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Verde Rim Trail #161 - 14 members in 30 triplogs have rated this an average 3.6 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Jan 03 2021
AugustWest
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47 male
 Joined Mar 16 2019
 Phoenix
Pine Mountain Loop, AZ 
Pine Mountain Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jan 03 2021
AugustWest
Hiking13.67 Miles 2,738 AEG
Hiking13.67 Miles   5 Hrs   59 Mns   2.53 mph
2,738 ft AEG      35 Mns Break
 
1st trip
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Got this idea from a loop that @The_Eagle did about 10 years ago. Arrived at the Salt Flat TH at about 10 AM. It was in the low 30's. There was just one other truck parked with no one present.

Started out on Nelson Trail for just a bit. When I planned this out my thought was to go clockwise, but ended up changing my mind at the last minute. That may in fact be the better way to go in retrospect.

Just before the Pine Flat Trail takes off into Beehouse Canyon I ran into a young couple who were camping practically right on the trail. About 20 feet past their campsite was the entrance to the Canyon. Beehouse falls nicely at the midpoint of the best and worst of today.

Pine Flat meets Shortcut Trail at the top of a rocky mesa and traverses this mesa for a relatively uninteresting 5 miles or so. This is rocky, open ground with some manzanita, juniper and the occasional pine tree to mix things up. Not gonna lie in saying that Shortcut was pretty boring.

The entire world changes at about 6.5 miles entering the upper sections of the southern part of Verde Rim Trail. In my humble opinion these are some of the most fantastic views that I have seen in Arizona. Better than Pine Mountain summit. I really don't know what to say other than that all our favorite ranges were front and center. No Grand Canyon, but pretty much everything else. These views along this portion of the trail were the first unobstructed views of the day and really took my breath away.

From here the Verde Rim Trail that leads to Pine Mountain was steep and brushy. I didn't have too many issues, but i think downhill might be a better choice for this section. Pine Mountain summit is flat and there was a soft spot to rest for a couple of minutes. The western views are obstructed from this vantage point by another mountain and young oak.

Willow Creek Trail is about a third burned but the sections that aren't burned are pretty glades of predominantly pine forest.

Everything I saw today was dry except at the lower elevations where Nelson Spring is running incredibly strong.

Finally a word on the roads in. CR 171 is decent with some washboarding. Things get worse on Dugas, but still Subaru-able. Once you turn onto FR 68 the road is just a rocky, tough Arizona forest service road. High Clearance absolutely, but how high? My truck did fine...no worries and I didn't need 4WD once.

Things were special enough in this wilderness to start working towards a multi day backpack incorporating Cedar Bench Wilderness which is connected at its southern end by FR 68G which to the south terminates close to the northern end of the Verde Rim Trail in the Pine Mountain Wilderness.
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May 13 2020
joebartels
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Nelson - Willow - Verde Rim - Pine Flat Loop, AZ 
Nelson - Willow - Verde Rim - Pine Flat Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar May 13 2020
joebartels
Hiking15.75 Miles 2,671 AEG
Hiking15.75 Miles   6 Hrs      2.68 mph
2,671 ft AEG      7 Mns Break
 
1st trip
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March through the Pines
Nelson up to then through Willow had us on the rim in cool morning temps. Those rim views always get your attention. That was the break.

Rim
Verde Rim Trail #161 was dandy. Realized this area features a lot of Arizona White Oak. Somewhere after Bishop back on Nelson brush encroaches. Then it hurts and route finding with frequent GPS verification is the game. We lucked out on the direction of travel, descending this crap is always easier. Most of the hell is chaparral. There is mean looking catclaw but you can typically favor pushing aside the live oak, sugar sumac, and mahogany.

Pine Flat Trail #165
Turning back to home on #165 it's still a little brushy. The worst scratchy stuff is over. The gamble oak leaves looked spanking neon green new and were velvet soft. We toured Sycamore proper, then an unnecessary pasture.

Flavored sugar pellets from taco-bandito hit the spot. Beehouse Canyon was stunning. The final strides on Nelson high banking Sycamore Creek are quintessential hiking.

