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Jun 08 2019
LindaAnn
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39 female
 Joined Dec 24 2007
 Ahwatukee, AZ
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ 
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jun 08 2019
LindaAnn
Hiking17.06 Miles 3,467 AEG
Hiking17.06 Miles   8 Hrs   20 Mns   2.36 mph
3,467 ft AEG   1 Hour   6 Mns Break
 
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Got started a little after 9:00am and headed up Red Rock Springs trail. The trail is easy enough to follow, but lots of round rocks, which slows travel a bit. Once we reached Highline, we headed east to Geronimo. Surprisingly clear views in all directions, despite the various fires burning around the state. We could just barely see a little smoke from the Coldwater fire, and really none from the Mountain fire. Took a short snack break near the junction with Geronimo, then continued on our way. Just after Camp Geronimo, we ended up on the Boy Scouts Geronimo-West Webber Connector; we started to backtrack, then decided to just stick with that trail since it parallels West Webber anyway. Lots of great maples through this section, and plenty of shade. We reached West Webber just before the steep switchbacks started, and headed up. This part was a bit of a slog for me, but I kept my complaining to a minimum. Once up top, we decided to head out to the edge of Milk Ranch Point before heading down Donahue. We followed one the forest roads out to the eastern-southeastern edge and found some shaded rocks to sit on for lunch. Once there, we could see directly south, and could just barely make out the start of the smoke plume from the Woodbury fire, but we couldn't tell for sure where it was located. After we ate, we headed back over to the Donahue Trail and make our way down off the Rim. Somewhere along here, Jim actually complained about the heat--I was very confused. Once back on Highline, we headed east back towards Red Rock Springs, and back down to the car, finishing up by 5:30. By late afternoon, the smoke from the Coldwater fire had increased noticeably, but all the smoke was headed east. On the drive home, the smoke from the Woodbury fire increased a lot too, and we could finally tell in which part of the Superstitions it was burning. Nice day and loop, with great weather. Saw no other hikers all day, but a few RZRs up top, which was kind of annoying since they don't seem to understand that roads marked closed to motorized vehicles actually includes them too.
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Jun 08 2019
Jim_H
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40 male
 Joined Sep 08 2006
 Phoenix, AZ
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ 
Milk Ranch Point Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jun 08 2019
Jim_H
Hiking17.00 Miles 3,467 AEG
Hiking17.00 Miles   8 Hrs   20 Mns   2.35 mph
3,467 ft AEG   1 Hour   6 Mns Break10 LBS Pack
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1st trip
This was not a peak. There was no peak to be found here. Overwhelmingly smokey views tragically destroyed the trip. Cancel your plans, NOW! Excessively crowded control roads are out of control. Dust....galore. On the point, more dust, buggies, and dust, never a moments peace. Donahue heat drains one's hiking stamina and frankly, why do I even leave the house? Over 8 hours of shear torture combined with some of the worst hiking conditions of the year made for an absolute hellish trip around this eyesore of geographic feature. There is no milk to be found here!

The only consolation was spotting the Woodbury Fire, and now it is obvious that by the weekend's end, the entirety of that dreadful Superstition Range will be blackened! No more apples!
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Apr 17 2019
DixieFlyer
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 Fountain Hills,
Geronimo Turkey Milk, AZ 
Geronimo Turkey Milk, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Apr 17 2019
DixieFlyer
Hiking10.70 Miles 2,518 AEG
Hiking10.70 Miles   5 Hrs   33 Mns   2.47 mph
2,518 ft AEG   1 Hour   13 Mns Break
 
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Last week I did a loop hike that I dubbed Red Geronimo Milk, so this week I decided to try a different flavor of milk, and this one was much tastier!

This hike is north of Payson, near Pine. I started and ended the hike at the Geronimo TH on FR 440, which is near Camp Geronimo, and is a couple of miles off of Control Rd #64.

