking18.60 Miles 2,838 AEG
Hiking18.60 Miles   8 Hrs   49 Mns   2.46 mph
2,838 ft AEG   1 Hour   16 Mns Break
 
It was a nice day so I decided to make another trip out to Trap Canyon. Like the last time, I did the Whiskey West-Red Tanks loop CW with an in-and-out side trip into Trap Canyon.

From the Red Tanks Trail, I went 2 miles into Trap Canyon. I would have liked to continue, but I got a late start to the hike and it was 1:15 when I decided to turn around, since I had almost 10 miles to turn around and hike back to the TH. Trap Canyon is pretty cool, and I am hoping to start earlier and go all the way through the canyon next time.

It was a good day to be out -- there was some cloud cover part of the day which was welcome with the mid 60's temperatures. I only saw 3 people all day -- one hiker on the Bluff Springs Trail and two backpackers on the Whiskey Spring Trail.
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Jan 17 2021
Watauga
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 Tempe
Whiskey West-Red Tanks LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Watauga
Backpack13.40 Miles 2,150 AEG
Backpack13.40 Miles2 Days         
2,150 ft AEG16 LBS Pack
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Started off at Peralta TH shortly after noon. Skies were clear and the sun was just hot enough to work up a sweat. The first mile of Dutchman's was nice, however once the trail flattened out in the approach to Miner's we were surrounded by fire damage. Burn conditions were consistent through the rest of the hike until the last mile and a half of Bluff Springs as we approached Peralta again. The trail was easy to follow, save for a few of the "creek" crossings on the western end of Red Tanks.

We made camp after roughly 8.25 miles in as there were plenty of sites along Red Tanks. The abundance of great spots made me question why a large group of 8-10 decided to camp right in the middle of the trail in front of La Barge Spring. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
La Barge Spring had a great and refreshing flow. All others directly on the route were bone dry, save for a few stagnant and gnarly pools.

The hike back to the car the next morning was nice and cruisy, though Bluff Springs was much busier than either Whiskey Springs or Red Tanks the day before. All in all it was a very enjoyable loop. The distance was just right for an overnighter and one can never complain about camping close to a great water source in the desert.

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Flowing strong and clear.
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Dec 24 2020
DixieFlyer
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 Fountain Hills,
Caught in a Trap (Canyon) II, AZ 
Caught in a Trap (Canyon) II, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Dec 24 2020
DixieFlyer
Hiking18.00 Miles 2,729 AEG
Hiking18.00 Miles   8 Hrs   24 Mns   2.48 mph
2,729 ft AEG   1 Hour   9 Mns Break
 
I decided to make another trip to Trap Canyon -- this time I went in from the west side. I followed the route from the "Trap Canyon - West Entrance Loop", although I went farther in the canyon than on this loop hike. Even so, I only got about half-way through the canyon. I would have liked to go further, but I got a late start and didn't want to spend Christmas Eve night hunkered down in Trap Canyon.

This was my first time to be on the Bluff Springs Trail since the fires last summer. There was no fire damage for about 1.25 miles, but after that there was quite a bit of damage in places. It got torched pretty good close to the Dutchman Trail. I was happy to see that the large trees in the riparian area near La Barge Spring survived the fire. In fact, they had some nice fall color!

I saw 7 people on the Bluff Spring Trail and did not see another person until I got almost back to the TH, where I saw another hiker. I am not counting the 2 dead bodies in Trap Canyon -- just kidding; but I would not have been to surprised to find a body in there, as it is a bit creepy in Trap Canyon.

I plan to go back again and see if I can make my way all the way through the canyon, and I'll have to decide whether to come in from the east side or the west side.
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Dec 19 2020
BiFrost
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 Phoenix, AZ
Red Tanks La Barge Loop, AZ 
Red Tanks La Barge Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Dec 19 2020
BiFrost
Hiking20.72 Miles 4,031 AEG
Hiking20.72 Miles   9 Hrs   7 Mns   2.55 mph
4,031 ft AEG      59 Mns Break
 
1st trip
Long loop starting from Peralta trailhead. We hiked out Coffee Flat first and were in the burn fairly quick. The area was pretty cooked for several miles across Coffee Flat. Eventually dropped into Randolph Canyon which was better but still burn here and there. Randolph was nice with some fall color still holding on and occasional trickle of water. At the Red Tanks confluence there were several really nice pools so we decided to have our first break.