Road
Wide-eyed alert in & out since others often ask. A little high clearance 2WD if dry. Stay out if muddy or forecasted rain. Good tires a bonus. A twenty-yard rocky stretch might pop tender street tires if you don't slowly crawl it. I wouldn't hesitate.

Synopsis
Great to babble with JJ. Getting back into hiking rhythm he opted low-key out of three suggestions. Nothing like taking a router to a sprint course, 0.5mph quicker than my recent hikes... lol My lackadaisical approach to planning put us through a cow pasture. The scratches will heal, hope my next hike here won't be through that brush. The final two furlongs ended in storybook cool mountain breezes.
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Off-n-On Western Wallflower, lots o'Verbena
A few small patches of Pink Phlox was the eye-catcher. Only a few were in prime. Most were wilted or unimpressive single blooms.
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May 13 2020
JuanJaimeiii
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 Chandler, AZ
Nelson - Willow - Verde Rim - Pine Flat Loop, AZ 
Nelson - Willow - Verde Rim - Pine Flat Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar May 13 2020
JuanJaimeiii
Hiking15.75 Miles 2,671 AEG
Hiking15.75 Miles   6 Hrs      2.68 mph
2,671 ft AEG      7 Mns Break
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1st trip
I was looooong overdue for a hike with Joe. He suggested 3 and while the most appealing was Manning Camp I felt it may be a bit much as I am just getting my wheels back. Had a hernia surgery in January that didn't heal as quickly as I had hoped. All is well now so now so it feels great to get back on the trails. I'm hoping he and I can do the Manning hike before the year is over.

This one was awesome and I really enjoyed the killer views from the top of the Verde Rim. I on the way up we say a patch of wild yellow roses in bloom which was pretty cool as well. Overall just a great hike and felt good to get out of town and away from all of the craziness. 2020 hasn't been a great year to be a restaurant owner. Thank god for Real Estate.

Thanks for the suggestion Joe it was a winner.
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 24 2020
outdoor_lover
Hiking10.90 Miles 2,200 AEG
Hiking10.90 Miles
2,200 ft AEG
 
1st trip
Pine Mountain has been on my list for several years now. But I never thought I had enough vehicle to get there, and if the current road is any indication, I was right, at least for me and my vehicle. But things change and so do vehicles. :y: And even with the truck, that road though. 5 MPH tops for the last 7 miles. It wasn't hard, no need for 4L, but just rocky and rough enough that unless you wanted to keep hitting the top of the cab with your head, you were going to have to take it slow. :sweat: There was an outfitter camp in the campgrounds, but I was the only other vehicle when I arrived.

My first time in this area at all and it was pretty sweet. I started a bit late, I think it took me about 1 1/2 hours to get from I-17 to the TH. I thought about doing a bigger loop, but with the later start and me dinking around the first 3 miles of the hike taking photos, I had to stay with the original plan. I also wanted to do the rough drive back while it was still light.

It was interesting to learn after about 1 1/2 miles of hiking the Nelson Trail, that I'd been hiking on Private Property? Apparently, although no indication at the start, part of the Nelson Trail is not on Public Lands, according to the signs later encountered. There were also fresh survey ribbons and stakes along the way, which makes me wonder what the fate of this particular stretch of trail will be. It would be a shame to lose it, as it is a beautiful section of the trail.

The first 3 morning miles were beautiful, with Sycamore Creek flowing, springs running and trees glowing with new spring growth. The birds were very active too. Then it started to heat up, the water dried up for the most part and the gnats were out in force. Luckily there was a breeze at times, but I kept moving. Decided to do the loop CW, just to get the uphill out of the way as soon as possible. Just before topping out on Rim, I ran into the Outfitter, with 2 others. Hunters, with 3 Mules and 6 Hounds. Looking for Spring Bear and Lion I guess. They weren't the talkative type and neither was I, but I did sweet talk the hounds a little.