The route was a CCW lollipop loop hike which followed this sequence:
TH > Highline > Geronimo Trail> Turkey Trail > FR 9381F > Milk Ranch Rd(FR 218) > West Webber Trail > Milk Ranch West Trl(BSA) > Geronimo Trl > Highline > TH

I particularly enjoyed Turkey Trail #217: It had great views along with a cool rock outcropping along the upper part of the trail. It was a lot nicer going down the West Webber Trail than going up it.

This would a good hike when there is hot weather in Phoenix -- the temperatures would be cooler than those in the Valley, and you'd be in shade for much of the hike.

After the hike I made the obligatory stop at That Brewery in Pine!
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Apr 10 2019
DixieFlyer
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 Fountain Hills,
Red Geronimo Milk, AZ 
Red Geronimo Milk, AZ
 
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DixieFlyer
Hiking15.70 Miles 3,675 AEG
Hiking15.70 Miles   7 Hrs   39 Mns   2.56 mph
3,675 ft AEG   1 Hour   31 Mns Break
 
1st trip
I had never hiked on the section of the Highline Trail from the Donahue Trail to the Geronimo Trail, so I decided to rectify that today. I wound up doing a CCW lollipop loop hike that started and ended at the Red Rock Springs Trail #294.

The trailhead is on Control Rd #64, and is a little over 2 miles off of Highway 87 between Payson and Pine. The Control Road is a very well graded gravel road that any car can drive on. There is room for probably 4-5 cars at the TH.

The sequence of trails on the hike is below.
TH > Red Rock Springs Trl > Highline Trl > Geronimo Trl > Milk Ranch West Trl > West Webber Trl > FR 218 > Donahue Trl > Highline Trl > Red Rock Springs Trl > TH

I had been on FR 218 and the Donahue Trail before, but the others were new to me.

I enjoyed the hike, although I think that this one would be better in the fall when leaves might be changing. The trails were mostly good to hike on, although I am not a big fan of the descent on the Donahue Trail.

The hike wound up being a bit longer than I intended. On the way out on the Red Rock Springs Trail, I got off the trail on a logging road, and by the time I realized my mistake and got back on the trail, I added about 1.3 miles to the hike.
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there were some manzanita and desert/mojave ceanothus blooming

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Sep 01 2018
The_Eagle
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63 male
 Joined Jan 20 2009
 Far NE Phoenix,
Red Geronimo Milk East Pine Bear, AZ 
Red Geronimo Milk East Pine Bear, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Sep 01 2018
The_Eagle
Hiking15.68 Miles 3,686 AEG
Hiking15.68 Miles   8 Hrs   6 Mns   2.14 mph
3,686 ft AEG      46 Mns Break14 LBS Pack
 
1st trip
Red Rock Springs Trail #284
Started here, because I'd never been on this one.
Nothing special, takes you up to the Highline, by Red Rock Spring.

Highline Trail #31
4 miles on this to get to Geronimo. Highlight was the Pine Spring area. I never noticed the 2nd wooden spring box, south of the one on trail. Had a fox hike towards me.

Geronimo #240
An old rough Road

Geronimo - West Webber Connector - AKA West Milk Ranch - BSA
A good option vs West Webber all the way. Thick trees and a running West Webber Creek, made this enjoyable.

West Webber #228
From where you get on this, the steepness begins. 7/10 of a mile and more than 800' of gain. The only hikers I saw all day, passed me running to the top. One was a Ranger Dave Metzer from Camelback. He says "Hi Joe".

East Rim - BSA
I've been up this numerous times, first time going down this one. A little more slippery, going this direction.

Clear sailing the rest of the way.