After the break continued up canyon to the Red Tanks Divide which had really good views of Red Tanks and La Barge. From there we dropped into upper La Barge Canyon and happy to be going down this trail instead of up. Scenic section of La Barge that avoided a lot of the burn. Near the bottom we took a longer break or late lunch before continuing on to Whiskey Spring.

Whiskey Spring had water with a few small pools that were plenty good if needed. We checked the area for a few minutes before moving on. Near Miners Summit we took the trail back down to Coffee Flat and returned to Peralta. We only saw 3 people on our loop even though the parking lot was full with everyone going the popular trails :)
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Dec 15 2020
DixieFlyer
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 Fountain Hills,
Caught in a Trap (Canyon), AZ 
Caught in a Trap (Canyon), AZ
 
Hiking avatar Dec 15 2020
DixieFlyer
Hiking18.40 Miles 3,578 AEG
Hiking18.40 Miles   8 Hrs   42 Mns   2.39 mph
3,578 ft AEG   1 Hour    Break
 
We're caught in a trap
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With the weather being nice, I decided that this would be a good day to go check out a bit of Trap Canyon, which I had never been to. I decided to go in on the east side, and I wound up going on 3 trails that I had not been on before: Whiskey Spring, Red Tanks, and Hoolie Bacon.

I started a bit later than I intended, and the going was a lot slower on the Red Tanks Trail than I envisioned, so I was not able to get very far into Trap Canyon due to time constraints. I plan to get out there again and go into the canyon from the west side and check it out. Sometime I'd like to go all the way through the canyon, but I'll have to start earlier than I did today. On today's hike, from Trap Canyon I went back the same way that I came, so it was an out-and-back hike.

I enjoyed hiking in a part of the Supes that I had not been to before, although there was some significant fire damage on some portions of the hike. The worst damage was on the Dutchman Trail, including the area around Miners Needle. I imagine that thousands of saguaros will die -- even if new saguaros started now, as slow as they grow it would take 75-100 years for them to get back to the way they were.

The Whiskey Spring, Red Tanks, and Hoolie Bacon trails were all a bit overgrown -- you'll brush up against a bit of catsclaw on these trails, although it isn't TOO bad.

I did not encounter even one person on the hike -- there were a few cars at the parking lot, but I guess that the people there went up the Peralta Trail trying to find the Wave Cave!...lol
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Nov 15 2020
ScottHika
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 Phoenix
Whiskey West-Red Tanks LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 15 2020
ScottHika
Hiking21.07 Miles 4,176 AEG
Hiking21.07 Miles
4,176 ft AEG   1 Hour    Break15 LBS Pack
 
Another adventure in the Superstitions with my buddy Tim. We decided to look for 3 things today called Whiskey Springs loop with side trips. You might see that our route up to Miners Saddle was off trail. The reason is that we took the old pack trail (from Quarter Circle U) looking for the lost Peak 3748 Azimuth mark named Circle AZ MK. That marker is somewhere on the west side of the draw but east of Miners Needle on the original route to the summit. The pack trail is practically gone now due to no traffic, recent fires, erosion and regrowth. Most people prefer the new Dutchman’s route up the East side of the canyon. We probably walked right by it, so no luck once again.

We then proceeded around Whiskey Springs trail up to the Peak 3748 summit. Circle (after Quarter Circle U) has unique views of Miner’s needle and Cathedral rock. Kollenborn calls it Castle Rock, Carlson calls it Cathedral rock, and Shelly calls it the Three Bears. I’m also adding a skyline photo of something I didn’t have last time I took pictures here. I was using my Kodak 110 Camera at the time. See photoset of peak finder.

Then back down Whiskey Springs canyon and through the upper box. Whiskey Springs was torched during Woodbury fire and still very slowly recovering. Next we wanted to check the water level at Brad’s Water. As usual the cave was full, perhaps down a bit. Since people keep bathing in there, it’s a good idea to filter any water you drink. It is a reliable source year round, which is critical in this area.

