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Feb 27 2020
derpsquad
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30 male
 Joined Sep 09 2015
 Tucson, AZ
Tanner to Grandview GC, AZ 
Tanner to Grandview GC, AZ
 
Backpack avatar Feb 27 2020
derpsquad
Backpack30.00 Miles 9,400 AEG
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Day 1: Tanner to Cardenas Creek
Ice down Tanner for the first mile. Good thing we all had microspikes. Super steep trail with beautiful views all the way down to the river. Pretty good campsites at Tanner beach and a vault toilet. We filled water and pushed on to the beach at Cardenas creek for the night. Could definitely see running into a large river trip here but there is a lot of room.

Day 2: Cardenas Creek
Chilled at the beach all day. I have to give a shout out to Water Wizard flocculant. Just a few drops from an eye dropper bottle flocculates all the silt in under 5 minutes. Much easier than alum. Saw two small rafting trips float by. Two guys hopped out and gave us beer which was awesome.

Day 3: Escalante Route, Cardenas to Hance Rapids
What an adventure this trail is. Every corner provides a different perspective of the Colorado. Highlight of the trip for sure. Seventy-five mile canyon was pretty special. The Papago Wall and Slide aren't that bad at all.

Day 4: Tonto Trail, Hance Rapids to Hance Creek
Pretty decent elevation gain but nothing too crazy. Good views from the Tonto plateau. Hance creek is a special place to camp with clear, running water. I could see it being popular when in season. Up to now, we only saw a solo hiker and a group of three.

Day 5: Hance Creek to Grandview
This is quite the climb but you are rewarded with excellent views of the canyon the whole way up. About a mile from the TH we started to run into a few people.

Overall, I was surprised by the solitude - is it always like this in the winter? Can't wait to explore more of the GC - anyone have some more routes they could recommend?
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Feb 15 2020
chumley
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47 male
 Joined Sep 18 2002
 Tempe, AZ
New Cottonview, AZ 
New Cottonview, AZ
 
Backpack avatar Feb 15 2020
chumley
Backpack25.78 Miles 6,907 AEG
Backpack25.78 Miles3 Days         
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Fun weekend in the canyon. The others started while I set up the shuttle. The snow on the top slowed us down a bit, but otherwise was a great trip down. I forgot how rough things were above the redwall.

Kyle did his best 9L and got to camp ahead of another group to assure the prime campsite. Sadly the mice did not come out and entertain us.

Sunday we had a big day over to Cottonwood. I had found a new route to the Tonto from the end of the beach. I think this is the official route and the higher routes have developed over time. Satellite shows a spider web of options. I liked this way, great views over the beach. Took an hourlong lunch at Hance Creek just as it was getting a little bit warm. High clouds filtered the sun for a very pleasant trip around the horseshoe.

We were alone at Cottonwood and enjoyed a great spot along the creek. Karl and I ventured downstream as far as we could. I knew there were bypasses necessary to get to the river, but was surprised how far we got before getting stopped. No time to do bypasses, so we headed back to camp.

Monday we hiked out, witnessing the damage from last fall's fire in the Cottonwood drainage. The upper campsites are charred. I'm not sure if the cottonwoods survived. We can hope.

The climb to the mesa was rough. I wasn't ready for that grade so early in the day! After that Grandview is awesome. I was surprised that we hit solid snow at 5,600ft and was happy to have decided to carry traction. There were stretches that I think might have been impossible without it.

Passed a LEO ranger who checked our permit! I love it when they're out on the trails!

Got to snooze on the way home because Karl drove! Woot! Thanks! :)
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Feb 15 2020
BiFrost
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51 male
 Joined Nov 20 2012
 Phoenix, AZ
New Cottonview, AZ 
New Cottonview, AZ
 
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BiFrost
Backpack25.78 Miles 6,907 AEG
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Another great weekend in the canyon! Initially the weather forecast was questionable but as the trip got closer it turned to near perfect conditions. We hiked in New Hance Trail around noon while Chumley setup the car shuttle for us and later caught up part way down the trail. New Hance is tough and reminded me a lot of Boucher's descent but still spectacular. The red wall break was awesome, with a nice ramp down to Red Canyon and last two miles hiking in the wash to the river. Arriving at the river Kyle was down first and snagged the primo camp spot for us to enjoy for the night.

Next day we had our longest day about 12 miles but it was mostly on the Tonto Trail so easy hiking compared to New Hance. First mile of trail was the most scenic as we hiked along the river and then above it with great views. Eventually the trail gets up on the Tonto layer and does what the Tonto does going in and out of each drainage. However, relatively easy miles over to Hance Creek where we took extended break. Good water in Hance Creek where we filtered a couple liters. After lunch it was 5 miles to Cottonwood Camp and last nights camp.

Kyle and Chumley arrived at Cottonwood and got a really nice spot again. After initial setup Chumley and I wend down Cottonwood Creek to explore. There are some good narrows downstream and we continued until hitting a pour off which we didn't want to hike around. So we headed back to camp and enjoyed another pleasant night around camp!