Topped out on the Rim and enjoyed the views. It was rather warm and the gnats were incessant, but I found some shade under a pine for a break and a snack and then I hit the top of Pine Mountain. I was kind of amazed how the top itself was almost devoid of trees, but the views were really sweet. Back down and around and more trail along the rim for a bit. Hit the Pine Mountain Trail and started the descent. Trail is pretty rocky here, so there was no cruising, just trying not to roll an ankle. Hung a right back onto Nelson and kept going. Got back to the non-loop part of the hike and the trail got better and I started to cruise for the finish. My "back to the barn" mentality was interrupted by a sun bather on the trail. He was over 4' long and gorgeous. I couldn't help but stop and admire that beautiful skin. He modeled for me for about 20 minutes or so and then he went off to go find some lunch. And my cruising resumed. A few brief stops for photos the last 1 1/2 miles and then it was back to the truck. With the exception of the Guide and his Clients, I hadn't seen another soul all day. Until now. The Campground was filling up. Several cars and quite a few people were there. Time to go.

I was hoping to not meet cars on the road, but on a Friday afternoon, even with that road, the hope was for naught. Luckily there were only two coming in. The road is a single lane, with very few spots to pull over for oncoming traffic. The first small SUV had to get up off the road, as I was climbing a hill. I had to get up off the road for the 2nd small SUV. It's not that easy, as the tall grass along the road tends to hide even the bigger rocks. No clue whether either of them made it to the Campground, or if they were even going that far. Hit the highway and headed for home. Looked like a normal Friday Night in late April, as far as traffic goes. Lots of vehicles headed north, many pulling trailers.

The Truck did great and I was so happy. I'm feeling a bit liberated in that there are a few more areas I can now get to without the worry of breaking a vehicle to do it. Trying to break the truck in right, and that always involves a little pinstriping. :D

This was a great area! I'll be back to do some other Loops here as well. There are several options out there. This was my first time above 4000 feet in over 1 1/2 years, so it was a good hike to acclimate to something higher. And much cooler than the Valley for sure. Not sure if my desert hiking is over for the season or not, but it was nice to see and hear the pines again.
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There are a few blooms starting, but nothing significant. Verbena has a few clumps here and there and the Lupine is just starting to think about spring.

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Apr 22 2020
DixieFlyer
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 Fountain Hills,
Pine Mountain 6814 Lasso Loop, AZ 
Pine Mountain 6814 Lasso Loop, AZ
 
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DixieFlyer
Hiking10.40 Miles 1,939 AEG
Hiking10.40 Miles   5 Hrs   10 Mns   2.32 mph
1,939 ft AEG      41 Mns Break
 
1st trip
Pine Mountain 6814 has been on my radar screen for a while, mainly because it is a wilderness high point and a P2K peak, meaning that it has 2,000' or more of topographic prominence. With the temperatures starting to heat up in the valley, I figured that today would be a good day to go check out this area.

I had read trip reports that indicated that FR 68 wasn't exactly a super highway, so my expectations for conditions of the road were pretty low. While the road was pretty rough, it wasn't as bad as I feared -- I took it slow in a number of places, but made it to the TH without incident. You would definitely need a HCV to navigate this road, and I think that you'd also want a 4WD vehicle. I imagine that it took me a little over an hour to get from I-17 to the TH.

This turned out to be a cool hike: I did a CCW lasso loop hike. From the TH I took the Nelson Trail for about 3 miles; then took the Pine Mountain Trail to the Verde Rim Trail; then took the Willow Springs Trail back to the Nelson Trail; then took the Nelson Trail back to the TH. While on the Verde Rim Trail I took a short off-trail jaunt to the Pine Mountain Summit.

I enjoyed the hike -- there was a creek with water flowing alongside most of the Nelson Trail. Most of the hike was beneath some large trees, which provided some filtered shade from the sun. There were some nice views as I gained elevation, and the views at the summit were definitely nice.

I imagine that I will do this hike again, probably in the fall. Perhaps by then my selective memory will have kicked in and I will have forgotten about how rough FR 68 is.

