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Oct 15 2016
knmurphy
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39 male
 Joined Aug 03 2008
 Chandler, AZ
Winter Cabin Loop, AZ 
Winter Cabin Loop, AZ
 
Backpack avatar Oct 15 2016
knmurphy
Backpack18.00 Miles 3,500 AEG
Backpack18.00 Miles
3,500 ft AEG
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1st trip
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Jun 11 2016
joebartels
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 Joined Nov 20 1996
 Phoenix, AZ
Dorsey - Kelsey - Sycamore -Winter Cabin Loop, AZ 
Dorsey - Kelsey - Sycamore -Winter Cabin Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jun 11 2016
joebartels
Hiking17.54 Miles 3,875 AEG
Hiking17.54 Miles   10 Hrs   35 Mns   1.93 mph
3,875 ft AEG   1 Hour   30 Mns Break14 LBS Pack
 
1st trip
This would be better in April or October. We did a reverse of Bruce's 2012-09-15 loop. No mosquito or wasp issues this round.

The area got around an inch of rain overnight. BiFrost did a fine job sliding his 4Runner through the mud all the way to the Dorsey Trailhead.

Dorsey, Kelsey & Little LO is a fantastic hike down to Sycamore Canyon. An out-n-back would be prime for most.

Not sure how I forgot about 5.6 miles of boulder hopping. Sycamore is cool but 0.6 would suffice. Sprained my ankle so I may be negative biased.

Turning out of the creek and up Winter Cabin Trail #70 we met two canyoneers from Ohio. The little side trip to Ott Lake was a winner for the second time. No field of wildflowers, just a sea of foxtails. Which is the only place I like to see them, in the middle of a lake bed!

Albeit reasonable for myself this was borderline too hot for Bruce. Luckily occasional clouds and breezes made it bearable.

The pines kick in just before Winter Cabin then on up. Always nice to hike in the tall pines.

Shockingly the roads were mostly dry heading out.
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Named place
Babes Hole Spring Ott Lake

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it would help if I looked...

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looked fine

dry Ott Lake Dry Dry
just a sea of foxtails
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Jun 11 2016
BiFrost
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 Phoenix, AZ
Dorsey - Kelsey - Sycamore -Winter Cabin Loop, AZ 
Dorsey - Kelsey - Sycamore -Winter Cabin Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jun 11 2016
BiFrost
Hiking17.54 Miles 3,875 AEG
Hiking17.54 Miles   10 Hrs   35 Mns   1.93 mph
3,875 ft AEG   1 Hour   30 Mns Break
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1st trip
Lots of rain the night before so we pretty much slid into the trail head at Dorsey. Temps were cool but humid at the start. Really enjoyed the hike down into Sycamore Canyon through some nice pines and passed by Dorsey, Babes Hole and Geronimo springs which all had good water. Also some great camp spots in the area if doing an overnight.

As mentioned in Bruce and Joe's triplog once we got into Sycamore Canyon the party was over. Bouldering de jour was the main course but it is a scenic canyon despite the terrain. We ran into some canyoneers from Ohio where we exited Sycamore Canyon up Winter Cabin trail and the only people we saw all day.

Eventually made it to Winter Cabin and filtered some water at Winter Cabin Spring before moving on to Ott Lake. No water in Ott Lake but there were some cool wispy foxtails in the basin. Then the last 4 miles back to Dorsey TH to close out the loop.
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Geronimo Spring

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flow in drainage just below the spring

dry Colcord Canyon Dry Dry
didn't see any sign of water at the confluence or up canyon

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decent flow out of base of spring

dry Ott Lake Dry Dry
could have water in spring or winter

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several decent pools at spring source
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May 17 2014
outdoor_lover
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 Joined Aug 19 2011
 Scottsdale, AZ
Little LO Spring CanyonFlagstaff, AZ
Flagstaff, AZ
Canyoneering avatar May 17 2014
outdoor_lover
Canyoneering6.20 Miles 1,800 AEG
Canyoneering6.20 Miles
1,800 ft AEG
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1st trip
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Ken and Scott picked a good one!