Next morning we only had 5 miles to hike out but of course it's all uphill. Still not that bad a hike with snow and microspikes needed for the top 1.5 miles of trail to Grandview. Very scenic with the snow and Grandview itself always has great views and cool switchbacks in the last 1/2 mile. Another great hike....thanks to Chumley for getting the permits!!
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Nov 01 2017
ultrazona
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33 male
 Joined Mar 07 2009
 Phoenix, AZ
Tonto Trail: New Hance Trail to Grandview TrNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
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Hiking9.10 Miles 1,370 AEG
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May 20 2016
Azmaggs
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60 male
 Joined May 26 2016
 Glendale
Tonto Trail: New Hance Trail to Grandview TrNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
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Azmaggs
Hiking18.00 Miles 1,370 AEG
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Hiked the Grand Canyon for the first time with my family. New Hance trail to Grandview. Was amazing.
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Apr 09 2016
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59 male
 Joined Apr 02 2005
 Mesa, AZ
Tonto Trail: New Hance Trail to Grandview TrNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
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Tortoise_Hiker
Hiking22.30 Miles 6,333 AEG
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Another Great trip in the Grand Canyon. Our group shrank to 4(Preston,Dave,Bruce and I) on the last week :( so I shot Hippy a PM to see if she wanted to hike and or shuttle us. It was last minute but she came through(THANKS) with a shuttle/hiker. We meet Frank a little before 8AM at Grandview and headed to New Hance to start by 8AM. Our prayers were answered and we had great weather all day. Hiking down Red Canyon is real treat. We took our time and we hit Hance Rapids around noon and took our lunch there. Awesome lunch spot. From there it was on to check off another section of the Tonto Trail. Awesome views with lots of blooms made it a real treat. We took a break in Hance Creek and Preston(THANKS) filtered until we all were set for the rest of the hike. We were doing good but beating darkness would be close. It's hard to go fast in such an awesome place. I hit a wall with 2+ miles to go and threw up. Preston and Bruce kept me motivated while Dave skipped the rest of the way up and hitchhiked to get the car. They can't resist him. Frank was exploring a little more and Dave already had the car so we didn't need the shuttle. we only had to use are headlamps for an hour or so. Topped out about 8:30PM. From there we followed Frank over to Maswik for a quick bite and share hiking stories. Nice to meet and hike with Frank. From there it was just a short 4 and a half hour drive home.What a great trip! Thanks for the hike Gentlemen, like HAZ, You all rock!
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The_Eagle
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64 male
 Joined Jan 20 2009
 Far NE Phoenix,
Tonto-New Hance-Grandview, AZ 
Tonto-New Hance-Grandview, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Apr 09 2016
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Hiking22.33 Miles 6,333 AEG
Hiking22.33 Miles   12 Hrs   45 Mns   2.05 mph
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My hats off to Denny for putting this together. When you try to assemble a larger group, it's like herding turtles. (A job he's highly qualified to do)
He was busy arranging a shuttle up until 10 minutes before he went to bed.

Denny's on a mission to complete the entire Tonto Trail. With this section, I've completed the Tanner to Hermit portion with him.

We started on the New Hance Trail at 8am on a chilly morning. It didn't take long to warm up though. New Hance is one steep uneven mutha. My knees were barking up a storm. I would have lost the bet if someone would have told me that you actually gain 400' of AEG while going down this one. Staying upright and taking in the views while hiking, becomes tough on this one.
This section was slower going than we expected. It was 7 miles to the river.
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We ate lunch at the New Hance Rapids in front of a clear flowing Colorado River.
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Next we were on the Tonto Trail, We'd be on this for 10 miles. It got a little warm on a short portion by the river, but then the clouds and breeze came back and it was perfect. I really enjoyed this section of the Tonto.
We all topped off our water at New Hance Creek for the slog out.

Now on Grandview Trail, the fun begins. It was slow going for me. I was gassed. I had about an hour with the headlamp on to finish.

Denny, thanks for setting this up, driving and arranging for perfect weather.
Good hiking with Dave and Preston again.
Great meeting Hippy's Friend Frank.
We had some interesting conversations.
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Plenty to filter from in this perennial source

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Cold, clear and great for filtering

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Isolated pools from previous days rain
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Apr 02 2016
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38 male
 Joined Mar 04 2006
 Gilbert, AZ
Tanner - Escalante Route - Grandview Circuit, AZ 
Tanner - Escalante Route - Grandview Circuit, AZ
 
Backpack avatar Apr 02 2016
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Backpack32.00 Miles 9,000 AEG
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Nov 01 2015
sirena
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46 female
 Joined Feb 12 2008
 Tucson, AZ
Tanner to Grandview, AZ 
Tanner to Grandview, AZ
 
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sirena
Backpack35.00 Miles 4,600 AEG
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November 1-6th

I had three events to work for the Arizona Trail Asociation- two in Tusayan and one in Page. Six days in between and I was determined to spend every second of it in the Grand Canyon. Late Sunday morning, we had a beautiful ceremony for the placement of a memorial bench dedicated to the Father of the Arizona Trail, Dale Shewalter and then I was off to finish writing up the event and last-minute packing. I parked at Grandview and looked for a ride. I didn't have to look long, parked right next to me was a fellow Grand Canyon enthusiast who had just finished a trip.

Day 1

I didn't get hiking until 3:30 pm on the Tanner Trail, but I wasn't planning on going very far. A mile and a half away is 75-mile saddle with good camping spots. The trail was steep, dropping 1700 feet and rocky through the Kaibab, Toroweap and Coconino. My pack was heavy with six days of food and 5 liters of water- enough to dry camp and have plenty for the descent to the river the next day.