The final exploration was to locate and assess the mysterious LaBarge Spring No 2. This was my first trip back there. Sadly after poking around for a while (and being poked) we found no evidence of water, no improvements, or any other manmade structures. I did see fresh footprints from somebody, which was a real shock given the off trail and remoteness of the spring. Since there is adequate water at nearby Brads, there is little need to pursue LaBarge 2 during the dry season.

We ran a little late due to clowning around and a scree slide on my back into a family of Prickly Pears. Good to have a buddy around to pull the big thorns out of my back. The hundreds of smaller ones had to wait until I got home. Tough love reminder to pay attention. Caught a cool drink at old faithful LaBarge 1 and headed back.

We ended up coming back Bluff Spring 235 in the dark. Bluff is not especially technical at night but the canyon crossings in the dark were interesting. I should point out that the Superstations are not an appropriate place to start if you just got your very first trail light. I’ve decided that I now know why some people put obvious cairns when no cairns are necessary. It is because they are night hikers. Haha The obvious cairns are useful when you can only see five feet in front of you.

The downside of night hiking is you cannot see anything. The upside of night hiking is that you cannot see anything. With all of the scorched earth in Barks, it’s possible to hike at night and remember greener times. Another great thing is that the Stars are spectacular out there. Fire restrictions have been extended through year’s end I believe. We detected at least two different groups of packers/campers with fires. We passed fairly close by one of them near Crystal Spring. Tim dared me to bust into the camp and ask them to put out their fire. I passed.
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dry Brads Canyon Dry Dry
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Confluence is dry. If you don't mind a trip up the canyon to Brad's cave, there is year round filterable water.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Not sure how to measure flow. The cave is full but don't know how fast it is fed. Spring boxes have been compromised for a long time. There is some puddling near the upper pipes.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout

dry Labarge Spring Number Two Dry Dry
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Wanted report to check availability during dry season. The spring appears dry. If there are improvements or reliable water at LaBarge 2, we couldn't find any. There was some water in small pools down canyon in dry grass perhaps from recent rain?

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout


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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Spring boxes are filled with dirt. The pipe is making slow drip molasses. Some pools further down the canyon look promising.

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Jan 02 2020
ryancourtright
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Hike to Herman's Cave, AZ 
Hike to Herman's Cave, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jan 02 2020
ryancourtright
Hiking16.71 Miles 3,558 AEG
Hiking16.71 Miles   8 Hrs   12 Mns   2.17 mph
3,558 ft AEG      31 Mns Break
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What a hike! Started at 9am, got back around 5pm. Definitely a lengthy hike for a day trip, probably be better to camp it for more time. Loved all the water that was flowing alongside the hike. Was sad to see all the damage that was done by the Woodbury fire though. Made it up into the cave, excellent views, would do it again!
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Dec 07 2019
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 Chandler, AZ
Red Tanks Trail #107Globe, AZ
Globe, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 07 2019
Yoder
Hiking14.20 Miles 2,511 AEG
Hiking14.20 Miles   7 Hrs   24 Mns   2.21 mph
2,511 ft AEG      58 Mns Break10 LBS Pack
 
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Combine parts of
Bluff Springs Trail(235) --3.4miles- :next: Dutchman Trail(104) --2.5 miles- :next: Red Tanks Trail --2.2miles- :next: Whiskey Spring Trail(238) --3.6miles- :next: Dutchman Trail(104) 2.7miles
for this 14.2 mile loop. I'll Post the GPS track, its name is Red Tanks Cutoff Loop

We started 7am and finished at 2:30pm. The weather was perfect, and we ran into one other person on the trail for the whole hike, it was great! We did see about a dozen other folks on other trails or camped out.

Water in just about all the streams due to the rains last week I expect.

Hit Burn-out area from the Woodbury Fire(Spring 2019) shortly after getting on the Red Tanks trail. This continued until near the end of the Whiskey Spring leg. This section of the hike was also the most difficult because the trail was not so apparent in many parts due to the burn-out, runoff, and many stream crossings. Seems like the cat-claw type plants are first to recover from these fires, so this also made things less enjoyable.