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Pine Spring Red Rock Spring
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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Pools to filter from

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Red Rock Spring Dripping Dripping
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Easiest option is from the tank on the highline trail. It was almost full. The spring area had pools that you could filter from if needed.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Areas of flowing water
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Jun 03 2017
JasonCleghorn
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44 male
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 Phoenix, AZ
Geronimo - West Webber ConnectorPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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JasonCleghorn
Hiking4.94 Miles 462 AEG
Hiking4.94 Miles   1 Hour   41 Mns   3.15 mph
462 ft AEG      7 Mns Break
 
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Actually this TL was from our campsite on Milk Ranch Rd. to the Milk Ranch highpoint, a little non-descript peak with 293 feet of prominence. We had camped there Saturday and Saturday night.
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 Tucson, AZ
Highline Trail #31Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Hiking53.44 Miles 9,735 AEG
Hiking53.44 Miles   23 Hrs   51 Mns   2.69 mph
9,735 ft AEG   3 Hrs   57 Mns Break
 
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The Highline ... something I've done many parts of but never done the whole thing, start to finish. Finally, it was the time to check it off the list. What's more, every time I have hiked the Highline, I have been rained or hailed on...this time was no exception. Took a friend with me who also wanted to do it.

Day 1: Pine TH to Bray Creek
Started out in the afternoon, leaving Pine TH about 2:15pm. Shortly after starting, we ran into Rob, the first of 2 AZT through-hikers encountered on this trip. Rob had started in Mexico on Mar. 4. Made our first and only wrong turn early on here, accidentally getting on the Donahue Trail that heads up to Milk Ranch Point. Didn't lose a lot of time, maybe a mile. Passed Geronimo TH at 6:15. Later in the afternoon, before dark, saw our first deer and elk. We wanted to camp at the East Verde by Washington Park TH, but our late start prevented us from getting there. Little slow going, my friend was nauseated, but we figured a good night's sleep would cure it. We finally made it to Bray Creek about 8:30pm with our headlamps and decided to settle for it. Bray was almost dry, just a few shallow puddles, but there were two black pipes running from up the creek, paralleling it, rushing all the water downhill for someone else. It's odd to be right next to water flowing so strong you can hear it flowing in your tent, but because it's in a black pipe you can't get a drop of it. Finished Day 1: 13.12 mi, 2820aeg, 6hr 15min, 1:09 break.

Day 2: Bray Creek to Hatchery TH
Started out from Bray Creek at 7am, made it to Washington Park TH by 10:10. Interesting, found a nice, new 6pt elk antler sitting on the trail. Between Dude and Bonita Creeks we ran into two surveyors with VOAZ (Volunteers of Outdoor Arizona). Really nice guys. They said they live in Scottsdale but drive up every week to do this surgery work, as they are looking for ways to improve the trail and its route. Apparently their organization has been doing this for a while now (you can read about it by going to www.voaz.org and under "Get Involved" you'll find the "VOAz Highline Project"). There is even info there in case you want to help volunteer with part of the project. They have already pretty much finished work from Hatchery TH to 260 TH, and this day wanted to do work between Dude Creek and the 144 Control Road. It turned out to be a blessing that we ran into them, because we left them and by the time we made it to the Control Road, where their truck was parked, my friend was ready to bow out. He'd been feeling sick again most of the day, and decided to hang back and beg for a ride out. We made a contingency in that, if he couldn't get them to give him a ride out, that he would hang out at nearby Perley Creek until I finished the Highline and could come back for him the following day. Wasn't crazy about the idea, but there weren't any other decent options, we were kind of at the ½way point, his truck was at Pine TH and mine at 260 TH. With that, I decided to head on to Hatchery TH, our intended destination for the night. Speeding it up and without taking as many breaks, I made it to Hatchery just after dark at 7:20. Just before dark, I ran into another AZT thru-hiker, who had started in Mexico in February and had decided to detour from the AZT to do the entire Highline and was on his way back, nice guy. Ran into several more deer and elk and even an owl near dusk. Finished Day 2: 22.09 mi, 3805aeg, 12hr 22min, 2:40 break.

Once I arrived at Hatchery TH, I realized there weren't really any good options for pitching a tent, but I pitched the tent here anyway in some thick grass next to the parking lot anyway in case my friend actually did get a ride back to his vehicle and showed up. About 45 minutes after I had pitched my tent and was eating a dinner of Pringles and peanut butter (oops, he had the stove) ... he drove up. The volunteer surveyors did have compassion on him, plus he offered them $40 for the ride to treat them to a nice dinner before heading back to Scottsdale for the night. Now that he had a vehicle, and I had put 22+ miles in with a heavy backpack, I wanted more protein than my Mountain House had to offer, so he drove us into Payson for a late night Arby's run. Ahhh...chicken cordon bleu! Hearing that a storm was rolling in at midnight, I decided to ditch the tent and just slept in the truck.

