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Apr 10 2021
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It has been a few years since we hiked Pine Mountain near Four Peaks. Of course, the Bush fire ravaged the area so we were really curious to see what survived. We could have summited this from the Ballantine TH side but feeling less energetic we hiked it from the ridgeline and drove in from El Oso Tonto Basin side.

With the drive we didn’t start the hike until about 945 but it’s short hike so we had plenty of time. That being said the trail conditions were not very good. The trail pre fire was borderline but as we found out after the fire non existent for most of the hike. Before heading for Pine Mtn we made a side trip to Rock Tank which was spared a little from the fire. Plenty of water in the rocky creek bottom and nice to see the small pools with happy frogs croaking away. After a break we headed for the summit.

There is a nice stand of ponderosa pines on the north slope of Pine Mtn that survived but it was very patchy at best. Once on the summit we enjoyed a good lunch with views of Four Peaks across the way. Lunch break done we headed back down to the vehicle. Depressing to see so much of this area burnt to a crisp but I tried to just enjoy the parts that didn’t :)
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This hike has been on my radar screen for a while, so I decided to check it out.

The ride in on FR 143 was much better than I thought that it would be. An SUV could get to the Cline TH I believe.

I had always taken El Oso Rd off of 188 when going to Four Peaks, thinking that FR 143 would be a terrible drive. Unless the drive on 143 gets a lot worse past the Cline TH, I'll start taking FR 143 to Four Peaks.

The first 1.5 miles on the Ballantine Trail was heavily burned in the Bush Fire, but at least there was no overgrowth on the trail. After about 1.5 miles, the trail was unaffected by the fire. Unfortunately the trail hasn't been maintained in some time, so the trail was a bit brushy until I turned off to head up to Pine Mountain. The route up to the summit had also been burned, so there was no bushwhacking to deal with on the ascent.

At the summit I located the benchmark, one reference mark, and saw some height-of-light remnants. It was getting a bit windy at the summit and it was getting a late in the afternoon, so I did not spend much time looking for the other reference mark. The azimuth mark was south of the summit in a brushy unburned area, so I did not make an attempt to find it either.

This hike won't make my top ten list, but I enjoyed exploring an area that I had not been to before.
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Aug 05 2017
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Triple nasty hike... humidity was atrocious, the trail up to the saddle was overgrown/practically non-existent in many areas, and worst of all, my camera gave up the ghost after one photo. ](*,)

I've had the Canon SX 60 HS for 32 months, racking up 12,122 photos/~200 videos, it's been halfway around the world, experienced temps from below zero to 120 and has been a faithful and constant companion... until now.

No drama like getting dunked (which led to the demise of 3 previous cameras) or being dropped, all I did was I take one photo, put it back in its case and take it out 5 minutes later and it would not turn on. Swapping batteries didn't help.

So... I guess I'm in the market for another camera. I liked the 65X optical zoom, but would have liked it just a tad bit smaller as well as built-in geocoding. Can't have everything, now can we?
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The road to the trailhead is pretty beat up at the moment. Lots of rocks and washboards. I would definitely not drive this in a passenger car. Pretty similar report as others. If I did this again I would definitely wear long pants. Way overgrown with lots of thorny things to cut up your legs. I only made it up a mile or so, but am incredibly grateful for the gpx files that were uploaded to the site. Without that data I would have never been able to follow this trail as I found myself numerous times off trail and looking at my ihike app on my phone to try to get back on trail. The trail is obviously no longer maintained as there is no signage anywhere letting you know a trail exists and is so overgrown I found myself gingerly making my way through the brush as I was worried about rattlesnakes. I've seen a lot of rattlesnakes in the four peaks area. Enjoy!!!

Addendum - Tried this again a few weeks later and this time made it to mountain spring which even with the lack of rain that we've had moisture. I was able to dig out a hole that filled with water and my dog was able to get a drink. However, from here the trail seemed like it just disappeared. I had my gps which had me on route, but I could not see any sort of discernible path. I was running out of time so didn't continue, but some day I'll be back and finally make it to the pines.
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The Cline cabin, at the Cline trailhead, is gone. Rangers say vandals burned it down in the 1980s. (I have photos of the cabin circa 1972 & 1973 for reference).