It was a warm and windless night, even up at 5600 ft. and I found the perfect spot overlooking 75-Mile Canyon. I could see O'Neill Butte and Horseshoe Mesa and Desert View Watchtower loomed above. Camped under the stars, happy to be back in my beloved Grand Canyon again.

Day 2

The next morning, I had a bit of level trail in the Supai to start my day, contouring under Cardenas and Escalante Buttes. At the Redwall break, there is a short spur trail that goes up to one of the most fantastic views of the Palisades of the Desert, Comanche Point and the Grand Canyon Supergroup area upstream of Tanner. I spent almost two hours looking at the different landmarks and taking pictures.

It was so hard to leave, but the day was heating up and the river was still a long way away. I made quick work of the Redwall and the Muav, happy to have my umbrella for shade. The Dox Sandstone is soft and the trail is mushed into the side of the hill, making the left leg higher than the right. I reached Tanner Beach at 2pm and got in the chilly water to cool off.

The river was running brown from the last round of storms in an unbelievably wet year. It didn't look too silty (whitecaps instead of browncap waves), so I tried it through my Platypus gravity filter. That thing rocks. Filtered with no problems and is a cinch to backflush. Plus I can set up and eat, watch boats go through the rapids and my water is done.

I was getting ready to leave a couple of hours later to start the Escalante Route and hike to Cardenas Beach for the night when a man appeared and said he'd be hiking to the Hermit Trail for the next 11 days. I ran into him a couple of times, and was the only person I saw for the first five days. I had a couple miles to Cardenas, small ups and downs through various ravines. Hit the beach just as I was losing daylight. This is also part of the Hayduke Trail, an 800-mile circuitous route that goes from Arches to Zion.

For the last four summers I have worked as a river guide in the Grand Canyon with Arizona River Runners and Grand Canyon Whitewater. I've run the river over 20 times and hiked pieces of the route I'd be traversing, but it was totally different experience to be here solo. Cardenas is always one of my favorite camps, how blissful to have it all to myself on a warm autumn night (and to not have to get up at 4:30 am to make coffee for 30 people). I did some long-exposure photography and set my bed up on the beach.

The winds kicked up in the middle of the night and I was glad I'd borrowed a tent from a friend. Sleeping under the stars, as much as I love it, was not going to work for most of the trip because of the incoming storm.

Day 3

The next morning the skies were blue above, but as I made the climb to the Hilltop Ruin, I could see dark clouds downstream. Decided to skip the Unkar Overlook spur and keep moving because the rains had started. I put on my rain jacket and my trash-compactor bag rainskirt.

As I hiked along the Unkar Wall, I looked back and saw one of the most amazing rainbows I've ever seen! Dropped the pack and scrambled to get my camera, trying to take shots without getting the camera soaked before the rainbow disappeared. My heart soared- this is why I hike, for the privilege of seeing exquisite moments like this.

I moved on, hiking in the intermittent rain toward Escalante Creek. The trail winds and climbs toward a high saddle and I got another rainbow, a little less intense than the first, but still gorgeous. In Escalante Creek, I found running water and took several liters so I wouldn't have to settle the increasingly silty Colorado. I took a break at Escalante Beach before my last climb up to access 75-mile Canyon. The route climbs and then turns to give a great view of the slot canyon below. I contoured back to the access point and scrambled down into the canyon. It made me uneasy to break the rule of not being in a slot canyon while it's raining.

The cream-colored Shinumo Quartzite slot canyon is a gorgeous place to be. I remembered back to a river trip where I visited not once, but twice in one evening on a full moon. The canyon opened up near the river and I camped at Nevills Beach. Soon after my dinner, it started raining and I got in the tent and fell asleep early.

Day 4

I woke at 4:30 in the morning after plenty of sleep. It was warmer and had stopped raining. Spent some time taking long-exposure pictures and writing in my journal. Yet another thing I love about solo hiking. I can do whatever I want, whenever I want and am never bored.

There are two routes to the Papago Wall, a low and a high route and I stayed low on the slabs above the water. There is a 30 foot scramble up the wall and then the route climbs to a rubble-choked gully called the Papago Slide. I didn't have any problems with the wall, but I took my pack off to hoist it up for one part and it would have been easier to keep it on. At the top of the wall, I saw the backpacker I'd met at Tanner below and he climbed up to join me.

The Papago Slide is a loose and nasty descent filled with every size of rock and I led the way, keeping plenty of room between me and him to avoid rockfall. There is a good route through it and it just takes being thoughtful with your movements. We got to Hance Rapid just as some boaters pulled in to scout from the opposite bank. It was super-fun to watch them go through. I hiked on to spend some quality alone time with Hance.

Hance Rapid is the first "10" on the Colorado River in the Grand Canyon. The powerful waves churn through many rocks and holes and it is one of the most technical rapids on the river. To stand beside it on the rocks was incredible and I spent a long time thinking about my summers working as a river guide. I had decided at the end of this season that I will not be returning next summer- a bittersweet decision, but I am glad for all the things I learned, people I met and the opportunity to teach people about this amazing place. I've got some things in the works- a new website and lots of writing to do and part of that plan is to spend more time in the Grand Canyon on foot.