Day 3: Hatchery TH to 260 TH
Woke up about 5:30am, tossed out the idea of having him join me for part of the conclusion of the hike (Hatchery to See Canyon, or See Canyon to 260), but he was done done. He was not wanting to push it again, plus he was concerned about the trail being muddy and the threat of the storm ramping back up for the day, mostly by 11am. With 17 miles to go, I decided if I just ditched my gear, I could run it and beat the storm. So he graciously brought my gear back to Tucson while I took a 1 liter Gatorade bottle with water, an umbrella, my GPS and my SPOT and took off, at 6am. The morning was fabulous. It was a little muddy but not bad. Hatchery to See is the best section of the trail, if you ask me; love this section. Made it to See Canyon TH by 9:10am, the only place I saw someone else today on the trail, a guy on a four wheeler at the trailhead. Once 10am hit, with 4 miles to go to the 260 TH, the rain started and quickly turned into hail. I thought to myself, how ironic. It was on this same segment of trail 8 years ago while doing the Mogollon Rim Vista Loop that I was in my most dangerous situation ever on a hike [ triplog ] , a monsoon hailstorm with lightning popping everywhere, and not having the gear to protect myself. After about 15 minutes, once I had had time to reminisce the last hailstorm, it let up, and I had clear skies the rest of the way to the end. Made it to the trailhead at 11:15am, with the storm kicking in 10 minutes later. Finished Day 3: 18.23 mi, 3110aeg, 5hr 14min, 0:08 break.
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mostly from Hatchery TH to 260 TH.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Big Canyon Creek @ Highline Light flow Light flow
no algae buildup

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mostly empty because two black pipes upstream are taking all the water and flowing it downhill

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Good and clear

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strong, clear flow

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clean, nice, moderate flow

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Good average flow

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Ellison Creek @ Highline Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Was some water but stagnant and covered with algae

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Horton Creek Medium flow Medium flow
really nice flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max North Sycamore Creek @ Highline Light flow Light flow
nice, clear, moving flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Perley Creek @ Highline Light flow Light flow
Not a lot, but what was there was good and clear

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Pine Spring Dripping Dripping
along the ground, ground wet but not easy to get water

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Red Rock Spring Dripping Dripping
dripping but cement tank full, water clear and good


water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max West Fork Tonto Creek Light flow Light flow
Not a lot but enough to filter a supply, mostly clear

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max West Webber Creek Medium flow Medium flow
good, clear water
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Jun 23 2014
PrestonSands
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 Oro Valley, AZ
West Webber Trail #228Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Jun 23 2014
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Hiking11.20 Miles 2,260 AEG
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Camp Geronimo weekend, day 2:

Left for a solo hike after breakfast with the parents in the dining hall and made my way to the west end of camp. Started on the Milk Ranch Point West Trail, then took the West Webber Trail to the top of Milk Ranch Point. Followed F.R. 218 north for a mile or so, looking for the Turkey Trail, which, as it turns out, is not signed at this time. After a couple of wrong turns and some bushwhacking, I finally located the Turkey Trail and descended the Mogollon Rim into the toasty warmth of the West Webber Creek watershed. Had lunch with my dad near Lake Geronimo and then I started for home, stopping to meet my brother for dinner at Serrano's in Tempe. :)

Things learned on the drive back to Payson: the Washington Park trailhead and access road is now closed to camping, and delays should be expected on Houston Mesa Road while the new (!) Second Crossing and Third Crossing bridges are completed.

