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Aug 18 2020
Heliops
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54 male
 Joined Jan 28 2008
 Phoenix, AZ
P-Bar Lake Trail #326Alpine, AZ
Alpine, AZ
Hiking avatar Aug 18 2020
Heliops
Hiking11.00 Miles 3,202 AEG
Hiking11.00 Miles   6 Hrs      1.83 mph
3,202 ft AEG
 
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1st trip
Did this as a backpack a couple years ago and wanted my wife to see the area. After getting her to commit to a long day hike, off we went. We had a beautiful day for the hike - sunny a little warm. My wife and I agreed afterwards that this is a "B" hike. From P-bar down to the split of 305 and 306, it is really overgrown but there are some nice vistas ...so wear pants or take some shears. From the split, we went straight to the cabin. The cabin is not all that fascinating, but worth doing. The hike along the creek was one of the nicer highlights. Overall a great backpack or long day hike if you are in the area.
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Jul 20 2018
DarthStiller
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51 male
 Joined Jul 05 2006
 Mesa, AZ
Moonshine Park - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
Alpine, AZ
Hiking avatar Jul 20 2018
DarthStiller
Hiking12.40 Miles 3,202 AEG
Hiking12.40 Miles   7 Hrs   1 Min   1.88 mph
3,202 ft AEG      26 Mns Break
 
1st trip
This being the last weekend before my family comes back from Europe, I planned a trip to the White Mountains. This was the first of three hikes. Wally and I left Mesa about 4:45am and arrived at the trailhead a little after 9am. There was a 50% chance of thunderstorms for that weekend, but when we arrived, the skies were clear.

The main comment I have is that the official HAZ route for this hike needs to be retired with that designation. JJ's route should be the official route. This hike is a solid 11 miles, and we turned it into more than that with some missed turnoffs, and a couple mistakes in navigation. We noticed that the official route was off about a mile in after the first trail junction for Grant Creek. We took the right trail, but we weren't on the track. I could tell that we were headed in the right direction eventually, so I thought maybe the trail was re-routed. As the Grant Creek Trail descended, the views started to get really nice.

Later on, Wally and I missed the junction for the Paradise Trail. I had actually seen the marker, but it was nailed to a tree instead of on a post, so I had thought it was just labeling the trail. A few minutes later I decided to check my GPS and saw that we were off route and had missed the turnoff. Right about htat time at 11am, we heard the first rolls of thunder.

Once we were on the Paradise Trail, I noticed again that we weren't on the track. We still were going in the right general direction, but we were pretty far off from the offical route. Looking later, I can see that JJ's route is a way more accurate one for the actual trails out there.

This became a factor for us soon enough because we saw the trail split in two. The one trail headed downhill, and looked like it headed closer to Moonshine Park than the other one, and was closer to the "official" route. This trail dead ended at a wash in a narrow gorge, next to a bog. It also lost us over 100' of elevation. We decided to head back up. Wally was ahead of me and missed the turnoff on our way down and kept going back the wrong way, similar to what he and Joe did back in February on Oracle Ridge. I didn't miss it and quickly realized that he had gone the wrong way because I should have been able to see him along the trail.

After I got to the point where you have to go off trail to get to Moonshine Park, I called Wally and could hear him calling back. I headed towards Moonshine Park on a faint trail that follows the creek until I saw Wally. I told him to make a sharp left at the creek crossing.

Eventually you do have to go off trail to get to Moonshine Park. I had a hard time figuring out where to go and thought we needed to go up another 100'+ to a stand of Ponderosas I could see. To get there we needed to go through some very steep, loose rock and heavy vegetation. Wally was not enthused, but didn't complain. About halfway there, I looked at my GPS again, looked downhill and to the left and saw Moonshine Park. Sorry, Wally. Going back down was marginally easier than going up. We had lunch at the park and headed back.

We missed the turnoff again to the Grant Cabin Shortcut Trail, which was actulaly good because we got to see the remains of the cabin. The hike back up Grant Creek Trail was a bit of a slog, mainly because of the extra energy expended on our side excursions. Towards the top of Grant Creek, a fighter jet flew over the trees, making some of the most hellacious noise I've ever heard. I saw a fighter jet once before at Picacho Peak, but this one was way louder. My reaction was to hit the deck as it was at its loudest and closest.

