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Dec 14 2021
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 Mesa, AZ
Horns of Dilemma, AZ 
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Hiking2.36 Miles 474 AEG
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Quiet morning in and out hike. Tall grasses made route finding easy but sometimes hidden depending on terrain. I would guess there's been little use since last Spring. Overcast skies made for terrific glow on the Horns each time sunrays pierced the clouds. It seemed to me that this trek was a bit easier than the last time, but still one of the slower 1+ mile hikes.
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What a wonderful hike to the Horns of Dilemma. Not long, but sufficient up/down. The views are outstanding. The route is not a bushwack any longer. The trail has been travelled well enough we would have found it without a track to follow - in most places. We parked at the Mailbox TH (I think that's what it is called.) near Canyon Lake.
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2881 - Horns - Willow, AZ 
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johnlp
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Kelly suggested a hike in the Goldfields, and I was in. Such a unique area.
Started early so we were treated to a pretty sunrise. Great views from Peak 2881. The Horns were fun to scale. Looks like one of them wouldn't be too hard to top if you had a mind to. The hike back through the wash was much better than expected. Pour offs offered some scrambling and a challenge.
Fun day. Goldfield scenery is always very cool. Thanks Kelly. :)
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Jan 18 2021
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2881 - Horns - Willow, AZ 
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trekkin_gecko
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john had the day off so we decided not to hike south mountain this morning
i've said before that one of the best things about haz is the ideas you get from other people
we copied work from @adilling and @hikerdw, hiking a loop that included two landmarks which have been on my radar, peak 2881 and the horns of dilemma
started before sunrise, but only needed my headlamp for about ten minutes
had good light on the high points before sunrise
use trails to 2881, although we cut for the peak early
the ridgeline down to the horns was very nice
got up to the saddle between the horns
great views from all of the above
dropped down to willow creek
slow going at times in the gravel, but also cool high walls, bedrock and boulder hopping, classic goldfields scenery and some fun pour offs to negotiate
think we were 50-50 on pour off vs. bypass
all new territory for both of us - good to be back out in goldfields again
decent off trail - recommend the hike
thanks for driving, lp
good times!
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Jan 16 2021
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 Mesa, AZ
2881-Horns-Willow, AZ 
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adilling
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My plan this weekend was to hit Byous Butte and Hewitt Ridge, but there was a brush fire off Hewitt Station Road, so I wasn’t sure how that would affect the air up there. So, plan B was do a loop that I have long wanted to accomplish – Peak 2881, Horns of Dilemma and Willow Creek Wash. I have been checking out a triplog from @hikerdw that did this in the reverse – Willow Creek to the Horns and then up to 2881. I decided the other way would suit me better, plus I would get a sunrise from there if I arrived early enough.

I have hiked all three of these multiple times, but have never put them together as a loop.

The sunrise was worth getting up early for sure. Very vibrant. The clouds took over right after sunrise and made for a gloomy start. But they eventually burnt off and it was clear skies once I started down 2881 to the Horns.

The path up to 2881 is a nice hike. I have been up to the little ridgeline below the peak often, so getting there is no problem. I skipped the direct assault on the peak and opted to skirt the edge and work my way across and then up. Once I had my visit up at the summit, I started towards the ridgeline that would connect me to the Horns.

This area was new to me and I really enjoyed the views. There’s a kinda/sorta path to follow, but the route seems very clear either way. Once I made it up to the last saddle before the Horns, I felt some relief as most of the climbing for the day was over (or so I thought…ha ha).

I skipped climbing up to the Horns and instead hiked across the backside base and headed for Willow Creek. The last time I was in Willow Creek, I took it all the way to the Lake. There was some water in there that time. It was dry as a bone this time except for the large well at the first lower falls. My memory of that hike selectively erased all the bypasses I had to do. I went down the last time. This time I was going up.

A great loop. I saw no other human beings the entire hike. I did see some javelina down in the wash area. I really love this part of the Goldfields. So scenic and wild.
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Jan 13 2021
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69 male
 Joined Jun 27 2015
 Tucson, Arizona
Horns of Dilemma, AZ 
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Ginny and I spent three days in Apache Junction to do a little hiking. The first day we arrived around noon and planned a short hike to the Horns of Dilemma. I saw this hike posted from the New Year Day hike and thought it might be interesting. I have been watching the reruns of the old Doctor Who series from the 60's and this sounded like one of their episodes. I almost expected to see a couple of Daleks up there. The weather was to be in the mid 70's so it was perfect weather. There was a slight breeze which was nice because 70 degree weather can still be a bit warm in the sun. This would be Ginny's first hike in the Goldfields and the first time with full sun, the first hike she did was last January to Fremont saddle and it was damp and foggy. Couldn't even see Weavers Needle from the saddle.