Trip log data reflects West Webber-Turkey Trail loop and Camp Geronimo hiking.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Turkey Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
The big wooden tank by the trail that is signed as "Turkey Spring" was bone dry, but there was a slight flow of water and some tiny pools in the creek below it.
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Jun 12 2014
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 Chandler, AZ
Pine Canyon / Geronimo LoopPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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JuanJaimeiii
Hiking19.00 Miles 4,519 AEG
Hiking19.00 Miles   6 Hrs   17 Mns   3.06 mph
4,519 ft AEG      5 Mns Break
 
Got a late start (12:30pm) to what turned out to be a warm afternoon hike in rim country.

This was my second time doing this route and I really enjoy it. The east rim trail is as steep as I remember it. It gains 1050 feet in three quarters of a mile. Then it's a light bushwhack to Milk Ranch Point Road and then over to Milk Ranch trail.

From there you travel to the West Webber and on down to the Geronimo. I took a side trip over to the river on the Highline for good measure. Then it is an enjoyable trip back to the Pine Trailhead via the Highline.

I highly recommend this one.
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 Scottsdale, AZ
The New Year's Day Tradition Continues....., AZ 
The New Year's Day Tradition Continues....., AZ
 
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Hiking3.20 Miles 1,840 AEG
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Great views on this hike....

Third year in a row for me. This year I was a little under the weather and still am :( . In 1984, I won the Henry Spencer award and during my acceptance speech I forgot to credit several people. I kinda just froze and said thanks and stay real. I really felt like a jerk and several people were irked with me but such is life. The next day I went to Boston to receive another award (can't remember the name), but it didn't include any money but it did include a special TI calculator which was kinda a big deal back then. Anyways, I'd first like to thank my sponsors. Thanks Pam for another fun start to the year and the things you packed in. Thanks Barrett for driving and the gross black cherry thing. Thanks to Randal for the after hike camaraderie building session. Good to see a gathering of Johns :-k :? :) . Nice to meet a few new people(Shawn and Tracy)...Good to hike with Kelly after seeing her a few times on different trails. Good to see Larry who blended right into the group somewhere along the way. I think thats it... ;)

A big thank you to JoeyB.... A group hike can be made up of the sum of body parts. Someone usually has heart,and blah...blah...blah... But without a leader a hike is like a foot without a big toe. It's hard to hike without a big toe. I think that we owe a big round of applause to our mentor, loyal master, bestest buddy, and big toe... Oklahoma Joey. Most of this is from a quote from Stripes. Cheers mate hope to hike with you a lot more this year.
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Jun 26 2013
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Pine Canyon / Geronimo LoopPayson, AZ
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topohiker
Hiking29.68 Miles 5,459 AEG
Hiking29.68 Miles   12 Hrs   42 Mns   2.86 mph
5,459 ft AEG   2 Hrs   20 Mns Break
 
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Mike and I started out at the Pine TH and did a longer loop this week. We took the Pine trail to the rim. Along the way we surprised by a black rattler hiding in some rocks :scared: . We warned a group of people coming down with a dog about the snake. We took the Gen. Crook and forest roads over to Milk Ranch point and had lunch at the West Weber trail. We saw about 6~8 people with dogs climbing up the West Weber.


We milled around a bit before heading back on the Highline trail. When the sun dropped, the super moon took over. It was great hiking by moon light until the trees obscured it.
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Jun 17 2013
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Turkey Trail #217Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Hiking8.00 Miles 2,019 AEG
Hiking8.00 Miles   6 Hrs   17 Mns   1.27 mph
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Highline - AZT #26Payson, AZ
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topohiker
Hiking35.65 Miles 5,250 AEG
Hiking35.65 Miles   12 Hrs   30 Mns   3.10 mph
5,250 ft AEG   1 Hour    Break
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I started out at the Washington Park TH and headed West on the Highline.
The highline from Washington Park to Camp Geronimo is free of deadfall (except for one small tree) and is extra wide. The crews did a great job on the trail maintenance. I took the Geronimo to the Milk Ranch trail. On the Milk Ranch Trail, I came across a guy who looked confused. He was scouting out a loop for a trail running event. The course (starting at the Pine TH) was going up to Milk Ranch point to the Donahue, then back to the Pine TH. I showed him where he was on map and he took off.