The rain was coming in again, so I put my trash compactor rainskirt on and got going. Red Canyon marks the beginning of the Tonto Trail, following the Tonto Platform as it began to rise from the river. The trail climbed and I got a good view of the historic Hance Asbestos Mine and the Granite Gorge. It rained on and off and when the clouds lifted there was a dusting of snow on the upper reaches of the Canyon.

I was trying to get to Hance Creek, my next water source, but all the time spent at the rapids was starting to catch up with me. I was probably going to have to roll into camp by headlamp. The trail contoured through Mineral Canyon and at the dry creek crossing, I heard the most wonderful sound- running water! Up a side ravine from the crossing was an ephemeral waterfall and I made my way over to it. This water meant that I didn't have to push to Hance Creek and that I could do a dry camp on the Tonto Platform, one of my favorite types of GC camps.

Even as I filtered water, the waterfall went dry. Right place at the right time, I guess. I Tontoured out of Mineral Canyon, looking for a place to camp and found the perfect spot complete with a little wall for a windbreak and nice sitting rocks. The views were outrageously good of Vishnu Temple, Wotans Throne and Angels Gate. It was the coldest night yet and very windy.

Day 5

The next morning, I was treated to an incredible sunrise and I spent hours writing, taking pictures and looking at maps for an upcoming adventure.

I got going around noon and hiked to Hance Creek. Upstream from the creek crossing are some lovely Tapeats ledges and I settled in for a day of not doing a whole lot. More writing, a short exploration up and downstream, and a nice chat with the other folks that were camped in the area. It was great to have a day to relax.

Day 6

I'd made a habit of listening to Miles Davis Kind of Blue in the morning while I got packed up and got hiking around 9:30 toward Page Springs. In most seasons this shady, fern-lined place would be a welcome place for a break but today it was so chilly I had to put several layers on while filtering. I enjoyed the historic trail construction in the Redwall ascent, especially the portion that has a giant quartz vein going through the trailbed. Got to Horseshoe Mesa and took a long break.

As I hiked up off the mesa I could see the area I'd traversed the last six days and downstream toward Zoroaster and Brahma Temples. Made it through the Supai and it was cold enough to need a fleece and hat while hiking uphill. I love the trail construction in the Coconino- riprap cobblestone and log cribbing to keep the trail on the hillside.

Patches of ice and snow appeared in the Toroweap and Kaibab, but not enough for me to put my traction on- if I'd been going downhill I'd have put them on for sure. I reached the parking lot feeling a lot better than I'd anticipated and made it over to Desert View Watchtower to see the sun set on my latest adventure.

It is hard to express how good this trip was for me. I've had a lot of great backpacking opportunities this year, but I haven't gotten as much solo time as usual. To move through the Canyon for days on foot with time to contemplate life, feeling like I have the whole place to myself- there is nothing better.
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Apr 23 2015
bballard
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39 male
 Joined Nov 23 2007
 Tempe, AZ
New Hance TrailNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
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bballard
Backpack20.00 Miles 4,435 AEG
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Fresh off our first trip into the canyon last fall- my friends and I could not resist the urge to plan another! This time BJ, Shep, and I descended the New Hance trail- a painful knee-buster! We ran into a couple large groups at Hance Rapids where we spent our first night and witnessed kayaks running the rapids. Beautiful beach-side spot to appreciate the river in all it's glory. The next day it was on to the Tonto heading west, where we ran into our first bout of rain. Sporadic at first and windy, it didn't bother us much. Second night was also busy at Hance Creek. Plenty of water and a great side excursion up the canyon. The wind that night was intense, knocking our tents around, but not too much rain. On our third day we made our way around to the beautiful Page Spring and loaded up on water for the excruciating trek upwards to our last camp on Horseshoe Mesa. After setting up amidst bouts of rain, we headed off to Cave of the Domes. What an adventure exploring a real cave for the first time! On the way back the real rain hit, and throughout the evening all night... Grandview Trail up the next day to our bike-shuttle.

Wonderful journey. The magic of the canyon once again cannot be described in words. The intense weather only added to the mystique- views of cloud formations and rain constantly filtering our views and perception of light, shadow, contrast, color, and depth. Cannot wait until we are lucky enough again to immerse ourselves in this world.
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beautiful and constant display of many wildflowers.

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flowing really well.
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Feb 06 2015
charlomechfry
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Tanner to Grandview, AZ 
Tanner to Grandview, AZ
 
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Backpack32.70 Miles 9,148 AEG
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50 male
 Joined Nov 05 2014
 United States
New Hance Grandview Loop, AZ 
New Hance Grandview Loop, AZ
 
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gerchikov
Hiking20.00 Miles
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Down New Hance, up Grandview in a dayhike following http://hikearizona.com/gps=7037 route. Spectacular if strenuous, daylight is the biggest issue -- try to get past Horseshoe Mesa and onto Grandview Trail by dusk, the rest of the climb is straightforward and can be done with a good light after dusk. Trailfinding is generally not a problem, cairns help a lot, but a couple of spots require close attention. Manage your water carefully -- there is none on the entire Grandview ascend.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Isolated
Mostly around creeks and bottoms of tributary canyons.
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Very few this time of year, making the ones spotted more precious still.

