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Jan 21 2018
wallyfrack
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White Mountain 6,100Globe, AZ
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wallyfrack
Hiking13.01 Miles 3,954 AEG
Hiking13.01 Miles   8 Hrs   15 Mns   1.58 mph
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It was time for another hike up on White Mountain to hit some sub-peaks and explore. FR172 is in good shape and the recent rain kept the dust down on the drive in. It was cool early but once the sun came out the weather was perfect. No animals spotted on this trip but there was some light snow. Nothing great was found but I did get a good look around.
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DallinW
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White Mtn 6100 - Rough Cyn - Rogers Cyn, AZ 
White Mtn 6100 - Rough Cyn - Rogers Cyn, AZ
 
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DallinW
Hiking17.38 Miles 4,065 AEG
Hiking17.38 Miles   12 Hrs   50 Mns   1.57 mph
4,065 ft AEG   1 Hour   46 Mns Break
 
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I decided to crash Joe and Bruce's saturday hike this week. I met up with Bruce around 6:00 AM near Country Club and US-60. Joe ended up having vehicle troubles and had to bail last minute.

We started around 7:30 AM at Rogers Trough, and cruised up to Reavis Saddle. We ran into an AZT thru hiker on the way up and had a quick chat. We turned off Reavis Ranch 109 South at the appropriate spot and started heading up a drainage towards White Mountain. Nice and easy for the first little bit, then our route had us leaving the drainage, and the fight with manzanita/oak hell began.

On the summit of White Mountain we took a break and enjoyed the views. Bruce signed us in on the summit log. It was a little cloudy but the view on top was still pretty amazing, I can only imagine what it looks like on a crisp, clear day. I will be back again for this one. Getting to this point wasn't too bad, it felt like we were making pretty good time. I looked at RS, saw we had "only" 10 miles left, and told Bruce something along the lines of: "I think we will make it back in about 5 hours." Wrong!

We left the summit and headed down the mountain towards Rough Canyon. The brush was much more forgiving on this side of the mountain, but the slopes were loose rocks instead. I wasn't exactly sure what to expect with Rough Canyon, I just knew it was off trail and the name made it sound a little intimidating. The canopy of pines and sycamores at the start of the canyon was a cool little spot. Plenty of nice spots to camp that look like they've never been touched.

Eventually the canyon walls start to rise and you find yourself in the creek bed more often than not. Then a series of falls start and you'll be choosing whether to scramble down or skirt up and around the falls. The going got really slow. Along the way, Bruce decided to take a quick dunk in one of the pools to cool off, and about a quarter mile later I decided to do it as well. :) I kept looking at RS after what felt like a mile and usually found we had only gone about a quarter of a mile... So much for that 5 hour estimate. :lol:

By the time we reached Frog Tanks I was pretty sore and I was starting to bonk. Rough Canyon used some muscles I don't use very often, and for much longer than I usually use them. We enjoyed a break at the intersection of Rough Canyon and Rogers Canyon before starting the ascent back up Rogers to the TH. It felt like it was going to be a slog, but I was just happy to be back on a trail by this point. One foot in front of the other is all that was required now. :)

We ran into 2 groups of backpackers at Angel Basin, and then another group further up the trail who were headlighting into Angel Basin. I finally caught a good second wind just before the Rogers Canyon/Reavis Ranch JCT, but I still finished feeling pretty sore. We finished around 8:20 PM.

If you just look at mileage and AEG this hike doesn't seem too difficult, but this is the hardest 17 miles and 4000ft I've worked for in a long time. I was telling Bruce on the way out I wasn't sure if I was going to come back again for Rough Canyon, but after looking at pictures of this canyon in the fall, and the ruins (we didn't look too hard), I think I'll have to come back again sometime.

Great hike with great company!
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White Mountain 6100 - Rough Canyon Loop, AZ 
White Mountain 6100 - Rough Canyon Loop, AZ
 
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The_Eagle
Hiking18.01 Miles 4,180 AEG
Hiking18.01 Miles   12 Hrs   51 Mns   1.50 mph
4,180 ft AEG      51 Mns Break16 LBS Pack
 
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Joe's been trying to get me to do this one for awhile now, but there was always something that got in the way.