I had lunch in the cool breeze on top of Milk Ranch Point. I took the Milk Ranch Point road to the Rim/General Crook trail to the Col. Devin trail. I did a little sight-seeing and exploring along the way.

I noticed that the rim and Washington Park was pretty empty for a hot summer day. Not many campers or vehicles. That may have been because of the fire ban restrictions.
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Pine Webber Loop, AZ 
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Hiking25.80 Miles 5,170 AEG
Hiking25.80 Miles   13 Hrs   51 Mns   2.27 mph
5,170 ft AEG   2 Hrs   30 Mns Break14 LBS Pack
 
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I threw together a loop in a few minutes from a map of several tracks Bruce sent over. Heading in I was excited having had great times on these trail in the past.

We headed down and all seemed good albeit a tad humid. Passed two groups of 40 teenage girls from a church camp. Bruce wanted to find the "Tiny Cave" and then was upset on the lack of volume.

I guess a few minutes planning a big hike is not a good idea. I assumed we were heading up Donahue as I didn't know anything else ascended the rim. Welcome to the BSA East Rim Trail. Mama mia it's practically a slide!

Headed over Milk Ranch and down West Webber. Yeah it was getting a little toasty and the humidity was kicking in big time. We weren't making great time. Lunch was looking to be pretty late. I assured Bruce it was worth the wait to get to the back of East Webber.

After making it through the frying pan on Geronimo, East Webber was mighty refreshing. Looked like a big storm was going to blow over too.

It had been 5 years since my last visit. It seemed like there was a lot more vegetation in the creek than I remembered. Then it hit. Holy cow this was not the place to be in shorts. Some tall lethal weapon (plant) that resembles raspberry bushes has taken over. The trail disappeared with a half mile to go. I recall maybe 50 yards of bushwhacking and mentioned to Bruce that it was friendly shrub...lol

It was all terrible and all before things really turned worse. We threw in the towel and gave up trying to reach the jeweled "end" lodged in my memory. It started raining. Crawling over slippery jagged trees was border line dangerous.

Went from frying earlier to freezing and starving. We lunched at about 3:45 in light rain. After a half mile Bruce realized he forgot his GPS. Being the kind guy I am I offered wait and eat his chips while he hiked back.

Feeling a tad better with some food down came the next joy. Just what every 20+ mile 5k hiker wants... ten pound feet clumping through the mud.

Based on previous knowledge I decided the Turkey trail would be a bad idea muddy. The new plan was West Webber back up. We missed the turn and ended up on Milk Ranch Trail. No biggie and I was feeling pretty darn good at that point.

Up top again we followed the road then made a left onto some leg Bruce threw together. Guess I didn't pay much attention to that either in planning. 8pm, headlamps on and I'm looking at this wall of pure hell, heading down... My stomach was beginning to turn. I figured it'd be best to take roads back. That took a while to figure out but it all ended well.

I'm glad this one is over. It is sad that East Webber is so horrific now. We noticed several signs of flooding in the area. The super sized vegetation may be from all the moisture. I'll return, this just wasn't a great trip. A little hiking in the rain is cool, five hours is a drag. That raspberry stuff really hurts. Simple pants and a machete solve that issue.
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 Far NE Phoenix,
Pine Webber Loop, AZ 
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The_Eagle
Hiking26.80 Miles 5,270 AEG
Hiking26.80 Miles   13 Hrs   51 Mns   2.26 mph
5,270 ft AEG   2 Hrs    Break16 LBS Pack
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Parked up top off of 87, crossed through the fence and parked .2 mile down at the TH.
The area took a lot of rain on this day and I was still able to get my 2 Wheel drive up and out with no problem at the end of the day (Phew).

We made our way down the Pine Trail with its sweet views, having the place all to ourselves. We saw a King Snake and shortly there after the quiet in the canyon was gone for a bit. We passed 2 separate Church groups of young ladies (30-40 each).