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Plenty to filter.

dry Red Canyon Dry Dry
Not a hint of water in the creek this late in fall in a very dry year.

dry Red Canyon Creek - GC Dry Dry
Not a hint of water in the creek this late in fall in a very dry year.
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Jun 06 2014
Hippy
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 Joined Dec 02 2009
 Grand Canyon
Grandview to New Hance, AZ 
Grandview to New Hance, AZ
 
Backpack avatar Jun 06 2014
Hippy
Backpack18.50 Miles 6,200 AEG
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Kidnapped my buddy Taylor to go on this trip with me, he'd never camped at the river before.

I prefer hiking down Grandview and I remember New Hance was SUPER easy hiking down, knew this trip would be cake!!

We left at 7am due to our ride to Grandview sleeping in, oops.got to the TH round 730,
The hike down GV was cake, made it to Horseshoe Mesa in just over an hour. Stopped to visit the cookhouse and explore the mines then we cruised...more like slid, down the Page Spring trail and took a short break at Hance Creek.

It was already hotter than hades down there by 10am when we cruised the Tonto. We had a mile left to the river when I realized it was Noon on the Tonto in June... "Who does that!?"we said in unison at one point.

It was deadly hot but we had hats, tons of water, at least 3L each plus an extra nalgene (topped off a half liter or so at Hance creek) and we both wore moisture wicking long sleeved shirts. We were both down to half a liter of water by the time we reached Hance Rapids, which is, I think, perfect!

Reached the river well before one in the afternoon, we crushed that trail pretty nicely considering the heat! Spent about 12 hours at the river, we'd picked out a great camp spot about 25ft from the river and a little shallow backeddy, about 2ft deep, just enough to wallow in!
We'd planned to actually camp overnight but the Canyon had other plans!!

We settled in, under the stars, on top of s tarp and super lightweight blanket...then the wind picked up (as usual) and the roar of the rapids all but ceased! I went to add a nalgene to our water container corral in the back eddy, the water had dropped a good 9 inches...ugh. No cold water for our hike out...

Wind got stronger. A tree actually snapped in half, huge clouds of sand and leaves flew from every direction. We wrapped bandanas around our faces and hastily turned my tarp into a tent with rocks, shoelaces, paracord and trekking poles. : rambo :

Then we squeezed in tight, back to back careful not to hit the rocks that held the trekking poles upright in the sand.
The wind lulled us to sleep alongside the muted groan that was Hance Rapids and 45 minutes later I awoke...

With a burning hot, icy cold, stinging, tingling, numb sensation on my left wrist...

You've gotta be kidding me was my first thought. I just got stung 3 times by a little bark scorpion. Really??!! Being awakened by a scorpion in your bed at 1am isn't the greatest wakeup call but whatevs .

We shook everything out, packed up, dunked my arm in the river then hiked out, leaving our riverside campsite around 2am.

New Hance is easy going up. The trail, for me, was pretty tame, obvious to follow in the dark. The longest most annoying part (or so it seemed, could've been lack of sleep) was above the Red wall, the Supai layer felt like it took hours!! (In reality we were moving up the trail for 3 1/2 hours) we stopped at the camp above the red wall and slept for a good 45min then continued on. We made it to the TH at sunrise. Perfect timing!

New Hance was an easy hike but I can imagine hiking out in the heat of the sun in June would not be pleasant!

We then thumbed a ride back to the village from the first car that we saw, score! The drive was a nurse and insisted I let her take us to the clinic for my scorpion stings haha

Despite all the random mishaps the trip was great, red canyon is stunning as always and I discovered I'd rather hike DOWN GV and UP NH from now on!
Haven't tried it? Do it! Its worth it.
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toddak
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 Puhoynix, AZ
New Hance TrailNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
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toddak
Hiking23.00 Miles 5,000 AEG
Hiking23.00 Miles   12 Hrs      1.92 mph
5,000 ft AEG
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Down Grandview (icy for the first half mile or so), east on the Tonto then up the super gnarly New Hance. Road walked between the trailheads.
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John9L
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 Scottsdale, AZ
New Hance to Grandview, AZ 
New Hance to Grandview, AZ
 
Backpack avatar Nov 15 2013
John9L
Backpack18.50 Miles 6,200 AEG
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I met up with Hippy for a fun backpack in our favorite Canyon. I departed Phoenix right after work on Thursday night and drove up to the Canyon. We left bright and early on Friday and met up with Niko. He offered to shuttle us from Grandview and would hike the first few miles with us. We started hiking a little before 9am.

Right from the start New Hance aggressively descends through the Kaibab, Toroweap and Coconino layers. The going is a little rough but fine. I did this backpack last year and remember it being very hard on the body especially my knees and ankle. This trip would prove to be much easier. We made quick work of the top three layers and then things level off a bit. We cruised on down and took our first break at the top of the Redwall. The views are just stunning into Red Canyon and the North Rim. From there we began the traverse along the Supai. I remember this section being a little rough last year but it was cake this go around. I don’t know if the trail is easier or if I’m just more experienced. Regardless we cruised to the Redwall break.

Once at the Redwall break Niko waved goodbye and started his return to the rim. Thanks again Niko! Hippy and I continued down the break and then proceeded to Red Canyon. We both felt great and started joking about hiking all the way to Hance Creek. We continued on and passed a couple of hikers on their way out. They said there were two groups below and one was camped out by the river. I said to Hippy we’re continuing on if a group is camped at the Mesquite Tree site. She was game! The rest of the hike to the rapid was uneventful. The only things worth mentioning is we blasted by a group of six guys taking a breather and there was some salty water in the bed of Red Canyon.