It was his week to pick and the stars aligned. Dallin was looking for a place to stomp, it was on. One problem, Joe was having vehicle problems, so this hike went from 3 stooges, to only two.

Reavis Ranch 109 is still in great shape. We made a brief detour at the Grave and made our way to the top. On the way up we stopped to trade stories with a solo AZT through hiker from Maine.

Once to the top and in the pines, the route provide to us had us following a creek bed off of the #109. Easy enough. There was even some evidence of past trimming and cairns. This took us up to an alcove area we were going to check out. We decided the push through the bush, was not warranted.

Missing a turn to go up, we opted for a southern approach to White Mountain. The views from 6075 or 6100' were some of the best 360 Supes views out there.

Crappy Summit Video :next: [ youtube video ]

Time to drop into Rough Canyon. This is a beautiful, tree covered, water filed, boulder hopping/sliding/traversing dream..... that turns into a nightmare. It took fooorrreeevvver to get through it. 4.5 miles and 4.5 hours (including lunch) to get through this monster. Don't get me wrong, this place is gorgeous, but I was so ready for it to be over. We even found plenty of "Use" tread, that kept us out of the boulders.

Frog Tanks #112 was a welcome site, but still more boulder hopping off and on. We passed a couple of backpackers here, and then two occupied campsites in Angel Basin.

The Rogers Canyon #110 was done mainly in the dark back to the car.

Great hiking with Dallin, I'm sure there will be more. It's nice to have a 6'-7" body, breaking a swath off in front of you!
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Water all over around the area

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Good flow the entire length

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Plenty to filter

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Plenty, but hard to tell if its the spring or the creek

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Water available the entire length
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May 22 2016
Booneman
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White Mountain 6,100Globe, AZ
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Booneman
Hiking9.81 Miles 2,594 AEG
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Wally drug me up to the summit of White Mountain. Getting to the top was a bit rough, and his definition of "not that bad" was clearly different than mine. :) We both couldn't believe how nice, and at times cool it was out in the Supes in late May.

Pretty sure we saw a Mexican Black Kingsnake on our way out. At least that's what Google told me it was. Gummo, can you confirm if they are likely to be in this area? It was quite large, really fast, had a shiny blueish tint and possibly red on its
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May 22 2016
wallyfrack
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White Mountain 6,100Globe, AZ
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wallyfrack
Hiking9.81 Miles 2,594 AEG
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We started at 7:30a and it was nice and cool at the trailhead. The road in is still in good shape but there was some signs of water running across a few washes recently. My idea of "not bad" off trail means not crawling more than five feet at a time, clothing remains intact, no catclaw, some class 3 scrambles with loose rocks and some maybe some brushes/trees to push through but they lack teeth. For me if it's better than that it classifies as a trail. :lol: There was a group stretching at the trailhead getting ready to do maintenance on the West Pinto trail. I thought West Pinto was just fine last time I hiked it but what do I know?? The Reavis trail was in good shape and the the off trail is "not bad". The breeze kept us cool and was almost chilly at times. Just another good day in the Supes ;)
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 Tempe, AZ
Sugar N Cimeron, AZ 
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chumley
Hiking17.24 Miles 4,796 AEG
Hiking17.24 Miles   12 Hrs   18 Mns   1.50 mph
4,796 ft AEG      47 Mns Break
 
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Somehow, neither Lee nor I was carrying today. Good thing we both still have faith in humanity!

Lee promised me an 8-mile hike and it sounded nice. So in the dark 13 hours later, pushing 20 miles and 5,000aeg, with over 8 miles of OFF-TRAIL, we managed to hit two new peaks for me, including Cimeron, which is a great destination that I would recommend to anybody.

The off-trail was slow, especially in Rough Canyon, as we were both pretty fatigued at that point. It was very welcoming to reach the trail again, even though we had such a long way to get back and knew that darkness would fall. At least there was a full moon.