The East Rim Trail was next up....and I do mean UP. There were spots where I was on all fours going up. This trail is less than .75 miles long and gains +1,100 feet in that time. There are some great views on the way up. Towards the top there is a Boulder/Rock climbing section that's fun.

This trail ends up top and you then follow occasional metal blazes on trees to get out to FR9283L. Now that we have that climbing out of the way, a short walk up top on Milk Ranch Point it was down on West Webber Trail, Milk Ranch Point Trail and met up with the Geronimo Trail. The forest on the way down is very thick and lush. Looks like the fall colors would be incredible.

Geronimo was my least favorite. It's an old road affording little shade from the sun.

East Webber was real nice for awhile. Once you get past the downed BSA Rim Trail sign, It is near impossible, to impossible to follow. What was a trail has been covered with blood stealing 5' tall raspberry type bushes. We trudged on for a bit making almost no headway, finally giving up once the rain started coming down at a heavier pace.

A short lunch in the drizzle and then we were off, trudging back down the muddy Gerinimo sporting our 5 pound shoes. Hiking back up West Webber, the rain had finally stopped. We took a break at the top to change into dry socks. Wrong call as the rain started again.

We had 3 miles of road walking on FR218 which drug on forever. I'd drawn up a route off of FR218, back to the truck which would short cut across the north rim of Pine Canyon. It used some old FR's and some bushwhacking. It should lend some good sunset views. One problem with that plan... it's now after 8pm, it's dark, raining, so no sunset views and all I have are my prescription sunglasses with me. So the glasses are off and I'm hiking blind. Also the roads in places were not there anymore and were replaced with prickly locust trees...

We made the right decision and made our way over to the long way back on a more established trail... FR 300 to SR87 2.5 miles to the truck.

Always an adventure
JBM was all over the map
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Parsnip Spring Pine Creek
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 Phoenix, AZ
Geronimo - West Webber ConnectorPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Alston_Neal
Hiking1.35 Miles 636 AEG
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636 ft AEG
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Mother's Day weekend with my lovely and son. My first ever site on the rim.... :y:
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 Oro Valley, AZ
Camp Geronimo, AZ 
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PrestonSands
Hiking2.20 Miles 200 AEG
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Met friends and family at Camp Geronimo (scout camp) for a fountain dedication and memorial service in memory of several scouts from our old troop who had passed away untimely in years past. Afterwards, a friend and I roamed around the camp, visiting friends, and reliving great memories from our many summers there. A beautiful service, a beautiful place, and a great time.
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 Phoenix, AZ
West Webber #228 to Geronimo #240Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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GregHembd
Hiking6.10 Miles 1,555 AEG
Hiking6.10 Miles   3 Hrs      2.03 mph
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Did this several time at Boy Scout summer camp.
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Jul 20 2008
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Geronimo Trail #240Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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joebartels
Hiking9.20 Miles 2,330 AEG
Hiking9.20 Miles   5 Hrs   30 Mns   1.67 mph
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Started off at the Geronimo Trailhead on the Highline Trail for a short distance west to Geronimo Trail #240. Took the Milk Point Ranch diversion which eases into West Webber Trail #228 two-third of the way up. Followed the road on the rim north and took Turkey Spring Trail #217 down and returned back on #240.

It was a cloudy day that started off sprinkling. Enjoyed a nice 63 degree break on the rim before heading down into the upper 70's.

TrailDEX Map is undergoing renovations... so here's the route http://hikearizona.com/location_g.php?GPS=6430
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 Mesa, AZ
Geronimo Trail #240Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Tortoise_Hiker
Hiking9.20 Miles 2,330 AEG
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We left Mesa around 5:30. I was leary of all the clouds but it turned out to be some of the best July hiking weather I've had. We hit the trail about 7:40 and finished around 1:10. This hike was very green in some areas. The climb to the rim was a good workout and the views were awesome. Thanks to Joe and Stiller for keeping me on trail. Thanks to Stiller for driving. Great weather Great hike.
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