The last mile the thunder got a little louder and more often, but no close strikes. Got lucky to end the hike without getting rained on, unlike the previous weekend.
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Jul 03 2017
nonot
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 Phoenix, AZ
Foote Creek Trail #76Alpine, AZ
Alpine, AZ
Hiking avatar Jul 03 2017
nonot
Hiking8.00 Miles 800 AEG
Hiking8.00 Miles
800 ft AEG
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1st trip
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76 north to P-bar, then back on 24. 24 is not on HAZ yet so I'll have to find time to add it. In general, 76 and 326 have way too many downed trees. However, 24 is very nice, even though most of it is a dirt road, it winds through a meadow and doesn't suffer from much in terms of treefall to spoil it.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Clell Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Stream was running slowly in area, didn't look for actual spring.

dry Spruce Tank Dry Dry
I couldn't find a tank per se here

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Triple Tank 76-100% full 76-100% full
Where you first cross the highway a stream was flowing nicely.
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Jun 17 2017
friendofThundergod
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38 male
 Joined Jan 21 2013
 AZ
P-Bar Lake Trail #326Alpine, AZ
Alpine, AZ
Hiking avatar Jun 17 2017
friendofThundergod
Hiking3.93 Miles 470 AEG
Hiking3.93 Miles
470 ft AEG
 
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I started at P Bar to do some further exploring of Foot Creek Trail past P-Bar Lake and its intersection with the Grant Creek Trail. I did not go far down Foot Creek, but it seems to be the same story, destruction and deadfall.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max P Bar Lake 1-25% full 1-25% full
A muddy pit, so muddy the dogs could not even reach the water.
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Sep 03 2016
friendofThundergod
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38 male
 Joined Jan 21 2013
 AZ
Grant Creek Trail #74 - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
Alpine, AZ
Backpack avatar Sep 03 2016
friendofThundergod
Backpack15.18 Miles 2,846 AEG
Backpack15.18 Miles2 Days         
2,846 ft AEG
 
1st trip
I made another pilgrimage to the Blue Range this holiday weekend, but with company for a change. I took Jackie and the pack down to the cabin site on Grant Creek for a day of fishing and checking Moonshine Park off the to do list. The fishing was great and Moonshine Park proved to be a worthy side trip.

We hiked in the recently cleared P-Bar Lake Trail to Foot Creek and then down Grant to the cabin site. After about 15 minutes at the site, Jackie said, "Blanco smells something," I said, "I know probably a squirrel." Then moments later a bear went shooting out of the creek bed up the steep slopes of the canyon. Jackie's main goal was to see a bear over the weekend and we checked that off the list after a mere 15 minutes at camp! Although, Jackie was a little confused about the cinnamon color, having only seen a couple black bears in PA and may have double checked google on the way home to make sure it was not a grizzly that we saw. The fishing was great and I may have caught one of the largest Apache Trout most will ever see, but did release in good health. Moonshine Park is in great shape and is a gem of a little spot out there, but the trail is in need of some work. Great over night temps a lazy start the next day, a detour to Paradise Park and trail on the way back. We did not see anyone on the trails the entire time.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Grant Creek Medium flow Medium flow