Of course, along the way, Lee had to take a few detours to find piles of rocks. I had established that if they weren't still assembled and held together with mortar, I would have no interest. Luckily he delivered. There's some cool stuff out there!

And to think the Coliseum was built only like 1,000 years earlier than any of this stuff!

Saw a huge black-tail below the Cimeron summit. Also a nice turtle in the water in Rough Canyon, who didn't really like me picking him up, and a great horned owl in Rogers Canyon. My photo was a little sub-par by Outdoor Lover standards, so I didn't even bother posting it.

Great day out there. A little warm in the afternoon sun, but otherwise damn near perfect.

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Couldn't discern the spring specifically because there is plenty of water in the canyon. Pools abound, and light flow occurs periodically. Some underground dry areas also exist.

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Plenty of pools in Rogers right now. Some occasional light flow. Should easily last another month with no further precipitation.

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Plenty of pools in Rogers, from just below Rogers TH, all the way to Rough Canyon. Some dry areas, but probably 50% flowing. There will be pools here for a while.

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Couldn't discern spring specifically. Entire canyon has pools of water and occasional light flow.

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Tons of deep pools. Many with more than just a trickle. No shortage of water, certainly will last at least into May 2014, and likely into June in some places, even if it doesn't rain again.
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Rogers TH to the dwellings, to Angel Basin, north onto Frog Tanks, 1st canyon on right.
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wallyfrack
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White Mountain 6,100Globe, AZ
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Hiking12.80 Miles 3,492 AEG
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On 12/8/12 we hiked 12.8 miles in 8 hours and 12 minutes. This wasn't the plan but that's how it worked out. We started out at 7:36a and hiked in the brisk moring air from roger's trough. We made a stop at the grave and located a few pot sherds before moving on. Once on reavis saddle we took the spur trail and hiked over two false summits before topping out on White Mountain at around 10:30a. After a short break and some photos we bush surfed down the west side and heaed for the mesa. We stopped again at the big stone slab but after passing that I was zoned out and we crossed the drainage and went northwest. We followed the bear scat but the bear was going the wrong way. I was looking for ruins in Rough Canyon and realized we redirected. It was already past 12p so we set a course to intersect Frog Tanks trail and pushed our way down ugly draw. The future plan is to camp down by the Frog Tanks/Rough Canyon intersection and hike to the ruins and summit Cimeron Mountain while we're there. What do think Kyle? : rambo : Once on Frog Tanks trail we hiked into Angel Basin and stopped in to show Mike the ruins. We seemed to be making good time back to the trailhead but it seemed like a long four miles getting back at 3:48a. Just as we were leaving we noticed a white Nissan Altima with Texas plates parked at Roger's Trough trailhead. :o Must be a rental.
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Another adventure in the Supes with Wally Supes Farak and Mike.My first time on White mountain and the views were awesome.It is always cool to see the Supes from another view.There are lots of cool rock formations and stuff to check out and the off trail stuff is an adventure in itself.Good times gentlemen! :y: Thanks for driving,Wally! :D
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Hiking11.82 Miles 2,981 AEG
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Another good one with Kyle the Heartless. Dropped hints of a night White Mountain/ Rough Canyon Hike. It was really a bait and switch and Mr. Heartless aka tough_boots was on board for White Mountain 6100. Got to the trail head around 8 with the plan of hiking up for the Perseid. Wasn't disappointed. Stopped at the Reavis grave, but couldn't find him in the dark. Most of the time when Kyle agrees to hike with me we come back in the dark we hours. This time I changed it up on him and we came home after sun up. :sl: Enjoyable hike particularly because night bushwacking leads to a whole lot of missteps and profanity screaming. I'm pretty sure Kyle equaled if not bettered me in this department. We got to the summit log to find out we we're the last one's to visit in 4/11. :o We saw lots of tarantulas along the way and Kyle took pictures of poop. :whistle: I played around with my camera learning the night features and successfully got no pictures of meteors. :y: I did however, enjoy my frozen 32 ounce Gatorita as we watched a pumpkin lot of meteors and wondered if the fog/haze coming in below us was going to make our return trip even more difficult. I played with a snake that was either a good replica or a poisonous coral snake unfortunately with no sleep I couldn't remember the rhyme. We stopped by and visited Reavis on the way back. The company was great and neither of us would probably have good memories of the hike if we hadn't spent 2+ hours watching a good Perseid show in perfect temps with a nice cool breeze.
P.S. I think my Gatorita has some marketing potential in the hiking circles. :sl:
Pps. Why doesn't anyone ever summit this peak? It has the best I mean WORST! views in the entire Supes.
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I'm not sure why I thought Joel's idea sounded like a good one-- I guess I was just excited about the meteor shower. There are so many other peaks you can bag at night that have actual trails.