I was expecting that this would be a hike without a trail just rock cairns to guide the way but I guess it is traveled enough that there is actually a trail. Actually there are two, one follows to the south side of the creek and the other more in the creek. Both have the same start and end sections. We did one in and the other back. Got to the horns but didn't climb up to the saddle between the horns. From the north side it actually isn't to hard to climb the rock up to the saddle but I'm not the rock scrambler I use to be. On the return trip I noticed that there is probably a route up from the Southeast side. I was content not going up, I figured the view won't be significantly better from 10 feet higher up. I turned into such a weenie as I've gotten older, or maybe I've gotten smarter.

The desert was really dry so as expected no water to report. I think I even saw a couple cactus trying to steel my canteen. There was a bald eagle sightings on this trip to the supes. I wasn't sure if that is what they were but Ginny said they were so when I got back home I looked up information about them being in the superstitions and sure enough they are. Looks a lot like a buzzard, of which that's all they are (glorified buzzard) but much larger with different coloring. On some of the other hikes I got photos of them though not spectacular photos.
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10th Annual New Year's Day Peak Bag, AZ 
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Another fantastic New Year's Day hike with the HAZ crew. Great views from the Massif with great company and banter. Thank you so much Pam for continuing this tradition!
Bonus hike afterwards to the Horns of Dilemma courtesy of tibber!
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Jan 01 2021
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 Joined Feb 26 2004
 Phoenix, AZ
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tibber
Hiking3.00 Miles 670 AEG
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I thot it would be nice to extend our hiking day after the New Year's gathering at the Canyon Lake Massif and this supposedly short hike would fit the bill. And it did for the most part except that one of the routes I downloaded had us bushwhacking up a slippery hill when there was no need. Our track on the way back was the best way to do this hike. On the way there the Horns always seemed far away even as we got closer.

We meandered up the hill via the road and then off road we went up and over... well kind of. We actually backtracked a bit and went to the right to stay closer to the track we had downloaded. This would happen again trying to stay true to the track. Pam stopped at the top of the hill and the rest of us continued on making our way to the creek area. Tom saw a path across the creek so we took that instead of hiking in the dry creek. There is a short time you end up back in the creek but then can grab the path again to the left.

We should have stayed on this track but instead saw what looked like a nice trail on the other side so we took that for awhile. We ended crossing back over the creek again to get back on the original path. However, Terry looks at the track, and Larry agrees, that we need to be on the other side of this hill to our right so up we all trod :sweat: . We eventually came to the area on top that is pretty much right in front of the Horns. Here we encounter a couple hikers and Larry and I asked them about the route they had taken. We would take that back the whole way.

Meanwhile you drop into a drainage area for a little bit before spotting the cairn for the route up. The route is fairly visible and there are cairns here and there. It's not too bad getting up to the saddle where Tom was waiting. The other two were already up on the Horns. Larry and I headed on up. We saw the other two coming down but couldn't quite figure out their route so once we were partially up we came down. By this time Tom had gone up the path and tried to climb up to the saddle but couldn't quite manage that last leg up so to speak. We continued along the north side of the Horns and then up from the west side to where the other two had gone.

And after checking out the views, we headed back down and took the route the other two hikers had pointed out and discussed. We made very good time though this path does fade a bit here and there and has some off-shoots but if you stay nearer the creek, you're good to go. Before you knew it, we were up the last hill and over to the jeep road. Pam was there to make sure we made it safely.