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max P Bar Lake 1-25% full 1-25% full
closer to 1-5% full...muddy
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Jul 22 2016
haggster
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44 male
 Joined Oct 18 2006
 Farmington, UT
Grant Creek Trail #74 - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
Alpine, AZ
Hiking avatar Jul 22 2016
haggster
Hiking6.15 Miles 1,800 AEG
Hiking6.15 Miles   5 Hrs      1.23 mph
1,800 ft AEG
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Great hike down into Grant Creek. I went in via trail #326 to P-Bar Lake, then down trail #75 and the #306 Grant Cabin Shortcut. The burned sections really opened the views down into the Blue. Once I got down to Grant Cabin, I only fished about a mile towards Moonshine Park before I had to head back.
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Jul 16 2016
hikeaz
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64 male
 Joined May 13 2002
 Tempe, AZ
Upper Grant Creek Trail #65 - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
Alpine, AZ
Hiking avatar Jul 16 2016
hikeaz
Hiking4.00 Miles 1,600 AEG
Hiking4.00 Miles   2 Hrs   45 Mns   1.45 mph
1,600 ft AEG
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Not having been on this 'trail' since before the Wallow burn I was overdue. Well..maybe it should be re-named the 'Boot-camp Trail'. Although ruggedly beautiful, it was a full-body workout climbing up, over and around all of the dead-fall - especially with an overnight backpack. The upside of this rough travel (keeping fisherman impact to a minimum) is that the fish are abundant.
We started down the Steeple Trail 73 toward Grant Creek, originally planning to form a loop using the 65 trail downstream to the 305 trail to return. But after the blistering average down Upper Grant 65(< 2mph) and expecting the same on the 305 we decided to head out the 306, 75 and 76 trails.
306 is well-constructed and mostly undamaged by fire - beautiful. Once on the 75 it was still undamaged at the lower end but the upper reaches were fire-damaged with some dead-fall - although by Trail(?) 65 standards it was clear-sailing. The 76 trail to the west is about 80% fire-damaged but there ARE areas where you can see remnants of its former glory. Workarounds for dead-fall are straightforward.
We were visited by a 20 minute hail-storm and deluge at the end of the hike, offering a welcome coolness to the air.

NOTES: Although labeled here on HAZ as Trail 74, on maps and signage Grant Creek Trail is labeled as 75 - Important as most maps of the Blue list just the trail number, not the name.

One in our group short-cutted down Trail 326 and reported that it was pretty clear sailing and a pretty hike.
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Jul 17 2014
friendofThundergod
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 Joined Jan 21 2013
 AZ
Primitive Blue Range East, AZ 
Primitive Blue Range East, AZ
 
Backpack avatar Jul 17 2014
friendofThundergod
Backpack40.76 Miles 11,153 AEG
Backpack40.76 Miles3 Days         
11,153 ft AEG
 
I made another semi ambitious trek into the Primitive Blue Range. More specifically, I made my first significant indents into the more remote eastern portions. I say "semi ambitious" because I took along Cup and had to scale back some of my ambitions. However, Cup ended up doing just fine, Blanco loved carrying her food and we only had to alter our day two plans slightly in her consideration.

Day 1: I stayed at the Foot Creek Trail head and decided to just make the quick 2-3 mile drive up 191 in the morning to the trail head for P-Bar Lake Trail. Foot Creek TH is further off road has basic restroom facilities and forest service does not mind. The P-Bar Lake Trail is literally just a pull-off on side of road, not conducive to car camping with dogs. Day one miles seemed to go by and pile up fast. Grant Creek Trail is a really solid trail with minimal areas of complete fire devastation. The Paradise Park area is certainly in recovery phase, but looking very promising, with some stubborn ponderosa still alive and healthy guarding the meadows edges and several young 3-5 feet pine starting over among a mixture of fast growing aspen. Grant Creek Trail is a tad bittersweet though, as one can't help but think that eventually 9000 feet will have to be reached again after hitting a trip low of about 5,100 feet above sea level on the first day. Made camp at the intersections of Lanphier and Largo Canyon, great spot, probably pushed cup a little hard, (16.5 miles)threatened several times to storm but no significant rain.

Day 2I wanted to go the Bear Mountain look out, but Cup was a little beat after a tough day one, so I decided to skip Bear Mountain and return to the Blue River via Telephone Ridge Trail and Sawmill Trail. Was nice to finally get some data for this area of Primitive Blue Range. It will come in handy when I make my next trek there, hopefully to finally include a little dual state action and a quick cross over into New Mexico. Something I think Blanco and I could have knocked out with about a 55 to 60 mile trip, oh and maybe another day. Day two camp superb, had Cup off trail very early in afternoon, read some, prepped camp, cooled off in creek.