I saw no other hikers on the trail, so social distancing was not an issue.
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There was not much in the wildflower department today: a few gooding's verbena and western wallflower was about it
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Sep 29 2019
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 Phoenix, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar Sep 29 2019
emilystardust
Hiking9.80 Miles 1,875 AEG
Hiking9.80 Miles
1,875 ft AEG
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1st trip
As others have mentioned, long road to the trailhead. There were a few cars along the road camping and one at the campsite, but we saw no other people on this trail all day. We did see a black bear, which was pretty exciting (scary-ish, a little too close for what I would prefer) since I haven't seen one before in the wilderness. Verde Rim portion was beautiful - excellent scenic views all around.
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joebartels
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 Phoenix, AZ
Nelson - Verde Rim - Salt Flat Loop, AZ 
Nelson - Verde Rim - Salt Flat Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Sep 08 2018
joebartels
Hiking14.05 Miles 3,054 AEG
Hiking14.05 Miles   7 Hrs   58 Mns   2.21 mph
3,054 ft AEG   1 Hour   37 Mns Break14 LBS Pack
 
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Reverse of a Jun 08 2013 trip.

Nelson Trail #159
The most enjoyable portion of the day. Cooler in the morning. Sycamore Creek was running fair for a good stretch.

Verde Rim Trail #161
Love the Mazzie + Superstition views. Too warm and humid.

Salt Flat Trail #71
Purposely put this at the end because it's a steep ascent. Done, prefer ascending.

Pine Mountain Verde Rim Loop
Just realized how much I admire this little masterpiece.

Synopsis
Great to hike with other kids in the HAZ neighborhood. Nothing was screaming killer hike with summer temps holding. Always a good hike out in this area. Need to let the drive fade out of memory then hit this in autumn for a change next time.
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Autumn Foliage Observation None
no need to falsely trigger the maps
one shrub in the canyon, possibly dying from heat but it was the show
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mostly light, richards geranium, paintbrush and a few others I forget
small swaths of yellows
caltrop lined some of the drive over from I-17

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Nelson - Verde Rim - Salt Flat Loop, AZ 
Nelson - Verde Rim - Salt Flat Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Sep 08 2018
wallyfrack
Hiking14.05 Miles 3,054 AEG
Hiking14.05 Miles   7 Hrs   58 Mns   2.21 mph
3,054 ft AEG   1 Hour   37 Mns Break
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It was eleven years ago that I last hiked Pine Mountain. It was nice to see the change in size of the small pines. The hike started out cool but with a bit of humidity. The trails started to heat up by noon and the clouds didn't provide cover so we took a few breaks in the shade. The trails were rocky at times but my michelin soles held up. It was good to finally hike with Karl rather than running into him at a restaurant, bar, ranch or trail head. It was good to hike with the cruel kids again too. You need a baseline to measure normal behavior against. :lol:
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Sep 08 2018
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Nelson - Verde Rim - Salt Flat Loop, AZ 
Nelson - Verde Rim - Salt Flat Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Sep 08 2018
The_Eagle
Hiking14.14 Miles 3,112 AEG
Hiking14.14 Miles   7 Hrs   56 Mns   2.16 mph
3,112 ft AEG   1 Hour   23 Mns Break14 LBS Pack
 
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A CCW re-do of an earlier loop from 2013.

We were shocked on the way in, on the rough part of FR68, to encounter the sheriff & deputy driving the opposite direction. The Sheriff's truck pulled over and we decided to have a friendly conversation with her for a few moments.

The only car at the TH, we started at a comfortable yet humid 63 degrees.

Nelson Trail #159
This one starts you through a jungle of humongous Sycamores to, and through the old "Nelson Place". This is one of my favorite portions of this hike. This area is in need of additional exploration someday. This trail climbs steadily until it meets up the Verde Rim Trail.

Verde Rim Trail #161
This one climbs out of the forest and steeply at times to the exposed rim. The sun and lack of a breeze made it warm in spots. The views make up for it. Not just at the peak, but for all most all of the 6+ miles, great views to the Mazzy's and even the Supes

Views from Pine Mountain.
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Still on the Verde Rim Trail...Wally passes, Karl passes, Joe passes, a fawn that pops up from laying 3' from the trail and bolts. I was surprised it still had it's spots this late in the season.

After a relaxing walk along the old FR on Little Mesa past the Little Mesa Tanks, you make the steep and loose drop down the Salt Flat Trail.