After Ken and Jake arrived in the Morning, we set off...It wasn't long before we started the Steep Descent into the Side Drainage that would take us eventually to the Main Event...I can honestly say that it's been awhile since I've done this much extensive Boulder Hopping. 1 1/2 Miles felt like 3 before it was all said, done, and we got to the Main Canyon. There was no easy Slick Rock Walking through here and there was no getting out of the "Creek" either. Solid small, medium and large Boulders the whole way and let's throw in some Logs and Log Jams just for Kicks...I actually had to work pretty hard to get my Leg and Foot back at one point...:sweat: I slowed the Team down quite a bit as I no longer feel like the Knees can take jumping down onto Rocks like they can, but the guys were more than patient... It didn't help that I forgot the Ibuprofen, but Jake probably really saved me on that one... : app :

We get to the Main Canyon and down in we go...A couple of us decided on Wetsuits, but it could have gone either way as the Water was really low and infrequent. It was also Sunny and plenty Warm out. Almost immediately, we are at the Keeper and it was definitely in Keeper Mode on this Day. Partner Assist was a Must on this one and everyone did great! We went right from that one into another Semi Keeper. I made Friends with a Frog in that one, but opted not to Kiss him...These Pools were definitely "Stewy".... :sweat: Ken and Jake were able to muscle out of that Pothole, so we were good there too... :y:

We continued on down the Canyon, Downclimbing most of it, which was fun. My Skills in that Department are getting better, and I am more comfortable with some of it, but still needed some assistance in a few Spots. Hopefully, I'll keep getting better at it. This was definitely a good Canyon to "practice" in...

We opted to do 3 Rappels. One into the Keeper, another one that we rigged a Handline for, but that I opted to use my Device on and then one using a Dead Man's Anchor that we rebuilt. Just a great Variety of Skills utilized on this Day, it was awesome!

The Canyon was really nice. It had Narrows, then it widened out and then it would Narrow up again. Even with the Potholes, Downclimbing and more Boulder Hopping, I don't think it took nearly as long to do the 1+ Miles of Canyon as it did the Approach... :sweat:

And then, we were at the Exit. I knew when I started up the Trail, that I was really running out of Gas. It was steep and I was extraordinarily slow. I think the Boulder Hopping took a lot out of my Legs and I was also struggling from the Elevation. I kept insisting to the Guys to go on ahead, but some of them didn't listen very well...Ken knows me well enough to know I'll be fine, but Jake insisted keeping me company to Babe's Hole Spring and then Scott took over from there... :A1: Luckily between the Two Springs, there is some respite before the next and final Uphill. :sweat: By the Time I hit the TH at the Top, I was pretty done. I had to rest even walking the Road 1/2 Mile back to Camp... :| It probably didn't help that halfway up the last Hill my Leg Muscles started Spasming... :sweat:

But with more than a little help from my Friends, I got it done and it was worth every Mile. I actually recovered quite nicely after Resting in Camp awhile, but I still felt a little Fatigued the next morning. The Soreness didn't really settle in until the Drive Home... :sweat:

Thanks for the Invite Scott and Ken! Once again, I am grateful to have such good, patient, understanding Friends that are willing to take me to these Places...Without them, these Places would only exist in my Mind through the Photos of others...You. Guys. Rock. Jake, welcome to the Party, you fit right in and were awesome as well! : app :

I would like to do this Canyon again sometime...I would like to do it better. I think this Canyon was great, but I think it would be awesome with some good running Water through it. Until next time.... 8)
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Wildflowers Observation Isolated

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No Trickle, just Pools and unless you absolutely had to have it, I would hold off for the Springs rather than Filtering any of those Pools, lol Swimming could be avoided in all of the Pools, but there is Mandatory Wading...The Two Main Potholes were in Keeper and Semi-Keeper Mode in that order.

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Sep 15 2012
joebartels
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 Phoenix, AZ
Hog133/70 - LO6 - Kelsey3 - Dorsey7 Loop, AZ 
Hog133/70 - LO6 - Kelsey3 - Dorsey7 Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Sep 15 2012
joebartels
Hiking17.40 Miles 3,150 AEG
Hiking17.40 Miles   9 Hrs   52 Mns   2.17 mph
3,150 ft AEG   1 Hour   50 Mns Break12 LBS Pack
 
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1st trip
From the Dorsey Springs TH we headed down Hog Hill Trail #133. The air was cool, crisp and most enjoyable through thick pine trees.

After a short visit to Winter Springs Cabin we headed down Winter Cabin Trail #70. On route we stopped by Ott Lake. This large meadow is a very picturesque. Abundant wildflowers filled the dry lake. Mosquitoes tried to devour us alive. Denny entertained with a Kachina Rain Dance type circle stomp upon hearing the rattle of a snake.