We arrived at Hance Rapid around 12:30pm and both of us felt great. We saw the group at the Mesquite Tree and decided to continue to Hance Creek after taking a long break and enjoying the rapid. We enjoyed lunch and relaxed at a fantastic spot nestled above the rapid. After getting some cartwheel pics we continued west on the Tonto. As we proceeded some storm clouds moved in and it started to drizzle. We continued hiking and passed through Mineral Canyon and made our way to an overhang along the Tonto. We took another break here and it was perfect timing. The skies opened and a moderate rain fell followed by hail and lightning. We were both fairly protected and hung out here for a good hour as the storm passed. After we felt it was safe we continued and then saw a fantastic double rainbow. I joked about the Double Rainbow Youtube video and we took some silly pics. From there we continued on and reached Hance Creek as dusk set in.

Once at camp we got the tent set up and started making dinner as darkness set in. It was beautiful out as we boiled water and began eating. While eating another storm rapidly moved in and it brought strong wind and rain. We moved everything into the tent but as we did the wind blew my tent down. I had it set up as a Fastpitch and the wind blew my tent poles down. Hippy said to secure the guy lines on my tent. I quickly secured them to some large rocks and that did the trick because the tent was stable after that. We enjoyed our dinner and then turned in for the night.

We woke on our second day and took our time having breakfast and tearing down camp. From there we made the long and slow hike out the Grandview trail. Our bodies were very sore and achy after the big first day. Along the hike out we spoke glowingly of John Hance and Peter Berry for their wonderful trail construction. Hippy especially loves the cobblestone work along the Grandview Trail.

This was a really great trip and New Hance is one of my favorite trails in the Canyon. It was much easier compared to last year. Definitely add this loop to your list when you’re ready to get off the corridor and want a fun challenge. Route finding is very straightforward along this loop.
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Nov 15 2013
Hippy
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 Grand Canyon
New Hance to Grandview, AZ 
New Hance to Grandview, AZ
 
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Hippy
Backpack18.50 Miles 6,200 AEG
Backpack18.50 Miles2 Days         
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Deliver to Captain John Hance, Grand Canyon, AZ
Captain Hance, today I embark on another journey. My first trek down your most recent trail aptly named New Hance. I must point out one thing. Peter Barry has an amazing parking area at the trailhead of his Grandview Trail, your trail deserves better than a "No Parking" sign and a ditch to prevent vehicles from parking in the dirt.
Thanks for your time,
Hippy
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To John Hance,
Mister Hance, your trail is spectacular, the views are stunning and the trail itself is in great condition, it is much easier than many have previously stated. I am very impressed. I cannot say the same for my hiking companions, they seem to be having a hard time staying on their feet as the trail is a bit steep in places. Have you seen the stromatolites along the creek in Red Canyon?! I haven't but I heard they're there, I'll have to take another trip out there and find out. Speaking of, the water in Red Canyon was a salty sweet, probably not best for drinking but my innards haven't thrown a fit yet.
One of my companions decided to abandon trail just before the red wall break, it was wonderful having him along I do hope to hike with him again sometime soon!
Yours truly,
H
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Dear John,
Hi again, I just wanted to tell you that your Rapid, Hance Rapids is THE most beautiful site, with the diabase dike in the hakatai shale at the head of the rapid, John I think I love you! You, your stories, your trail, your rapids. Yes, this might be my favorite adventure thus far!
I only hope you had next to nothing to do with the Tonto trail out to Hance Creek, the trail went wonky all over the place at some points and in others it was built up onto giant boulders causing little tiny me to do some climbing up on top of them. Although we both know I loved it!
We saw a beautiful double rainbow along the tonto heading for the creek in your name, we got rained on and hailed on and almost had to bivvy up under the tapeats overhang but the day was young and beautiful and we pressed on.
Camping at Hance Creek was superb, the wind was atrocious but extravagant at the same time! It made for quite a fun evening wrestling with tent ties and poles and wrapping our food up in my rain jacket and stuffing it in the ratsack, it worked quite nicely actually.
This will be my last letter to you...for now. Look into some trail head parking areas, ok?
Love always.
Hippy
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Dearest Peter Barry,
I know we haven't spoken in some time but I thought I'd drop a hello. I hiked up to Page Spring the other day with my dear friend John, don't be jealous, I will always love you and your trail. I do wonder though, who had the grand idea to make it such a steep ascent to Horseshoe Mesa? Did you put your mules through that hell? I might have to speak with you about animal cruelty laws nowadays because honestly I'd never allow my mules to go up that trail. I on the other hand thoroughly enjoyed it, steep as it was! Page Spring was dripping nicely and the pool was a beautiful Chrystal clear green. We explored two or three of your mine shafts on our way up, the trail is quite straightforward and I thank you for your foresight on such matters.
All my love
Hippy
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Dear Petey B,
Apparently your trail along Horseshoe Mesa is not as simple and straightforward as previously thought, a family lost their 17 year old son on the mesa, John and I thought nothing of it until I spotted the boy heading out on the east arm of the mesa, so of course I hefted off my pack and tracked him down and reunited him with his family. I must say he was rather baffled when I ran up to him, he pulled off his hat and brushed his hands through his hair and stuttered through his words and attempted to convince me that he was not lost. Boys...
John and I tailed him up the trail briefly when we discovered the reason for his becoming "lost", this explains the goofy grin on his face! The boy was 9Ling like a fool!!
I absolutely LOVE heading up Grandview Trail! Thank you Petey for this lovely historic jaunt through the grandest geology we have to play with!
Love always
Hippy
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Peter Barry,
Listen, I know we've have our ups and down, mostly downs but today I'm heading UP and I MUST protest, my love! Cobblestones?! Two foot tall stepping stairs?! Peter, darling, I might be stubborn but with my short legs and tiny feet I am no mule! Please my love, reconsider this madness! Cobblestones!! Good grief man!!
Hippy
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Dear Peter Barry,
I'll take crazy John Hance and his lack of trail head parking anytime, go :pk: yourself.
Love,
Hippy
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Oct 21 2012
John9L
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Grandview TrailNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 21 2012
John9L
Hiking13.21 Miles 4,021 AEG
Hiking13.21 Miles
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On the previous day I did the standard SK-BA loop and wanted another moderate hike before heading back to Phoenix. I chose the Grandview Trail because I wanted to complete the section of Tonto that makes a half loop around Horseshoe Mesa. I was on the east side near Hance Creek a month ago and decided I wanted to continue hiking from that point.