Salt Flat Trail #71
Great views to the west of the Bradshaws.

Great hiking with Wally and Karl again...Joe too.

Thanks for driving Karl
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Nelson - Verde Rim - Salt Flat Loop, AZ 
Nelson - Verde Rim - Salt Flat Loop, AZ
 
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BiFrost
Hiking14.14 Miles 3,112 AEG
Hiking14.14 Miles   7 Hrs   56 Mns   2.16 mph
3,112 ft AEG   1 Hour   23 Mns Break
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Previously have hiked some of the shorter loops on Pine Mountain but this time Bruce put together slightly longer one with some new trails at least for me. First we went up the Nelson trail and the spring area and some very large Sycamore's. Trail stays in the canyon through some decent ponderosa forest and a few pools which were probably just runoff but at least one could be year round. Eventually we hit the Verde Rim Trail and the ascent up to Pine Mountain. This was the hottest part of the hike for sure with a bit of humidity added on. We made the summit and had a nice break...Joe picked out a fine spot!

After lunch we continued to follow rim over to the Salt Trail. The trail was uneventful on top but views made up for it especially as it dropped back down to the trail head. Very steep the last mile and would be a chore going up. Back at the vehicle we enjoyed a post hike beverage....sorry Joe I forgot your's :cry:
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Apr 26 2018
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Pine Mountain 6814Camp Verde, AZ
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friendofThundergod
Hiking9.74 Miles 2,215 AEG
Hiking9.74 Miles   3 Hrs   55 Mns   2.66 mph
2,215 ft AEG      15 Mns Break
 
1st trip
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I took the pups up to Pine Mountain Wilderness for a little hike this morning. I wanted to keep our hike close to the valley and as close to 7,000 feet as we could. My best two options for that are Peeley and PMW, Pine Mountain won today, due in large part to the perennial stream section at the beginning that I knew the pups would appreciate on the way back to the trailhead.

This is my third time to this area and although, I have only done variations of the same hike, I am still generally pretty impressed with the area. The perennial stream section and the robust spring that feeds it is a real gem and this time through I noticed for the first time the semi-large trout that must have been planted there by the forest service. I really can't imagine that small section of perennial stream holding a viable trout through the summer, but someone has and apparently they thrive in their limited environment. The final push to the peak was a tad warm even before 9 in the morning, but it was a little breezy up top and it felt great in the shade where we took a quick break. Solid views as usual from there, but a little hazy today. I didn't think we would see anyone up there today, but we did run into a local rancher on horseback. From the sounds of it, he was scouting the area for the beginning of turkey season, or a turkey hunt tomorrow. I did not make a loop of today's hike and just did an out and back to save a couple minutes, as I needed to be back in Phoenix by early afternoon. We made a couple stops along the creek on the way out for the pups to cool off, but still made it back relatively quickly and I was able to get back in time for some obligations in Phoenix.
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Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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friendofThundergod
Hiking10.07 Miles 2,032 AEG
Hiking10.07 Miles   4 Hrs   29 Mns   2.38 mph
2,032 ft AEG      15 Mns Break
 
I had been wanting to get back out to this area since my first hike in the area a couple years ago. The return trip was well worth it and the place still left a good impression on me, but the drive in sucks and I can't believe I had forgot that.

Luckily with the fall colors and the big views from the rim today, the long drive became an afterthought pretty quickly. This is a really nice area this time of year and a quaint, but worthy little wilderness area. We only saw one person all day (a hunter) and moved pretty quickly on the generally nice trail. The views from the rim were especially nice today due to some nice clouds. There were also some nice sections of fall colors along the way and just about perfect hiking temperatures.
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Nov 05 2017
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Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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Hiking avatar Nov 05 2017
John9L
Hiking9.95 Miles 2,041 AEG
Hiking9.95 Miles   4 Hrs   36 Mns   2.31 mph
2,041 ft AEG      18 Mns Break
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Met up with Lee and the pups for a fun hike north of Phoenix. We met at the Happy Valley Park N Ride at 6am and made the drive up. We turned off at the Dugas / Orme exit and headed east. The long dirt road turned into a pain! Overall the road is in good condition but very long and tedious! We were driving in right after the sun peaked over the horizon and spent most of drive with a blinding sun directly in our eyes! We were both glad when we arrived at the TH around 8am. Speaking of that we pulled in and parked next to Chumley’s truck who was car camping. He was sleeping in the back of his truck and I’m glad he didn’t shoot us after waking him up!