Back on trail #70. The descent turns a bit rocky and slightly scratchy down to Sycamore. It felt warmer with each step. It really seemed to drag on making this stretch my least favorite for the day.

We boulder hopped about 5.6 miles up Sycamore Canyon. Which is very similar to the middle section of Woods Canyon most curse off. We lunched near the halfway point. Mosquitoes and wasps were out in force.

Just as we were all excited to exit the canyon and be on a real trail I pounded my inner right calf with a bad step. Not even a scratch, just some blunt force rock pounding. The pain was unreal. About five minutes later it was swelling up enough to concern me. We had a bit of difficulty finding Little LO Trail #6 due to a fallen tree at the first switchback up.

Back on track Little LO ascends quick and steep. Luckily there wasn't much descending as that shot shrieking pain with each step. Albeit steep the trail is short. Next we headed over on Kelsey Springs Trail #3. A little unnerving as it was angling back down...lol The pines give way to live oak. It reminded me of the second mile along Boynton Canyon Trail.

The pines pick back up approaching Dorsey Spring Trail #7. Several of us enjoyed the clean water flowing out of the black tubing. Many thanks to all the kind souls that maintain springs in the back country for all to enjoy.

I enjoyed the hike up Dorsey through the pines. Yet I was glad this one was over due to my leg. The swelling is almost gone now a day later. It's only a little tender. Probably a big ol' yellow bruise will surface. I'm just grateful as the shrieking pain was concerning me.

Pines
Pines are thick on Hog Trail #133, Little LO #6 and Dorsey Trail #7. Not sure on the fire history for the area. Most of the fallen and decaying trees are larger than anything standing. I fire might wipe out this entire area since the pines are skinny and dense. Jim Hodlofski would be better at making that type of assessment.

Synopsis
It was good to hike with Wally after a little hiatus. The hike in general just seemed okay compared to our Casner-Taylor-Dutch-Sycamore-Dogie Loop loop on April 7th. A day later now it is growing on me, sometimes hikes just have a way of playing with your mind. Bruce put together another winner. Check out his triplog for a thorough report on all the springs!
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Sep 15 2012
The_Eagle
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 Far NE Phoenix,
Sycamore Canyon Loop-North, AZ 
Sycamore Canyon Loop-North, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Sep 15 2012
The_Eagle
Hiking17.47 Miles 3,525 AEG
Hiking17.47 Miles   9 Hrs   51 Mns   2.08 mph
3,525 ft AEG   1 Hour   28 Mns Break16 LBS Pack
 
1st trip
We tried to do this hike last month, but were turned away because of muddy roads. On this return trip Wally decided to join Denny, Joe and myself. The Trip to this trailhead includes 22 miles of dirt off of I-17. If you like washboard roads, then FR 231 is for you.

It was a beautiful crisp clear morning with The temps on my Truck Thermometer getting down as low as 40 degrees on the way to the TH. We did a clockwise loop

- Hog Hill #133
Pleasant grade down to Winter Cabin

- Winter Cabin #70 (With a stop at Ott Lake)
This is a pretty area.
Interesting Cabin.
Spring is full of water.
Ott Lake is Dry.
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Got to personally witness the Denny Rattlesnake dance. Hope to get it on camera some day.
It goes something like this:
"A high Pitched/Scared hoot, with both hands in the air, hopping on one foot in circles.
This trail gets steep dropping into Sycamore Canyon Basin.

- Sycamore Canyon Basin
There are some pretty views in the canyon, but I tired of the 5.8 mile rock hop.
Two more Blacktail Rattlers found down here

- Little Lookout Trail #6
Fill up at Geronimo Spring. The water is great.
Short Steep trail that climbs out of Sycamore Canyon. If you are trying to find this trail from down below, the trail head is easy to miss as it is blocked by a fallen tree.

- Kelsey Trail #3
Traverses across to Kelsey Spring

- Dorsey Spring Trail #7
The final push up to complete the loop

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Clean Cool water coming from plastic Pipe.....

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Clear cold water. Tastes great.

dry Little L O Spring Canyon Dry Dry
Looked for a bit, never found this one.

dry Ott Lake Dry Dry
Dry

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A few good size pools of clear water. There is a flow.
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