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Video 2: [ youtube video ]

Even though the Massif Horns hike was under 5 miles; I burned a lot of calories. Good thing we got cookies for fuel. I did not stop the WATCH record so both hikes show: 4.79 miles in 5:24 (includes party time) avg bpm 119, max bpm 178 (1 hr at max 5, 1:20 at anaerobic , 1:22 at aerobic, 1:14 weight control and 14 min at low intensity) Burned 1705 calories. Start temp 45.7 with haze and 28% humidity.
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Jan 01 2021
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Horns Of DilemmaPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking3.00 Miles 420 AEG
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Followed along with this fine group for another hike after completing the Canyon Lake Massif, routes had been downloaded for an easy 3 mile hike. Unfortunately we didn’t follow those routes on the approach, if the route we took is ever posted, I propose naming it the champagne route. We persisted generally in the correct direction while trying various “trails” through the washes or up the hills . Finally arriving I wasn’t able to climb up the Horns, too much champagne , not enough footholds , legs too short and other excuses . Still enjoyed nice views from the base of the horns and circumventing at least the backside . Return trip was much quicker that route I’ll refer to as the sober route. Enjoyable trip with a great group, glad I joined along, thanks Angela for coming up with this idea.
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Jan 01 2021
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 Phoenix, AZ
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This hike was a nice addition to our 10th Annual New Years Day Peak Bag (Canyon Lake Massif) hike in the morning. Primed with @outdoor_lover's oatmeal cookies, chocolate covered strawberries and champagne we set off at a lively pace but soon ran into some route finding difficulties. Probably caused by the champagne. This hike does not have an official trail but there were several use trails leading in the general direction and more than a few confusing animal trails. @outdoor_lover decided to abandon the Dilemma and waited on the first ridgetop for us to return. We encountered two other hikers heading back to the trailhead when we were on the final approach. They told us of a more direct route to take on our way back which led to a speedy return after reaching our goal.

This hike does not disappoint with it's amazing geology and views. The route finding confusion was only temporary and in the end it seemed that most trails will get you there.
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A quick Sunday morning hike. I chose this one to avoid the crowds in the Superstitions.

I always like to take people out to this little hike. The path is getting so clear. It's an actual trail now. We saw no other people except for a couple that had driven up to the end of the road to get a view. Other than that, we had the place to ourselves.

We went up along the east/north side, but had some younger ones with us and opted to not climb up between the horns. We did take the back way around and did a little bushwhacking back to the trail.

Nice views as always - Canyon Lake, Weavers Needle, Four Peaks and Saguaro Lake, all from one place!

A nice hike on a beautiful day.

When we first started out along the road and we ran into a big pile of crap someone had dumped. There's not much else that pisses me off more than seeing this. Someone did not want to spend $10 for the dump and decided to take it out to the desert. PATHETIC. I hope that does not encourage more losers to do the same. UGH!
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Willow - Massif - Salt - Dilemma - 2881 Loop, AZ 
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Bruce put together a nice loop in the part of Goldfields I had not hiked before. It was mostly off trail so some tough miles but made up for it with the views. We started by hiking over to scenic overlook of Canyon Lake Massif. Took a break there for a few minutes before heading down towards the Salt River below the dam. We didn’t make it all the way to Salt River because difficult terrain but it was close enough for us.

Then we hiked up Willow Creek drainage up to the Horns of Dilemma where we had lunch and had great views of both Canyon Lake and Salt River below the dam. After lunch we continued in a southerly direction on a ridgeline which provided the best views of the day and some pleasant hiking. We took a break on Peak 2881 which I believe was the high point for the day. The only tricky part was coming off the peaks south slope which was loose scree mixed with cholla just for added sport factor. After that a bit more ridgeline and a drainage back to the vehicle.
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Feb 08 2020
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Hiking12.42 Miles 2,755 AEG
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It was my week to come up with a hike. I did not have much time, so I went to an area on Route Editor I have not been to before, clicked to find all the routes in the area, and cobbled together a route that fit the bill. The majority of the route was from @hikerdw (thanks) with a couple of twists.

We started at a large pull out directly across from Little Four Peaks. From here we jumped into Willow Creek. The geology is quite stunning down here. There were some pools and drops we had to bypass, all quite easy.

We jumped out of Willow Canyon on our way over to the Canyon Lake Massif. This is an old Jeep road for awhile until reaching the saddle, where a well defined use trail is apparent. It's beginning is steep, but short lived. Stay on the high trail to get over to the east side of the Massif.
You get a great overlook of the Mormon Flat Dam on the way [ youtube video ] ,
but the payoff is the views of Canyon Lake. [ youtube video ]

Next up, is to try and get to Salt Creek at the end of Willow Creek. I suggested a shortcut from the planned track, trying out a feeder canyon into Willow Canyon. It worked out great and by the footprints in it, it's kind of popular. We got to within 75' or so of the Salt River. We stopped when we got to an area with 40' boulders and a 40' drop. It looks like you could potentially get down there, but we had other places to try out.