We started around 8 pm and made the summit just after midnight. I watched the meteor shower for a couple hours while Joel got frustrated at his inability to work his fancy camera :) . It looked like a pretty thick haze had rolled over the valley and surrounding areas so all the other stargazers must have been disappointed.

We eventually headed back down and took turns getting lost and turned around. Bushwacking in the dark with no visible landmarks is quite the experience. I probably won't do it again (until the next time I hike with Joel).

We hiked the last few miles in the light which was a nice change even though it was final proof that we were out way too late.

The Perseids rule! I also agree with Joel-- this peak rules (in the daytime). Its weird that more people don't summit it.
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Canyoneering17.20 Miles 3,396 AEG
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Joel and I decided to see what the big deal was with this White Mountain/Rough Cyn loop was. Well, actually, I'll just blame this whole debacle on Joel-- I was just along for the ride :) . We made our way up White Mountain which actually isn't too bad of a bushwack. The ravine you follow for the first section is fairly easy to work up. Once you pop out of the ravine and start your climb over to the peak, the views start to really open up. White Mountain had snow on it which made things a little more difficult. I actually slipped while scaling some rocks and took a fall that I was shocked to be walking away from unhurt. Luckily I fell into a foot deep bed of snow. We made it to the summit with the best view of the Superstition Ridgeline I can imagine seeing. This is a summit worth your time!

We ate lunch, signed the register (which has 5 years between some visits), and headed down the other side for Rough Canyon. We made it down and entered under a canopy of large trees. This first section of the canyon might be one of the coolest areas of the Supes I've been in. We slowly made our way down the canyon. When I say slowly, I mean SLOWLY. I've never had miles take so long. This truly is the canyon that never ends. Every time I looked down at my GPS, it seemed like we had barely moved. By the time we got near the ruins, I just wanted a break so I found a nice cool rock to sit on while Joel bushwacked up and checked them out.

This is pretty much where the canyon stops being fun. More waterfalls start appearing that you either need to downclimb or find ways to avoid and everything is sharp and covered in thorns. It really never seems to end. As a clue of how slow going this is, we first reached the bottom of the canyon at about 2:45 and did the last 1/4 mile the canyon in the dark-- it's only 3.5 miles long! I found that climbing on rocks in the dark with only a headlamp is not my favorite thing.

We finally reached the Frog Tanks trail. I'd never been so happy to see a trail! It's a little hard to follow in the dark, but better than being in that godforsaken canyon any longer. It felt good to finally pick up the pace. We did our best to make it back to the trailhead in decent time.