To hike to the top of Pine Mountain from Cline TH, you'll initially hike on Ballantine Trail (AKA Pine Mountain Trail on some TOPO maps). The first 100 ft of the trail is hidden in deep grass and bushes. The initial cairns are gone. The sign, "Ballantine Trail #283" is gone, with only the sign post remaining.

Finding the trail:
From parking go about 50 Ft east of the visible concrete water trough, find that sign-less post, and travel northeast a short distance and you'll see the trail.
Once down the trail about a mile or so, Pine Mountain will be directly to your left.

My route to the top.
My planning included reading the previous HAZ triplogs, (there are only 5). I deduced the following:
I stayed on the actual trail until reaching the subtle saddle in a pine forest (2.6 miles), then I went off trail, making a gradual curve around to the left, a full 145 degrees to the left, and bushwhacked to the top through the pine forest.
That's a huge turn-back, but that track was smooth sailing. Once off trail, my only obstacles were some fallen and charred pine trees. I suggest the same track down also.
If you turn left to go up Pine Mountain earlier, you'll fight through thick, chest high brush most of the way up.

I went up Pine Mountain to find four benchmark disks, all installed in 1946. Three were easy finds and one, the Azimuth Mark for CAMP Triangulation Station, was a nice challenge.
By the way, I found the Azimuth Mark - all by myself. :) (Heck - I was hiking solo - but more on the Azimuth mark below).

I normally try to use the same route the surveyors used, to get to the top of a benchmark mountain. This time, it would be impossible, unless I (paraphrased from datasheet)..... "Started from the DOS S Ranch with 6 horses and used the ranch owner as a guide, and rode for a 6 hour pack." YIKES!

With the rains we've had lately (and snow up there), much of the upper trail to the saddle had alot of water running down the middle of the trail. The trail was doubling as a "babbling brook", and it was a challenge not to slip in the mud. Other than that, it's a good trail, with cairns to guide your way.
Two thirds up the trail, you leave the desert and enter a pine forest. COOL !
Also cool - once off trail, and for long stretches, I was plowing through 6 to 10 inches of deep snow in the pine forest. My desert hiking boots didn't know what to think.

What's not cool - due to a 2005 fire, the whole pine forest you hike through has fire damage. New shrub and brush growth is coming back nicely, but the trees will take alot longer. Watch where you step or you'll come back with black soot all over you.

The top of Pine Mountain is a concave plateau - not a pointy peak. Very few tall pine trees live on that concave plateau top. CAMP Triangulation Station and reference marks #1 and #2, are at the highest point, on huge boulders, on the north end of the plateau. I hiked south, through that fire damaged plateau, almost to its end, in search of the Azimuth Mark. The Azimuth Mark was also installed on a huge boulder.

Earlier, I stated I found the Azimuth Mark, "all by myself", and I did - by using the 1946 surveyor's datasheet information etc.
However, I had a guaranteed, ironclad backup plan to locate the azimuth mark. If for some reason I couldn't locate it using my normal means, I'd use the LAT/LONG that Southpawaz alluded to (on another website). He had already found CAMP Azimuth Mark last year, and gave the LAT/LONG in his find. Thanks for my backup, Southpawaz. :) As it turned out I didn't need it, but a backup plan is always good.

The hike was a success and hiking through a pine forest and snow, that close to the desert was a treat, even though Smokey The Bear can't be happy about all the fire damage.
After many photos on what turned out to be a very cloudy day, I hiked back down using the same track. There was even more water going down the trail than earlier in the day. That snow is melting fast.
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Dec 02 2012
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The trail is pretty overgrown - it always was. I went up to the saddle and followed elk trails to the summit. I didn't realize the first mile+ and the summit got burned since I was last here. Not sure when that happened or which fire? It looks like it was a few years ago. Once past the burn the trail in the pines and going up to the summit is nice and the views are good but was pretty hazy today and there was thick haze over the valley.