Back up Willow Creek until the turn off to the Horns of Dilemma. (I wonder where that name came from) In spots there is a good use trail and it peters out in others. We took lunch at the north base of "The Horns" in the shade.

Next stop was Peak 2881. It's a teaser with a few false summits. More Great 360 views. Getting up from the west, was far easier and safer than our retreat to the east. Steep, loose and slow.

This was another very nice sample of the Eastern Goldfields.
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A couple of Blue Dicks here and there

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Bruce elongated a route by @hikerdw with a side trip. We headed out with the wrestling fan Kacklepelli. To put it lightly it's a smorgasbord of views. From the makeshift trailhead we followed a powerline road that faded before passing over FR 1817. Then we were in the true origin of Willow Creek heading down.

Willow is never tough, never boring, good little workout. We were minutes from the sun the whole friggin way down. Guess who dressed lite...lol On the brightside(gasp), views popped often around the bends.

Canyon Lake Massif was the side trip. Chums has yet to chastise my naming of this little gem, borderline seal of approval! It's a treat at sunrise and sunset. Unfortunately an annoying glare in harsh light. Views down on Mormon Flat Dam stole the show in better light.

Next we took the lowest tributary of Willow to Willow proper and the final hurrah to the Salt River. Cool tickle once and appears to be very popular by an army of foot prints. A bunch of HAZ'r tracks on MapDEX too.

Up and out of Willow we scattered then I led to the horns of dilemma for lunch. Other than Black Glass Canyon I'm not a huge Goldfield fan. The Horns of Dilemma is a rock solid knockout punch. Intriguing in itself but listen kid, the views. The Four Peaks to the Rolls. A few hikes directly across the Salt I enjoy, notably for the debatable history.

After lunch Karl took the lead and it was like watching the old fern grow. Totally exaggerated because he dishes out the trash talk with the best of 'em. 2881 was on our route. There was mumble of side skirting the ascent until solid reasoning entered. Turned out to be a double false summit ascent. Easy peasy tiptoe around cholla otherwise.

Then I got a big ol' slice of humble pie descending the flipside. A steep descent down loose terrain through a never ending lightly scattered cholla mine field. The guys were extremely patient with my miserably slow three point crawl down. Got lucky without a single slip, which would have been an ugly mess.

We checked out a litchen plastered ridge then backtracked to FR 1817 then back to square one.

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The net views are tough to beat. Thoroughly enjoyed. Highly recommend for the avid. Not itchin' to return for a few years. I would not bring a dog I loved on this hike. Any car can access.
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Jan 20 2020
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Hiking3.56 Miles 808 AEG
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Figured it was time to complete this one w/ the kiddos. Started from TH w/ a small gang (my three kids, brother-in-law, fiance, friend, dog, etc). Kids were whiney at the start, even with the outstanding hiking conditions (easy footpath, cloudy skies, nice breeze), and the first mile dragged. BIL's dog kept collecting cholla in her paws so they turned back after a mile and left me out there w/ the three kids. Surprisingly, this is when things got fun. We stopped for a quick lunch and then zipped up to the horns, the 2-year old leading the charge up that loose scramble of a climb, hunting cairns and elusive path like a pro. Views are outstanding from the horns. The descent was a bit tricky - carried 2yr, and 5yr fell backwards into a cholla and got a handful of spines.

After the trauma we dropped down to one of the Willow Creek tributaries, found a clear pool of water, and I showed them how to collect and filter water. They were attentive, either because they were too exhausted to wander away or because I promised to make them cocoa with the filtered water. Cocoa and cookies were a big hit (hopefully I didn't just make that the new 'norm' for dayhikes). On the way back I let the two boys find their own way back, letting them hop from tributary to trail, keeping them within earshot in case of injury, while 2yr and I strolled and chatted. On a whim we looped north around the final hill and found a well-cairned trail that shoots up out of the creek before turning with the contours, making a much easier return to the two-track.