hike start time: 7:10 am
hike end time: 12 midnight :o

White Mountain was awesome. The best thing about Rough Canyon is that I'll never have to hike it again! My camera apparently stopped working properly after we got into the canyon so the only pics I have are from the good part. :)
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Most time spent hiking in a day for me. To follow up last weeks longest distance I've hiked in a day. Beware of that Tough Boots guy he's a hiking slave driver. But that's just what it takes to crack the top 10 on that pesky little annual data thing that I always bump when trying to access the site from my touchscreen phone which tells me that even dogs have more miles than me after my extended work training. :worthy: :sl:
On a more serious side, this is as tough as Kyle described in his triplog. The snow compounded the difficulty. I didn't do my research as well as I could have and did not realize how slow going it would be. In fairness Kyle was a great sport as I know jumping from rock to rock is not his favorite type of hiking and there was times on this hike I was starting to feel the same way. Now I realize that route finding in the dark on trails I've never been on that insist on crossing the stream over and over after doing one of my most difficult canyon hikes is my least favorite. :)
I swore I would never do this loop again, which may be true. I would like to explore this canyon again maybe as a multi day as I just did not have enough time to see everything I wanted to see. I second the views from White Mountain. The views from the peak were spectacular and were what I thought might be at the top of Mound Mountain when I tried to talk him into climbing that last week.
I was wowed by the clouds and wish my pictures did justice to some of the multi-colored steaks of cloud formations we saw. I'm not sure what creates these and I wish my camera would have captured them better. These alone would have been worth the hike. Then White Mountain views and finally the ruins. Small, but interesting. I can not recall keyhole doorways anywhere around here except Walnut Canyon in Flastaff which was the first interesting feature of these. It was obvious by the shovel and pan by one of the ruins that they have both been visited and probably lived in more recently. The other interesting feature was the pictographs inside that seemed to then be covered by the soot of fires making them a sheeny black. I actually saw some similar pictographs at Palatki last week.
All in all, my memory of the difficult parts and the not so fun parts are fading fast in comparison to the views and other positives I found from this hike. The company was great (I'm pretty sure a sense of humor was kept even after we both wanted the hike to be done) and although I won't be doing this again in the near future this was one of my more memorable recent hikes. Sorry to the backpacker who pitched their tent right on the trail that I practically tripped over on the way out. :o Hope I didn't wake you up. :)
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White Mountain 6,100Globe, AZ
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Hiking11.10 Miles 3,400 AEG
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6:35am Wally and Dave wanted to get on the ridge south of Rough Canyon and glass for other ruins. This trip up White Mtn was considerably more enjoyable than our previous excursion on Mar 6th. Along the way Wally and I checked out peak 6,030 cause that's what real hikers do while the balance of the crew took an easy route.

8:48am We topped out on White Mountain. Bob was cold so he bolted. The game plan here was to head down and get to some vantage point on the ridge below. I wasn't sure which ridge as it looks like a sea of ridges and canyons below. Pretty neat and I was curious where Wally was going to lead us.

9:30am We arrived at the southern end of a shear wall banded mesa (about 5,811 up top). Dave and Bob tried to summit while the sane crew moved onwards.

10:20am(ish) Amy, Wally and I arrived at the Rough Canyon Ruins overlook. We didn't see any other ruins as hoped from above so we moved on. At this point we thought B&D were way ahead of us since we saw them on a far ridge shortly prior.

10:35am(ish) We arrived at 5,100 saddle (the "O" in Tonto on Toh-poh) then noticed B&D out at the ruins overlook. So we decided to lunch and wait. They appeared to be wobbling around and not moving at B&D speed. Later we learned they didn't know we were on the saddle across the ravine so they were probably talking over what to do.

11:20am The full group was on the prowl again heading down to a 5k saddle above Redwood Spring. Getting over there proved a little undesirable. With Bob in the lead it was kind of like speed boxing. While the number of punches was high the next hit came so quick you didn't have time to whine about the previous one.

11:58am We attained the saddle. At first things looked a little grim and we weren't sure what to do. After a look at the map it appeared hope was in sight and Rogers! Canyon was closer than anticipated.

12:30pm Arrived at 5,145, sort of a peninsula saddle just right of the red 2 on topo. Life got good here as we spotted Rogers ruins down the canyon or Trough Ruins as Dave4 calls 'em. I knew we wanted to angle towards the TH from several previous trips down below and recall looking up thinking... someday. Heck someday was happing now!

1:20pm Hopped onto Rogers Trail after a painful eighth mile through dense cats claw.

2:32pm Back to the TH

Summary While the immediate rewards on this hike aren't worthy of a return I'm very glad I got to see this terrain. Thanks Wally for another great hike. Good to meet Amy.