Great view once we reached the highpoint of this hike near the end of the Whiskey Springs leg of the hike.
A enjoyable hike
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May 25 2019
kyleGChiker
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 Phoenix, AZ
Whiskey West-Red Tanks LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Backpack avatar May 25 2019
kyleGChiker
Backpack13.40 Miles 2,150 AEG
Backpack13.40 Miles
2,150 ft AEG
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1st trip
I took my family to the Superstitions over Memorial Day weekend. We are all avid hikers and have done many trails in Arizona. The last time we backpacked in the Superstitions was 8 years ago, so I wanted to get back there. We started on Saturday at Peralta trailhead. Our route was as follows:
Dutchman :next: Whiskey :next: Red Tank :next: Camp two nights at La Barge spring :next: Day hike to Peter's Mesa and Charlebois spring :next: Dutchman :next: Bluff Springs :next: End at Peralta

Total trip length: 20 miles

Since I've gotten so much benefit from the water reports on HikeAZ, I wanted to create an account and leave a water report from our trip.

Be sure to carry plenty of water! We were using 30-40 liters per day for our group of 4. And the temperatures were only 75-80.
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They don't really count as wildflowers, but the saguaro, prickly pear, and cholla were in full bloom.

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A few small pools from the rain three days prior.

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When we started our hike, the ranger said some boyscouts had knocked the pipe loose and Bluff spring was dry. That's not quite true. The pipe is very long (~100 ft), and there was no water coming out the end into the bucket, but if you keep following the pipe up the canyon, you'll get to the break, and it's flowing about 1 quart per minute (steady stream).

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I would estimate about a gallon per minute. The creek downstream was also flowing through the cottonwood trees, but dried up as soon as it got into the sun and heat.

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There was lots of water in Upper LaBarge Box at the Red Tank trail crossing, with light flow (in other words, big pools, but only a trickle of flow). We went West, so I can't speak for the water upstream.

dry Whiskey Spring Dry Dry
The pipe was dry.

A few small pools from the rain three days prior
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Mar 08 2019
KBKB
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 Fountain Hills,
Miners Needle LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Mar 08 2019
KBKB
Hiking10.13 Miles 1,814 AEG
Hiking10.13 Miles   5 Hrs   42 Mns   2.16 mph
1,814 ft AEG   1 Hour    Break24 LBS Pack
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Marilyn, Marilyn, Sara, Ben, Nick, Mike, and I hiked the Miner's Needle Loop on Friday, the 8th.

This was my first time around this loop. It was a lot more scenic than I expected it to be. It's definitely worth doing.

I added on a bit of distance by hiking a short ways on Whiskey Spring #238 while the others ate lunch. I kept this diversion short, however, because it was cool and somewhat breezy that day and I didn't want the others to get cold waiting for me. As it turns out, I arrived back at the group just as they were finishing lunch. Anyway, I found there to be great views of both the Miner's Needle and Weaver's Needle at the top of the first significant hill while hiking up the Whiskey Spring Trail.

It was still wet out - Bluff Springs was wet in spots, plus we had to cross the water a few times. We found convenient stepping stones for doing so.
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Feb 15 2019
bretinthewild
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 Phoenix, AZ
Red Tanks Super Loop - Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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bretinthewild
Backpack20.00 Miles 2,870 AEG
Backpack20.00 Miles3 Days         
2,870 ft AEG
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Water, water everywhere! Took a friend into the Supes this weekend. We did the Red Tanks Super Loop clockwise with a twist. Started Friday night by going up cardiac hill on Bluff Spring and made it to camp by dusk. Saturday we looped around to Dripping Spring via Dutchman, Whiskey Spring and Red Tanks. I hiked this loop the opposite direction a couple years ago and was glad to be going downhill after Red Tanks divide. Sunday we had a nice stroll back on Coffee Flat and Dutchman through Barkley Basin. Great to see so much moving water in the mountains!
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Feb 09 2019
emilystardust
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 Joined Jun 23 2015
 Phoenix, AZ
Red Tanks Backpacking Loop, AZ 
Red Tanks Backpacking Loop, AZ
 