I arrived at Grandview around 7am and was off on the hike. I made relatively quick time down the Grandview Trail and then proceeded towards Page Spring to the east. I chatted it up with a few different backpacking groups along my hike to the Tonto. Once I hit the Tonto it was a bit eery how quiet it was. There were literally hundreds of people on the corridor trails the day before. I did not see a soul along this portion of the Tonto.

The hiking along this section of Tonto makes for quick travel. You hike along the top of the Tapeats on relatively flat trail. The route is very well traveled and easy to follow. I wanted to detour to some viewpoints over the river but I was running low on energy and wanted to save it for the hike out Grandview.

I continued on the loop and arrived at Cottonwood Camp. There was a good amount of water flowing and lots of nice campsites to choose from. I am going to return here in the near future. From there I started making my way back up to Horseshoe Mesa. My pace slowed but I made it back to the Mesa without too much struggle. Once I was back on Horseshoe Mesa I took a short lunch break and then grinded out the rest of the trail back to the rim.

This was my third trip to the canyon in five weeks and I have a feeling I am going to be back soon. The Grand Canyon is such a magical place and I just can't get enough. I'm obsessed! I have a problem and I'm not going to get help!

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Cottonwood Creek Medium flow Medium flow
Plenty of water was flowing in Cottonwood Creek.
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Oct 16 2012
Dave1
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 Phoenix, AZ
Old Hance TrailNorthwest, AZ
Northwest, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 16 2012
Dave1
Hiking16.17 Miles 4,450 AEG
Hiking16.17 Miles   7 Hrs   41 Mns   2.42 mph
4,450 ft AEG   1 Hour    Break16 LBS Pack
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Calling this a trail is a little misleading. Its pretty much just you scrambling down from the rim through brush and scree to get to Hance Creek. There are a few faint sections of trail in the upper level and a few random cairns but that's about it. I set up a few more cairns but it seemed pointless after a while as there are so many different routes to take (I used 4 rocks instead of 3 so you'll know it may not be the official Hance trail if you're trying to stay historic).

I started from the Grandview TH and walked about 5 miles along the rim road to the OG Hance TH. The Trailhead starts on HW64, just west of MP256. It's across from a fire road that starts out with pavement. The canyon is narrow at the top so if you just head straight down, within a minute or so you'll come across the faint trail. Follow this for a few minutes until it disappears and then, the best advice I can give, stay to the east side of the canyon after the Coconino. This worked out well for me. There are a few minor (miner if your name is Cap'n Hance) downclimbs along the way. I got cliffed out a few times but all were easily by-passed. When you get to the top of the Redwall, again stay east as there is major pour-off on the west side. Once you get past the broken-down Redwall, you'll be in the bed of Hance Creek and the rest of the hike is typical GC creek boulder hopping all the way to the Tonto Trail where it crosses Hance Creek (You'll come to a spring about half way between the Redwall break and the Tonto). From here I picked up the Tonto and followed it west up to Horseshoe Mesa and The Grandview Trail.

My GPS track was all over the place due to the narrow canyon so I didn't bother to post it. I would definitely do this hike again if anyone is interested. There are a few things I missed so I need to go back. Off-trail in the canyon is way more fun than I thought it would be and this one isn't terribly difficult!
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Barrett
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 Phoenix, AZ
Grand Canyon Grandview Tonto New Hance L, AZ 
Grand Canyon Grandview Tonto New Hance L, AZ
 