As usual for this area, there are at least 2, if not more, cairned paths to choose from. Most of them work out.
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Hiking2.54 Miles 322 AEG
Hiking2.54 Miles   2 Hrs   28 Mns   1.11 mph
322 ft AEG      11 Mns Break
 
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Sister and her bf joined me and my three kids on a late morning hike. Temps were nice and we quickly shed outer layers. Trail was well cairned and I let the 5 yr old do most of the route finding. Kids started whining at the final saddle so we decided to skip the final climb to the horn’s base. Overall, the section near Willow Creek was the most scenic, and it was nice talking with adults after so many kid vacation days.
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 Mesa, AZ
Horns Of DilemmaPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 05 2018
CannondaleKid
Hiking5.60 Miles 1,234 AEG
Hiking5.60 Miles   3 Hrs   1 Min   1.91 mph
1,234 ft AEG      5 Mns Break10 LBS Pack
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I woke with no clue where I would hike, so I just packed up and headed out, making the first few decisions randomly, something like if this light is red, I'm turning right and soon found myself heading east toward Apache Junction. But where to?

Ok, I knew about the ongoing construction on Apache Trail and thought I'd see how far it had progressed, so chose to drive north to just before vehicles were being stopped by a flagman, then find a spot to park and hike from there.

The flagman was at Milepost 207 and there just happened to be a spot I could pull off. I'd never started from there before so it was just a matter of 'head west' and see what happens. It wasn't long before I came up with the idea to go to the Horns of Dilemma.

Great! Only I wasn't paying enough attention and continued west instead of north along Willow Creek. And of course, with no plan, I didn't have a waypoint for the Horns so did the guess-by-gosh approach... and paid for it. :doh:

Soon I was surrounded by canyon walls and had to decide, go back to Willow Creek, or find some way to climb out, somewhat in the general direction of the Horns.

I chose the devil I didn't know... and yes, it turned out to be a devil of a climb. I not only was wearing the wrong clothes for passing through cat's-claw and the other assorted wait-a-minute thorny brush, I was wearing the wrong boots for the terrain. Once I was out of the canyon, I was faced with continuing to the Horns down a very steep slope, or find another less-steep but longer route. Having already messed up my recovery with a fall three weeks ago (and paying for it) I chose to seek an easier route.

No such luck... I just wasted a mile of wandering checking out various drainages, only to find them even more sketchy. So... back to the steep slope immediately across from the Horns. It was more stressful than anything, having to continue planting a hiking pole each step to keep from sliding down the loose pea-gravel. Just a few times when the ground began to give way and I just sat down to keep from falling and I made it down.

By the time I was immediately below the Horns I was ready to head for easier terrain so skipped the last climb and headed out along the drainage, eventually linking up with the semi-official trail to/from the Horns until Willow Creek, then took the shortest route up and over the ridge then decided which route to take back where I began.

After reaching the ridge as I began scanning for a route, I noticed a bighorn sheep above and some distance from me. My first thought was to get closer, but with so much open terrain between us I figured it would take off before I could get much closer, so settled for taking a few full zoom shots.

At that point, I thought there was only one bighorn, but the moment I put my camera away and started to move, whad'daya know, there's another one. Shucks, I missed it! But when I got home and looked through the photos, there it is!

Be sure to check out the photoset and tell me whether you think the bighorn is missing a front leg or not... it sure looks like it. And of course, when the second sheep moved, it took my attention off the first so I didn't see if it moved normally or hopped away. Just something to look for next time I'm in the area.

Oh yeah, Apache Trail... I reconnected with it just south of Canyon Lake Overlook so I don't know how far it's paved (to the lake?) right now, but it is NICE and smooth! But that may be a bad thing...
I can already imagine one of the crotch-rocket crew taking a spill. ](*,)
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Horns Of DilemmaPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 29 2017
jameslcox44
Hiking5.00 Miles 420 AEG
Hiking5.00 Miles   4 Hrs      1.25 mph
420 ft AEG
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Our club hike schedule includes a hike to 'Horns of a Dilemma'. I hadn't done this loop and John offered to help me find a 4 to 5 mile loop before the club doing the hike. After leaving the car at the Mailbox trail head, we headed southwest over the ridge and bushwhacked down to Junk Canyon where we followed the creek bed until reaching a large pool where canyon walls narrowed to close our path. This amazed us after more than 100 days with no rain in the Valley. At that point, we climbed high above the pool to find a perch where we could view 3 more pools south of where we stood. Now, we wanted to close the loop by moving to 'Horns of a Dilemma'. We continued northbound over the ridge as much as possible. After crossing areas of steep, risky drop offs, we decided this may not be the best route for a 'club' hike. We finally made it to 'Horns of a Dilemma' and followed Sidewalk Canyon back to the trail head. We have more than a week to figure out how to do the loop before we take our group, so we will do more exploring.
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