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emilystardust
Backpack22.90 Miles
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Dutchman to Coffee Flat to Red Tanks to Whiskey Spring and back out Dutchman. Challenging route for me on the first day but trying to get better at backpacking. Definitely need to lighten up my gear. I went with a nice group of people, just fast 😂
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Jan 19 2019
AZBeaver
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 Phoenix, AZ
Superstitions White Rock & Whiskey Springs, AZ 
Superstitions White Rock & Whiskey Springs, AZ
 
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AZBeaver
Backpack23.00 Miles 3,000 AEG
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Participated in a 3-day backpacking trip with the Arizona Backpacking Club in the beautiful Superstitions. Our plan was to camp at White Rock Springs the first night and then Whiskey Springs the second. Although there was plenty of water all along our hike, water at both of our campsites wasn't the best. Camped 1/2 mile from Charlebois Spring adding a mile to get water to and from camp the first night. The 2nd night at Whiskey Springs had adequate water but not the best. LaBarge had the best water, and approximately 2 miles before getting to Whiskey Springs (near Trap Canyon Spring) had a great pond and camping area on the right side of the trail. Backpacked with 7 people. I was probably the least experienced of the group but did well. The beauty of the Superstitions makes the difficult trek all worth it. We got to see the lunar eclipse; however, the clouds obscured viewing. Weather was perfect. Flowers are beginning to come out. It was a great weekend meeting new people. I wanted to keep my back to no more than 30 lbs, therefore, sacrificed my backpacking chair. I really missed that chair at camp. We had a campfire each night which was really nice.
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nathanbrisk
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 Phoenix, AZ
Whiskey West-Red Tanks LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Backpack avatar Jan 05 2019
nathanbrisk
Backpack8.78 Miles 1,392 AEG
Backpack8.78 Miles   5 Hrs   42 Mns   2.19 mph
1,392 ft AEG   1 Hour   41 Mns Break
 
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Day 1:

Started up at the Peralta trailhead at about 7:30am bundled up a bit. We ended up doing this loop in reverse via the east. Trimmin thorns as we went . . .headed east on the Dutchman trail, north on Whiskey Spring trail, then west on Red Tanks trail until we reached Bluff Springs Canyon. We put down camp here, and there were a few different groups who had spent the prior night there. Whiskey Spring was bone dry, but La Barge Spring was going strong. There were plenty of clear pools along Red Tanks as well. One group brought along a dog that was quite territorial . . . coming over to our camp to bark aggressively every few minutes. They rolled out that evening (perhaps due to the forecast).

It rained alllll night. Pretty nice!

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout some bad pools
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Dec 10 2018
markthurman53
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 Tucson, Arizona
Peters and Red Tanks Loop, AZ 
Peters and Red Tanks Loop, AZ
 
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markthurman53
Hiking19.35 Miles 3,243 AEG
Hiking19.35 Miles   9 Hrs   48 Mns   2.44 mph
3,243 ft AEG   1 Hour   52 Mns Break20 LBS Pack
 
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It was great weather for another trip up to the Superstitions to hike portions of the Red Tanks and Peter’s Trail. The objective was to hike the northern most portion of the Red Tanks Trail (2 miles) and the first 1.5 miles of the Peter’s Trail. I only needed to do a short section of the Peter’s Trail so when I finish it from the other end I won’t have a 20 plus mile hike. It took almost a 20 mile hike though to accomplish this. As usual the superstitions didn’t disappoint. I was a little surprised at the lack of water in the creeks after the storms just a few days earlier (we got just under an inch last week in Tucson). There was more water in LaBarge last month when I was through here, of course that was after the tropical storm passed through. The sky was slightly overcast but the sun still shown through a bit, made for pleasant hiking but the pictures are a little flat and lacking in color.