Backpack avatar Sep 28 2012
Barrett
Backpack25.60 Miles 6,936 AEG
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Left Phoenix before the sunrise and was parked near the New Hance Trailhead by 11:00 am. Proceeded west along 180 5.6 miles to the Grandview Trailhead, where I headed down towards Horseshoe Mesa, making a point of checking out the 4th switchback down where the guy fell 200 feet about a week ago. Had lunch at the awesome backrest rock at the saddle - PB+J on a burrito shell before continuing down to an empty camp. I set up and headed off to the western arm (passing some Desert Hares who let me get within 8 feet) where I cooked dinner (Mountain House Lasagna-Yum) and settled in for the sunset. Incredible 270 degree views of both sunset and full moon rise, warm with just enough breeze to keep the bugs off. An increasingly brave mouse was rewarded with a tiny piece of dropped lasagna and made his video debut as well. Walked back the easy sections by moonlight. Perfection. 11 miles total, 2125 feet elevation down.
Day two began with a hike down the vertiginous Miners Spring Trail, where I drank 48 oz's while UV sterilizing another 130 oz's for the pack. The 7.9 miles and 2370 elevation down to Hance Rapids was mostly in full sun, and I burned through every drop of water before enjoying the Colorado's cold embrace. The entire area is sand, which may be soft to sleep on, but the numerous bumps I now have would seem to indicate sand fleas. At least they don't itch. Another evening show of sunset and moonrise over the rim (I planned the trip based on this) could not have been scripted better.
Day three started with a breakfast of granola cereal with water and vanilla protein powder as a milk substitute. Hot oatmeal may be nice when your cold, but in warm weather the ease of preparation cannot be beat. The sun had not yet risen as I headed up Red Canyon on the New Hance for the easy first 2 miles. As soon as I left the streambed and headed up the slope I could tell this was not well traveled. Sections were overgrown and faint, with rockslides taking out other sections entirely. The color of Red Canyon is an amazing intense red, and once again I was blown away with the many faces of Grand Canyon geology. The section that zig-zags up throught the Redwall is steep, loose, and not lacking exposure. There a few nice camps when you reach the plateau, with great views and some O.K. shade, before you head back into Red Canyons bottom again, now heavily wooded, slow going, but nicely shaded. The last section up to the rim is really steep; I'm really glad I chose to loop in the direction that I did, as looking down where I had just hiked up did not look inviting in the least.
Going up the New Hance (7 miles of mostly rough trail and 4500 feet gain - didn't see a soul all day)is a workout. It would have been easier in cooler weather, as I drank all 160 oz's of my water (including 64 oz's of my Cytomax/Gatorade/Whey Protein blend), and was still thirsty for another 24 hours.
I was back to my truck 8 1/2 hours after leaving the river, headed to Camper Services for the best $2 shower in the world, and then sitting in my Zero-gravity lounger on a ledge at Yavapai Point sipping a 2011 Red Diamond Malbec out of a protein shake container listening to all of the different languages around me express the universal wonder of this place.
I does not get any better.
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Sep 22 2012
Tough_Boots
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New Hance to Grandview, AZ 
New Hance to Grandview, AZ
 
Backpack avatar Sep 22 2012
Tough_Boots
Backpack18.50 Miles 6,026 AEG
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What a fantastic trip! My legs are gonna hurt for days. ;)

Day 1: Todd, John, and I drove from the Valley up to Flagstaff to pick up Larry and head up to the Canyon. We arrived and set up camp at Mather and then checked out Shoshone Point. Its a beautiful and secluded little picnic area that's only about a mile walk down a dirt road-- worth the time for sure. We checked out a another scenic spot but I forget what it was called. Larry's wonderful wife showed up later in the evening to stay with us and help shuttle in the morning.

Day 2: We woke up, broke down camp, grabbed some last minute stuff at the market, and headed over to the New Hance TH. New Hance must be the longest seven miles anywhere. It's loose, steep, and unrelenting. There are plenty of awkward downclimbs for someone with a full pack on. All that said-- its an absolutely beautiful trail though the hardest trail I ever done as a backpack. I was happy to finally reach Red Canyon where the going was easy. We eventually made it to the river and found a nice spot. Filtering water was not an easy task at the river. John filled his collapsible bucket to let settle until morning and Todd and Larry filtered what they could for the night. Larry's ceramic msr filter was the much filter for the Colorado. We also got to see a group of rafters come through. The others took a quick hike down the Enchantment Trail and I stayed back. All the downhill had my knee pretty sore so I wanted to rest up for the next day. We had mice visitors at night and were very happy that we had enough ratsacks for all the food.

Day 3: We left camp with plenty of water and headed towards Hance Creek. This section of the Tonto is steep at first and then settles into an easy hike after a few miles. The views are amazing since they always are in the Canyon. We made it to Hance Creek which had plenty of water flowing, set up camp, and cleaned up. We had talked earlier about heading down canyon and taking a dayhike to Sockdolager Rapids but now all decided against it-- that would be a full day adventure for another trip. We mostly sat around camp and hung out all day enjoying the surroundings.

Day 4: It was time to get up and head out. We packed up camp and started our climb. Our exit day was all about elevation gain. The hike all the way to Page Spring is pretty steady. The spring has plenty of cool water. We filtered a little extra just to be safe, took a short rest, and headed on our way. The views are amazing all the way up to Horseshoe Mesa even though the trail seems painfully steep. I made my way to the top. I pulled my camera out to get some shots and rest a bit and of course that's when I get clumsy. I fell flat on my face with my pack on. My glasses cut my face a bit, I have a pretty gnarly bump on my forehead that I'm sure one of my fellow trip-mates will post a picture of, and I broke my camera :( . That is definitely the hardest anything has ever hit my face before :sl: . We checked out the cabin and then headed on up. The trail is nice at first and then gets steeper and steeper. The view of Horseshoe Mesa gets better and better. It's a great trail but a tough one. I finally made it to the top and was done :y:

It was a challenging backpack but worth every step. Thanks to John for setting this up, Chumley for driving, and Larry for the company and the great pizza :)
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