Update: It was the Edge Complex fire 2005
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I was planning on going to Tucson and hiking Oracle Ridge with UphillJunkie today. However, when I heard it snowed 8" in the last two days up on Lemmon I quickly scrapped that idea. Hiking up to the Pine Mountain Summit from the Cline TH off of Four Peaks road sounded like a great back up plan.

I found the trailhead and trail no problem. It starts right where the Cline cabin once stood. I read somewhere that it burned in the 80's from arson. :( Anyway off I went and the trail is a bit rough and hard to follow at times. This is one you need to keep a close eye on or it would be easy to get off trail due to overgrowth. As I made my way further up the trail, the terrain changed to a Pine forest which was super cool. It was amazing how one minute it is desert and then bam pine cover. My GPS watch doesn't have a map nor can you input coordinates so at around the 2.75 mile mark I turned and headed up towards the high points. I hit a couple high boulder outcroppings before reaching the actual summit. Sure enough just like GPS Joe and Topohiker said the 3 survey markers where there. Views were superb in all directions!

On the way out I made the mistake of not following my path in. I figured I would short cut it to the trail but I didn't find it. So, I just started heading back in the direction I came but it is a manzanita nightmare in many places. This slowed my roll but I never lost sense of direction. I just didn't know if the trail was above or below me. I stayed high in hopes of seeing a cairn or even the trail. Eventually I was able to see one of the old water troughs off in the distance down below. I aimed for it and interestingly enough on the way down I ran into some bamboo or at least something similar to bamboo. This seemed really strange and then I heard water. I stopped and listened closely and down by my feet was a little seep. There was a spring on the side of the hill. Further investigation revealed an old pipe in the ground as well as some cement work that looked about a hundred years old. Kinda cool really!

So back down to the trail by the trough and I was on my way. If you want to go to the geodic markers you can use GPS Joes coordinates or follow my track in. Just don't follow it out! You will look like pigpen from the bushwhack and it will take 3 times as long. ;)
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Pine Mountain Four Peaks Wilderness I seriously can't get enough of this place. I first came here on 10/27 and have visited this place a few times since. I like to come up here on the weekdays when I have time since there are so many morons coming up here on weekends now. Plus after reading the recent trip-log with the kids rolling their Jeep makes me really wonder. The first few miles of Four Peaks Road looks like such a mess and I'm wondering long it will be before they like shut this area down. I have been frequently driving on this road since March 2010 and have seen it get worse with retards driving on it and littering.

Got to Cline Trail-head around noonish, the first 3/4 miles or so is all bushwack and basically just follow the old barbed wire fence and use the tall freestanding rock formation as a guide. However, there is pink markers in the small trees. Then you start going uphill, little more rocky trail gets better. I went here two days in a row and the next day I still had trouble finding the path in areas lol! I did not have any GPS with me anytime I have done this so after the second ravine its really starts a climb and then further up its gets to be trees and lots of granite trails and very pretty. The smell of the trees is wonderful as well as views. I'm assuming I was near the top (from reading other triplogs) because I reached a couple campsites, but did not make it to the actual GPS marker on that is listed on the other trip-logs as of yet. I like the 2000ft grind (4200-6200ish) and just kind of hike around up top and then go back down.

There is definitely wild animals up here and what sounded like a wild horse either got anally raped or fell hard or something. I could hear it screaming very loud for at least 1/2 mile probably more. Then I get to an area off trail in kind of a wash in a valley (very pretty) and see what in fact look like to be three wild horses. They must have notice me and ran away still heard their friend screaming in the distance and said "I better let nature take its course and get the hell out of here before I join dood." Also, near the top there is a part on the trail with what seems to be a natural spring. I guess if you were screaming like that horse and possibly dying you "could" live off this water til help arrives. Would love to do this whole Ballantine Trail in the near future but with daylight getting shorter I really dunno about that. Camping could be fun up there too for sure!
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This was fun hike. I made to the Pine mountain peak and found all three markers thanks to GPS Joe's waypoint. I was standing right at them, but I didn't see them for a couple of minutes. There's a circle of rocks around the main marker. Also by the main marker is a downed 4 foot stake with a piece of wire going into a stake. The views of four peaks, ridgeline and Weavers needle were great. I'm surprised that this not a more popular trail. Getting to the trail was easy. I need to clarify the driving directions though. You take the fourpeaks FR 143 for 11 miles to FR143A. Then take FR143A until it ends. I had no problem finding the trail or staying on it. I saw the trail as soon as I parked. When you park at the trail head, look directly East and you'll see an old stump with a cairn on it. From the stump you can see the trail sign about 15 feet down the trail. The trail is worn down and well cairned. One mistake not make it start hiking from the old spring box. The trail is about 20 feet to the right of the old spring box.