We hung out with Chumley for about 20 minutes and then started our hike. The trail is in good condition as it makes a steady climb. The lower canyon had lots of water and some nice fall colors. We continued up and hit the start of our lasso and opted for a clockwise loop. We continued up and topped out on Pine Mountain. Once there we soaked in the views and ate a snack. From there we continued along the rim and eventually started our descent back to the TH. We cruised down and were back to the TH around 1pm. Chumley was long gone so we packed up and made the drive back to Phoenix.

This was a nice hike and I’m glad I can finally check it off the list. The road is a pain but the hike is worth doing at least once. Thanks to FOTG for driving!
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Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
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Nightstalker
Hiking10.80 Miles 1,917 AEG
Hiking10.80 Miles   5 Hrs   55 Mns   2.36 mph
1,917 ft AEG   1 Hour   20 Mns Break15 LBS Pack
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1st trip
Perfect temps, overcast skies, and plenty of trees for today's hike to Pine Mountain. Left McD's at Carefree Hwy and I-17 at 5AM and made it to the trailhead just before 7am. As noted by others, high clearance vehicle recommended! I was pretty spooky doing this road in the dark before sunrise. There were at least 3 campsites in the camping area at the trailhead, no one offered us any bacon before departing though, guess they don't like pretty girls. Lots of hardwoods at peak color throughout the duration of the hike with plenty of pines mixed in for additional color. Got stuck behind cattle two different times on the way in. They got a good working trying to stay ahead of us. Took the side trail up Pine Mountain for the best views of the Verde Valley on the hike. Saw one other person in the 10+ miles of trail.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Extreme

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Beehouse Canyon Medium flow Medium flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Nelson Place Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
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Nov 04 2017
MountainMatt
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 Joined Jan 24 2016
 Arizona
Pine Mountain Wilderness, AZ 
Pine Mountain Wilderness, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Nov 04 2017
MountainMatt
Hiking16.57 Miles 2,659 AEG
Hiking16.57 Miles
2,659 ft AEG25 LBS Pack
 no routes
1st trip
I've been wanting to check out the Pine Mountain Wilderness for quite sometime and this weekend could not have been better for the trip.
Drove out on Friday night and enjoyed the fun road on the way to the TH illuminated by the full moon glow.

Chums had been out before and planned a loop for us that ended up being one of my favorite day hikes in quite some time!
Saturday started out a little sunny but soon the clouds rolled in and with most of the hike being under some form of shade made for incredibly pleasant hiking weather.
Views from the rim and Pine Mountain were stunning and offered a nice view of some red lollipop slopes here and there.

The winner of the day was our side trip up to Beehouse Spring which was a gem of healthy maples, oaks and sycamores complimented by the occasional prickly pear.

Before returning to the TH with Chums I departed and headed back up and past Black Alder Spring to photograph this little scene of agave and maples we passed earlier in the day.
On the return back in the dark I thought I spooked some more cattle but after my headlamp flashed on the movement I was surprised to see 5 or 6 monkey-skunks scattering up the trees making all sorts of noise.

The next morning I woke up for sunrise and hiked back on up to Beehouse to take advantage of the color and enjoyed a quiet morning in silence taking photos in a diverse wonderland which added an additonal 2.47 miles and minor aeg which I added to the loop stats.

A downright perfect weekend with good company spent out in the Pine Mountain paradise.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Substantial
Dull Maples, Healthy Oaks and Sycamores galore, a little sumac and a few past prime random aspen.
Most of the maples lacked the spunk of a nice red but there was still some hot spots to be found.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Beehouse Spring Dripping Dripping
3 pools of clear water frequently used by cattle 50-60 yards downstream from the actual marked spring.