I'm using my second backup GPS after water damage to my Oregon last year and lost my Vista yesterday on Sheep Ridge. Unfortunately the old Magellan can't upload/download to anything but TOPO! which can't repackage the data into anything but waypoints. I got 4,800+ AEG on TOPO! but tapered it down to Wally's reading.

Wildflower Report Lots of wallflowers and the #109 is sidelined with a bunch of pretty blue flowers. I chose the moderate rating as it's definitely a step up from light in many areas.
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 Scottsdale, AZ
White Mountain 6,100Globe, AZ
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Hiking12.50 Miles 3,957 AEG
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This was a fun challenge. Caveman Dave and I went lots of places the others didn't.... not just one boring peak Joe and Wally went to. We seperated from the group doing some cave exploring and thought the others would wait for us. After climbing to a high point we saw them and followed. In the meantime, They doubled back and were climbing up the area we had just left. We turned around and headed back by the time we got back they were gone and we couldn't see them. We used some special communication methods Joe and I developed over the years and eventually we saw them.

The group was together again until the next new cave which was really cool. Caves were the highlight of this trip. Dave and I caught up again and we worked our way to the saddle and then down...down...down.

Fun hike...great group...thanks for drivin Wally. Remember Christmas is over ;)
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White Mountain 6,100Globe, AZ
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Hiking11.10 Miles 3,400 AEG
Hiking11.10 Miles   7 Hrs   58 Mns   1.54 mph
3,400 ft AEG      45 Mns Break
 
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This is the kind of hike you can like or not. The best route up to White Mountain so far is from Reavis saddle. The maps don't show the terrain detail that well so it's at your own risk and lots of route finding. I think it would be better to exit Rough Canyon or the unnamed drainage to the south if I find myself out there again. It was very interesting to see the various arches, windows alcoves, cliffs, hoodoos and side canyons in the interior. We did wait for Dave & Bob and I have a picture. ;)
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White Mountain 6,100Globe, AZ
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Hiking12.09 Miles 4,006 AEG
Hiking12.09 Miles   7 Hrs   58 Mns   1.68 mph
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Starting from Roger's TH, we followed Rogers to Reavis Trail up to Reavis Saddle. From there we found a nice use trail up to the ridge that eventually took us up to White Mountain. The cool breeze atop White felt good, something I would really miss later in the day as the temps rose.

On the way up to White I stopped to grab a dead century plant stalk to use as a walking stick. I needed to shorten it by about half so I laid it on top a rock and gave it a good stomp. Well, one end came up rather quick and whacked me dead in the ear! My ear swelled up to Obama size and was quite painful. This accident combined with my seasonal allergies kicking in pretty much made the rest of the day miserable for me. I tried not to whine too much though.

After a short stop on White we headed down to the west, attempting to attain a mesa where we might have a good view of Rough Canyon. Bob took a strong lead ahead and decided to take a nap in his bivy sack while waiting for us to catch up. Due to a snagged zipper Bob was unable to exit his bivy. Watching him writhe around in this small black sack reminded me of a cat giving birth and the kittens breaking though the birthing sack :sk:

Shortly after watching Bob come into this brand new world (it was quite breath taking :budrose: ) the group split into two. Bob and I went to check out some over-hangs and the other three went searching for a lunch spot, I guess. Even though the purpose of this hike was to look for more ancient ruins, it seemed like 3/5 of the group did everything they could to avoid finding any :-s .

After an hour or two the group was whole again and we started looking for our exit. We followed some game trails around the west side of White, about a thousand feet directly above Roger's Trail. Bob and I stopped again to investigate some small caves while the others waited for us on a saddle. Most of the drainages that we wanted to follow down to Rogers Trail looked like they would have cliffed us out so we trudged on. Eventually we found a nice long slope that lead us to Rogers but not before passing through the worst cat claw field I have ever experienced! Good times!

All in all a good hike with a ridiculously fast group that really wore me out. If I could do it again though I would opt to take Rough Canyon instead of the exit we took. Although longer, with the water falls and partial shade, Rough Canyon is more enjoyable.