I started out on the Bluff Spring Trail at about 0650 before sunrise. I got a couple hundred yards in and this rock grabbed my boot and I tripped and fell (hate it when they do that). The good news is I caught my fall with my hands, the bad news is I broke the tip of my middle finger again, the same joint I broke 20 years ago. It was just starting to get back to normal from the first break too. I continued with the hike because who needs a left middle finger anyway, I still have my right middle finger if I need it. The only time it was a bother was when I needed to button a button, tie a boot, cinch a strap or reach in a pocket. The sun lit up the peaks as I was in Bark’s Canyon. There were a few pools of water in the creek but nothing running and the pools were minimal. Not sure I would use the water unless it was absolutely necessary. Probably every animal in the area has been using it. Made it to the Dutchman Trail in 1.5 hours and didn’t check the condition of Bluff spring, so no water report. Continued on the Dutchman to the Peter’s Trail Junction in 3 hours. Travel along this portion of the Dutchman is smooth going. No water in LaBarge Creek along this portion of the trail (not counting LaBarge Spring).

The Peter’s Trail I thought was in pretty good condition, meaning I had no issues staying on trail. Does a steady uphill climb pretty much up to Peter’s Mesa (not strenuous). The trail about a half mile in turns to the north and heads up a small unnamed canyon and follows this pretty much up to just below the mesa. As the trail ascends this small canyon there is a rock wall spanning the creek, maybe 50 to 100 yards long, too long and porous for a dam I figured it must be some kind of corral or fence. Once on the mesa I took lunch and a half hour break. I wanted to finish up this portion of the trail so when I come in from the other end from the Tortilla Trail Head I won’t have a 20 + mile round trip hike. I suspect that the Forest service Road 213 to the east end of the Peter’s Trail will not be navigable; at least it doesn’t look good from Google Earth.

I headed back down the Peter’s Trail to the Dutchman and then the Red Tanks Trail. I took a short water break at LaBarge Spring which was trickling at about a quart a minute. I resupplied my water here and was kind of surprised the water was not really cold like you expect from a spring but it was good. There were some 3 leafed plants around the spring kind of viney looking, I am familiar with poison oak and it wasn’t that but do we have poison ivy here. Either way after I picked my pack up out of it I left it alone. I have a rule, if it has 3 leaves or if it rattles or hisses leave it alone. The Red Tanks Trail is easy to follow and allowed for lots of site seeing to the east of Music Mountain and the south of Coffee Flat Mountain. No water in the creek along this trail until you get close to the trail junction of the Whiskey Spring Trail. It did not appear to be running but there were some pools with lots of algae, again only if it was necessary.

The Whiskey Spring Trail I have been on before but this time in the opposite direction, slightly uphill most of the way but nothing to break a sweat over. Whiskey Spring had water in the trough but I don’t think it was running, it was a little low in the trough. I didn’t leave the trail to check it out, kind of did a fly by glance. There are great views from the Whiskey Spring Trail junction with the Dutchman Trail of where I was on the Peter’s Trail, Music Mountain and I believe Tortilla Peak to the north and to the south over Barkley Basin. It was now 3:00 with 4.5 miles to go and I started to feel a little easier about making it back by sunset. 20 mile hikes with a good amount of AEG is pushing it for me on these short days.

I have included in the photos a picture of FSR 213 near the Apache Trail road (Hwy 88). As I figured this road is doable but I don’t think it is worth the risk of having something go wrong. There were plenty of scrape marks on the rocks and piece parts of vehicles that have gone before. For me the 3 mile hike (6 miles round trip) to the east end of Peter’s and Hoolie Bacon is the way to go. Looks like a nice loop trail if you have a shuttle would be the Peter’s Canyon route to the Peters Trail and back to the Tortilla Trail Head along Hwy 88.

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There was water in the trough but it was low so not not sure if it was even dripping.
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rayhuston
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 Gilbert, AZ
La Barge Spring Loop, AZ 
La Barge Spring Loop, AZ
 
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rayhuston
Hiking15.45 Miles 2,895 AEG
Hiking15.45 Miles   7 Hrs   2 Mns   2.42 mph
2,895 ft AEG      39 Mns Break
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Plan A was to summit Coffee Flat mountain, but when I reached the west end of the ridge and looked ahead to the goal, I thought it would be more fun than I had time for, so I did a big loop instead.

It's dry out there, but La Barge Spring is full and pumping at a quart a minute. Pools in some spots along La Barge creek. The trails are in good shape, although the cat claw was clawing along parts of Whiskey Spring and Red Tanks trails.

Beautiful day in the Supes.

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