Day 3: A pretty standard hike out, however, did make a slight detour back down to Grant Creek via Paradise Trail #74. I am just trying to accumulate as much info for this area as I can, and I had not did that trail yet. In terms of miles, small detour, however, certainly added some more AEG to hike that I probably did not need and Cup almost certainly did not want. But the trail proved to be great! A real slice of "paradise" in spots, a tad tough to pick up near creek, some dead fall and erosion have really taken their toll on this trail's once much deeper cuts along the steep hillside leading down into Grant Creek. For a good laugh see my GPS Track where I turned around to go get my nice 16 dollar map, then stopped just under two tenths of a mile to return to pack where I was now sure I put it. Nope not in pack went back for map again, found about 100-200 feet further up trail from when I turned around first time. I had set map down to move a log in trail, never picked back up, but certainly not to proud to turn around twice in an attempt to recoup a $16.95 map.

Final Notes: AEG is probably a tad inflated, however, hard to hide from AEG in Primitive Blue Range easy to rack up out there and while it may look high, it is probably not as off as some might think.

Had to do more road walking then what I generaly like, but spirits were brightened by seeing a random white van with no windows driving around remote back roads with a personalized plate reading AMBRLRT, my thoughts exactly! At least he comes about it honestly.

Product Review I brought out my new Big Agnes Fly Creek 2 Platinum. Two thumbs up, was initially worried about durability with dogs, however, had both in tent by second night, no issues. So light and compact, found myself stopping to make sure I packed tent! I was not able to field test it in a good storm, but nice results for steady lighter drizzles.
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Apr 12 2012
JuanJaimeiii
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53 male
 Joined Jan 30 2011
 Chandler, AZ
Moonshine Park - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
Alpine, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 12 2012
JuanJaimeiii
Hiking11.30 Miles 2,743 AEG
Hiking11.30 Miles   4 Hrs   1 Min   2.81 mph
2,743 ft AEG
 
Hiked this one a week ago but the last part of it was in the dark. I also didn't have time last week to make it out to "Moonshine Park". I figured given the name of the hike and all I had better go back and complete the mission. I also wanted to see where I got off track last week on the return. From the Grant Cabin going North on the Grant Cabin Shortcut Trail I got off course a little. I figured it happened because it was dark and that today it wouldn't happen again. Well guess what, it did. Once back on track I decided to go the opposite direction (counter clockwise) in the area where I got off track and try and connect the dots. Ah ha! I figured out the problem. The trail isn't there anymore! There is a short section (maybe a tenth of a mile) that got washed out in a large rock slide. Well at least I know now. Either way you can't really get lost here because you are following a drainage up.

Also worth noting is that there isn't an actual trail for the last couple hundred yards to Moonshine Park. Scott Warren mentions this in his book as well. Once at the end of the trail just turn right and head for the base of the tall mountain in the distance. It is a big open meadow.

Almost all the snow had melted in the last week and I only saw one deer. No other wildlife this trip.
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 Chandler, AZ
Moonshine Park - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
Alpine, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 04 2012
JuanJaimeiii
Hiking10.30 Miles 2,187 AEG
Hiking10.30 Miles   4 Hrs   29 Mns   2.30 mph
2,187 ft AEG
 
Took the long but scenic route from Phoenix to Hannagan Meadow area. I went through Safford and then went up 191. Normally I come in from the North and go South on 191. This added about an hour to my trip but wow what an amazing drive! From Clifton/Morenci to Hannagan Meadow is just beautiful. The mines at Clifton and Morenci were HUGE! I'm guessing there are several great hikes in this area.

As for the hike itself it was a bit tricky. Starting late, the area being burned in several spots, and signs down or missing all together, the map in the book not being accurate, all made for an interesting hike. Don't get me wrong I got 'er done and really enjoyed it. In fact I enjoyed it so much that I plan on doing it again sometime before the end of the month so I can see the whole thing in the daylight.

There were ducks swimming on P Bar Lake and the frogs could be heard for half a mile. Down in the area of Paradise Park I saw about 20 deer grazing off in the distance. The Grant Cabin remains are pretty cool and I would like to spend a little more time in that area on the next trip. This time I was just simply running out of light. I had my head lamp but not knowing the area and the trail being a little sketchy in some areas made me want to keep moving.

What I thought was really cool was to hear the birds chirping, see the ducks swimming, the deer grazing and see the clear skies. Less than a year ago this area was right in the heart of the largest wild fire in Arizona's history! Yes it has much to recover but not all was lost!
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