:thanx: guys...and girl! And thanks for driving Wally!

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Another 1st for me - thanks for letting me tag along guys!

It was like a watching a cartoon when we saw Dave & Bob all the way over to our left, then after checking out the ruins, going back down, into the canyon and over to where they were, only to find them right back where we just came from!!! :? How did that happen??

Despite the fact that I was robbed of seeing any ruins ;) (real or imagined), it was a fun hike, except for the cats claw field from hell!

Hope your ear is better Dave!
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Canyoneering16.10 Miles 3,800 AEG
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7:05am - Set out on an adventure with Dave and Wally. We took #109 up past Reavis Saddle then headed off-trail towards Honeycutt Spring. This creek had a decent flow, most likely from last weeks 8 inch snow that Dave saw last Sunday. Luckily high temps all week cleared out the unwanted white fluff.

9:07am - We didn't see Honeycutt Spring specifically, probably under the creek flow.

Soon after the bushwhacking turned Sheep Mountain on us. Dave had visions of meadows, Wally and I began to question his sanity.

10:10am - The bad stuff seemed to let up nearing White Mountain. Dave decides he wants to check out a cave (alcove) subjecting us all to more bush terror.

10:31am - Did my best to pound Dave with snowballs before he returned fire

10:41am - Summited White Mountain 6,100. Didn't think much of it until I noticed the last summit register was two years ago and the book goes back to 1982! Then I started noticing the views. This is hands down a top ten peak for views in Arizona. Painted cliffs over Apache Lake and the Superstition Ridgeline are best of the best. Camelback with White Tanks backdrop, tiny Picketpost, huge Pinal Mountain, Mazzie Peak, Sierra Estrella and Ancha, you name it.

11:04am - Left White Mtn. This is where Wally and Dave introduced me to high speed canyoneering. We did Rough Canyon from it's origin aside White Mountain. Heading down we passed through tall oaks with leaves only high up. Like a scene out of Africa it was a manicured forest. I was practically running to keep up with Wally flying the obstacle course at jet speed. First time I recall popping a 5hr descending anything so early in a hike. It helped as I was then able to make out the blurs of logs, vines, creek bends and such at the sweating, scratch, panting pace.

12:00pm - We reached Rough Canyon proper. Luckily the vegetation let up to basic forest canyon with occasional obstacles... as opposed to duck, crawl, jump, spin, pray, slide, gasp, repeat.

12:50pm - Stopped below some ruins. I rested while Dave and Wally checked out the ruins. I didn't bring my camera so eating/resting was more on my mind.

1:48pm - Back in action. Now I was awake and starting to kick. What I didn't realize was this canyon never fricken ends and would do it's best to defeat my energy. The creek was running good. There must have been 50+ 10-40 foot waterfalls to bypass. Fun stuff and beautiful without a doubt, just never seemed to end. Basically Fish Creek on steroids.

4:00pm - Finally reached Rogers Canyon. The temps were more reasonable here on out. We all rejoiced in celebration of an actual trail, albeit spotty until Angel Basin.

5:06pm - Passed Rogers Canyon Ruins while Dave checked 'em out. Wally and I were in get-it-over mode and knew Dave could catch up.

6:57pm - the end, I called the last creek crossing for the twelfth time and was finally right

This probably would have been more enjoyable with more sleep and minus a full Hellsgate Wilderness loop the previous day. Nevertheless an outstanding hike that I'm very grateful to have experienced! Thank you Dave and Wally!

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Couldn't spot the spring, the creek was running well. Most likely from 8 inch snowfall previous week that melted.
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Canyoneering16.10 Miles 3,800 AEG
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This loop was tougher than a R2R hike but really worth it. I was tanked by the end of Rough Canyon but once on a trail I was good to go. I really liked the views from White Mountain and was surprised we found cairns in some remote areas. Joe pretty much summed up the hike and I would agree there would be no easy way to the ruins and they are not visible from below. There was more water in Rough Canyon than my 1st trip down so it was nicer and a little more difficult but very nice. Awesome hike guys.
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