As I was driving out, I saw a girl stuck in her non-4x4 truck. She couldn't make it up a steeper section and tried to turn around, but got stuck near a drop off(with loose dirt). I got out and dug out the spinning tire. Then she freed the back tire and got the front one stuck. Then a big Chevy 4x4 came up with toes straps and pulled her out.
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Finally got to Pine Mountain peak using the route downloaded by Joe Bartels which is great except the end point is about 200 feet or so from the official peak. There are 3 bronze geodetic markers there labeled Camp (the station marker) and Camp 1 and Camp 2 nearby and I don't know why there are 3 markers. All were put there in 1946. The station marker is at
N33 44.946 and W111 24.072. The others are nearby.

Great views all around epecially of 4 Peaks.
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I did this as a lasso loop. The trail starts off in solid waist high grass from all the recent rain. I didn't hike the first part of the trail going up cause I couldn't find it. After about ten minutes of cluelessness I whipped out the GPS and got headed in the right direction.

Several water troughs are passed on the way up. Once past the tall grass the trail is more defined and easy to follow. Though it still appears to be rarely if ever used.

From a distance the fire appears to have wiped out the entire mountain. Good news being there's a good swath of mostly healthy forest in the upper reaches. I couldn't believe it and figure this is what the Four Peaks area looked like before 1996. The saddle isn't a high point thing where you can look down both sides. It sure was nice to take a break in pine shade!!!

The jaunt to the peak is a bushwhack, good news being it's pine shade for the most part. I found a nice big boulder to take a nap on. I woke up to something running through the woods but never saw it. Considering I couldn't run through the manzanita chocked forest I figure it was either really small or really friggen big...lol

The top is scorched and it's quickly washing away too. The views from the top are fair at best cause it's really more of a mesa on top and you can't see anything. I continued on to a lower point that had some sweet views. Not wanting to return through the manzanita I had this brilliant idea to head straight down. Maybe a quarter mile down I fell about ten feet. It pretty much winded me and I decided to take a ravine down instead. As with most ravines the going is slow as can be. Even though I started off with a 50 SPF sunscreen I was out much longer than anticipated and got scorched. By the time I ended the hike I looked like a coal miner from the soot of the recent fire. It was a GREAT hike!
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This Pine Mountain is not the one east of Cordes Jct, but instead the one near Four Peaks. Access is from the Cline Cabin trailhead off the Four Peaks road about 11 miles from highway 87. One need to go on the Ballentine trail for about 3 miles to where there is a small pass. From here, head cross country through the pine forest heading uphill to the southwest. Climb a few hundred feet in elevation and perhaps a mile and look for large piles of rocks. Climb one! You are propably at the high point of Pine mountain or close to it. Return the same way. This round trip climbs 2700 feet and is about1 miles round trip. This trip took us three hours to do round trip. Instead of climbing the mountain, one can continue down the Ballentine trail to end at highway 87 some 7 miles distant. To return, go back the same way or one can take the Picadilla trail back to the Four Peaks road and then to the Cline trailhead. This is about a 25 mile loup. A good spring trip that took me 5 hours.
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This was pretty overgrown back then and it took us a while to find the narrow brushy trail but it gets better the higher you go. The summit area is very pleasant.
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Out and back to the summit. Trail is overgrown near the Cline TH.
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