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Water running down from the hillside spring giving fuel to Sycamore Creek.

dry Pine Spring Dry Dry

dry Willow Spring Dry Dry
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Nov 04 2017
chumley
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48 male
 Joined Sep 18 2002
 Tempe, AZ
Pine Mountain Plus, AZ 
Pine Mountain Plus, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Nov 04 2017
chumley
Hiking11.81 Miles 2,408 AEG
Hiking11.81 Miles   6 Hrs   5 Mns   2.28 mph
2,408 ft AEG      54 Mns Break
 
1st trip
Spent the weekend at Salt Flat Campground. Saturday Matt and I hiked a north loop to Pine Mtn. The weather was perfect! The leaves were sporadic to start, and just a little bit blah/dull overall. Not quite the saturated color I would have hoped for.

There was a truck at the trailhead with a HAZ sticker, but we didn't manage to cross paths with @nightstalker. We did cross paths with @mr14ner, the 3rd time that's happened for me!

Sunday 9L and FOTG stopped by in the morning to visit before heading out on a loop of their own.

I made an effort to drive the road to the Rim, but gave up just past the Oxbow Trail since I had been bumping along for over an hour. I could have made it the rest of the way, but it was really slow going, and I just wasn't enjoying it and the end goal of hiking down to Cold Water Spring just wasn't worth the effort I was putting forth.

So I turned around and headed back down to where the road is nice again!
Fauna
Fauna
Tarantula
Meteorology
Meteorology
Autumn - Color Foliage
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Autumn Foliage Observation Moderate

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Beehouse Spring Dripping Dripping
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout 100 yards below marked spot, several shallow pools of clear water during a record dry autumn.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Nelson Place Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Clear and reliable as always

dry Pine Spring Dry Dry
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout

dry Willow Spring Dry Dry
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout
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Mar 28 2017
FLYING_FLIVER
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 Joined Jan 28 2010
 Fountain Hills,
WILD on Pine Mountain, AZ 
WILD on Pine Mountain, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Mar 28 2017
FLYING_FLIVER
Hiking6.46 Miles 1,633 AEG
Hiking6.46 Miles   4 Hrs   47 Mns   2.31 mph
1,633 ft AEG   1 Hour   59 Mns Break
 
1st trip
The ‘boulder crawl’ drive:
It’s a 21 mile drive from I-17 to the north TH for, Verde Rim Trail #161.
The first 14 miles of road are OK, with the last 7 miles being mostly a boulder field. I was literally at a 2 or 3 mph boulder crawl, over very large boulders for most of those last 7 miles. I knew about the road conditions prior to using it, but I had another hike I wanted to do from this road, if I had time. I ran out of time.
As many know, there is an alternative road/TH, for hiking the Verde Rim Trail #161, by connecting to it from another trail. I recommend that TH.

The Hike:
Excellent hike - In a pine forest, with views to the east that never quit. Trail #161 is in great shape, with just a bit of encroaching growth & a bit of deadfall.

The high point of Pine Mountain is a very nice, relatively flat area, with alot of open space. Surveyors placed Wild Triangulation Station on the high point, near the rim, in 1946. They also set reference mark #1. A Forest Service Disk was already established up there in 1938, 17 Ft from Wild BM, and surveyors used it for their Wild RM #2.

Once done with those three disks, I went further south on the trail and located Wild Azimuth Mark, which is even closer to the rim, and only a few feet lower than the BM’s high point. The ‘line of sight’ from Wild Azimuth to Wild BM is over the drop off of the rim. There are great views from the azimuth disk also.

Yes - The arduous drive was slow and tedious, but worth it. However that other, addendum hike I’d like to do, may have to wait until I buy a helicopter. :|
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Horseshoe Reservoir Pine Mountain
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Virga
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Nov 11 2015
chumley
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 Joined Sep 18 2002
 Tempe, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim, AZ 
Pine Mountain Verde Rim, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Nov 11 2015
chumley
Hiking11.05 Miles 2,161 AEG
Hiking11.05 Miles   4 Hrs   33 Mns   2.85 mph
2,161 ft AEG      40 Mns Break
 
1st trip
With existing plans dictating a later start and an early finish I lobbied a bit for an actual "fall" hike despite the moderate drive.

Turns out it was a great day. The road was as nice as I've ever seen it. Only the last few miles were a little rough, and those will never change. The rest was nicely graded and smooth despite recent storms. Temps got to the 50s, but by the end of the day, I was happy to have a beanie and gloves, though probably only in the mid 40s it wasn't necessary, just more comfortable.

Only a couple of maples still had some color, but the sycamores flashed some gold, along with ample big green leaves already on the ground. The oaks up here were the ones showing rusty golds most of the day. Great views up top ... the SF Peaks had a very impressive snow pack for November, while the Mazzy ridgeline, 4 peaks and the Supes looked great. Horseshoe lake looks pretty full.

As the responsible party today I acknowledge leading the group astray for an extra 1.1 miles and 22 minutes. My bad!

There were a couple of patches of snow remaining in the most sheltered areas and places where some nasty thorns (perhaps wild rose bushes?) were growing in a few spots along the trail.

There are two apple trees near Nelson spring. I managed to harvest a single green-skinned apple that was tart but good. Earlier in the season this might be a good one!

Glad Dave was able to join us on this special holiday. Special thanks to Lee and the many other Hazzers who have made personal sacrifices to serve our country. :worthy:
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Old Glory
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Autumn Foliage Observation Moderate
A few late maples hanging on, but mostly done. Oaks are rusty gold and approaching peak. Sycamores still have some gold but many have fallen. Lots of green leaves of all varieties on the ground already. Big wind last weekend after the snow impacted everything. Cottonwoods in the canyons on the drive in are just getting going. Another week or two for them.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Running clear and clean

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Tank Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
mostly mud but some small puddles
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Nov 11 2015
friendofThundergod
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 Joined Jan 21 2013
 AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
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friendofThundergod
Hiking11.05 Miles 2,161 AEG
Hiking11.05 Miles
2,161 ft AEG
 
Just keeping the tradition alive today by completing another nice Veterans Day hike with Chumley. We picked up an extra this year, as Dave joined us. It was a late start because I am a mean coach and made my boys come in and practice on their morning off. Nevertheless, Chumley was able to plan a nearly perfect afternoon hike.

We completed the Pine Mountain-Verde Rim loop. The drive was not too bad, we appreciated what appeared to be a recently graded road. The temps were great and the trails were in excellent condition for the most part. The views from the rim and Pine Mountain were very nice and there was a considerable amount of water at the lower elevations. There were also several nice sections of Fall colors along the lasso-loop. The hike exceeded my expectations, a nice little area. Nothing in that area was really on my radar until today. Now the wheels in my head are turning, as I think of hikes that could incorporate Pine Mountain, Cedar Bench and the western Mazzys all in one shot.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Moderate

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May 24 2015
The_Dude
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 Joined Jun 10 2011
 Phoenix, AZ
Pine Mountain Verde Rim LoopCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
Hiking avatar May 24 2015
The_Dude
Hiking9.80 Miles 1,949 AEG
Hiking9.80 Miles   4 Hrs   18 Mns   2.76 mph
1,949 ft AEG      45 Mns Break12 LBS Pack
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1st trip
Great hike for a long weekend, the drive out is half the fun...we left Phoenix a bit after 6 to make the drive up. Dugas road is something, glad we were riding in Nick's truck with 4 wheel drive when necessary. There were only a few really rough spots, but definitely slow going. Pine Mountain Wilderness is gorgeous! Amazing how you can drive through miles and miles of scrub desert with One Seed Juniper as the largest plants on the horizon, and then you turn a corner and it is all pines and oaks. The hike is very pleasant (I don't think we ever cracked 70 while we were out), we did the CCW loop up to the peak. Nice break up top for lunch. Views east off the Verde Rim are fantastic, pictures do not do it justice. Made it back home about 3:30 to enjoy the rest of the weekend with the family. There are some nice longer loop options out here, we did see a few nice camp sites too. Great wildflower show!
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Wildflowers Observation Substantial
Great wildflower color, many different kinds of flowers blooming. Nothing overwhelming, but lots of nice pockets.
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